Not sure if this helps, but I always find this a useful site - describe your font details and get recommendations: http://www.identifont.com/identify.html gord -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org I'm designing a logo, and the client likes the shape of lowercase letters in the BlackAdder font, but doesn't like the grungy edges. Anyone know a font that looks like a cleaned-up BlackAdder? joel