Sarah, What will your role be? I found it was difficult to find books and tutorials that treated asp.net, ado.net and c#/vb together. What worked for me was open a safari account with oreilly (http://safari.oreilly.com) and check out a book on ASP.NET, a book on VB and a book on ADO.NET. For good measure, I would also recommend ASP.NET - 23 Case Studies. re: presentation layer - I imagine that MS used the FrontPage html generator in the .NET engine (it would make sense wouldn't it?) the output looks on par anyways. There are some presentation layer coding practices that are a little crazy-making if you evaluate your work by web standards. Most of the tutorials will instruct you to use Visual Studio's interface for assigning css styles in asp.net syntax. This places css styles inline and is often quite redundant. You should just be aware that you can use an external stylesheet without issue and there is even an cssclass assignment for controls. You might want to study the starter kits that MS provided at http://tinyurl.com/44jdd. The portal starter kit has been extended http://www.rainbowportal.net/ Each kit has an associated white paper that is pretty good. hth -chris http://www.semioticpixels.com -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:12 AM To: thelist Subject: [thelist] skeptical about the "benefits" of .NET (Visual Studio,Visual Basic, and ASP) I'll be starting work soon on a project in ASP.NET (written in VB.NET, developed in Visual Studio .NET - because I'm collaborating with people from another company). So far in my reading on the subject, everything introductory I've read seems to be written by some marketing person who knows a bunch of buzzwords but doesn't really know anything about programming. So my questions are: Can you recommend a good tutorial for VB.NET, ASP.NET and/or Visual Studio .NET, preferably not written from an "I love Microsoft" perspective? What are the pros and cons of ASP.NET over classic ASP (in plain English)? What are the pros and cons of developing in Visual Studio, rather than using my usual (non-WYSIWYG) editor? My (so far brief) intro to Visual Studio leads me to believe that it probably outputs some really ugly HTML, as many WYSIWYG editors do - is it as bad as I think, and are there ways to avoid/minimize the ugliness? TIA! -- Sarah Sweeney :: Web Developer & Programmer Portfolio :: http://sarah.designshift.com Blog :: http://hardedge.ca -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !