Okay, floating is beginning to annoy me. Well, it's not. I've almost but not quite got it. I don't want to absolutely position anything if at all possible (but I'm realistic) See http://www.breakfast2lunch.com.au/template.php The text in the lower section should be in a neat block Ie +--------------+--------------+ | |___/ | | /| | | ___/ | text here | |________/ | and here | | | | +--------------+--------------+ Any help gratefully appreciated! Rob