hi all currently tearing my hair out trying to figure out how to get the " deltatraffic web design" at the bottom of the page of http://deltatraffic.co.uk/ to sit nicely inside that pale orange long rectangle as the text does for Home, web design services etc at the moment ive tried: padding: 21px 0 0 0; vertical-align: bottom; } but nothing - it always goes to the top. maybe theres some other code thats causing this. http://deltatraffic.co.uk/style.css for those who want to help. any ideas? thanks Alex