This is the same problem that my wife runs into. She is not a sales person, shes is a designer. She doesn't like to do it, and doesn't have the time to do it, but she has to. About your comment about freelance sales people, I can tell you right now from experience with "web designers/developers" up where I live, most of the sales people are selling designs/services/hosting and doing a crappy job of it, because they don't know what they are doing, but they get people to pay, and then when it fails after a couple of months the client is afraid to try anyone else as that person has ruined it for the true professionals. But the sales people don't feel its necessary to hook up with designers/programmers because they can get people to signup with them without having to split anything. Again I am speaking about what I have seen go on up here where I live. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of patrick Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:51 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] "The Web Design Business Kit" Diane has hit the nail squarely on the flat bulgy part that is supposed to be struck. At least for me. Seems we need to hook up with the freelance sales people and we could seriously....do stuff. patrick sanders http://www.stoutstreet.com web sites that fit Diane Soini wrote: > On Tuesday, July 20, 2004, at 04:03 AM, thelist-request at lists.evolt.org > wrote: > >> >> ------------------------------ >> Sitepoint offers "The Web Design Business Kit" by Brendon Sinclair >> (http://www.sitepoint.com/books/freelance1/) for sale. I've considered >> >> purchasing it for some time and I'm wondering if any of you out there >> have had any personal experience with it. Was it worthwhile, or not? >> ------------------------------ >> >> Personally I thought it was a complete rip-off - luckily my work paid >> for it not me! > > > I downloaded the free sample. It seems a bit simplistic. But it has some > good ideas and things to think about. It is really a business 101 book, > not really a web design business book. > > He's right that if you go into business for yourself you are in the > business of selling, not in the business of whatever it is that you are > doing (web design in this case.) What really turned me off, though, was > when I got to the chapter where he said he can't do graphics, can't > program to save his life, and doesn't do web design. Huh? Yeah, what he > is is the sales person, and the CEO. He sells the web design, runs the > business, and others do all the work. > > That's fantastic, but I don't want to do only selling, I want to be the > one who does the work. So, in a way I suppose it's valuable knowledge to > know that my business would probably not succeed for me not having the > sales/CEO orientation toward such an enterprise. > > Diane > > *** > Don't be afraid to try something new. An amateur built the ark. > Professionals built the Titanic. -unknown > -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !