You are absolutely correct. Even in the most affluent portions of the US, penetration of broad-band is still less than 20%. That means that most browsers either do so from work, where they have broad-band access, or are eternally grateful for 'svelte' websites. An example of this is the recent heavy promotion by Microsoft of the new MSN Search engine.... I looked at in once.. didn't even use it then. The genius of Google is that it does what I want, only what I want, when I want, and returns what I want. Until others get off trying to use Search to 'tie' me to their home page, they won't really substantially affect Google's market share. (And I do have really good broad-band access here in SE PA.) -- Bruce A. McIntyre ISS Group (http://www.issgroup.net) Shaping Visions into Solutions bmcintyre at issgroup.net V: 215.942.4718 F: 215.942.4962 -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of BJ Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:10 AM To: amy at rocky-hills.com; thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Percentage of users still on Dialup? (offlist) I'd be interested in hearing the answer. I will make a comment here-- sometimes stats like these are deceptive in terms of audience and demographics. For instance-- I live approximately 60 miles west of NYC and approximately 60 miles NNE of Philly. Though I get broadband the options are awful. There's oversubscribed and almost as slow as dialup cable, or there's dsl which has really bad service and uptime. Many of my friends in the semi-rural areas can only get that oversubscribed cable, and choose not to. The rural areas I'm speaking of comprise some of the wealthiest in central and northern NJ, and eastern PA. THIS is the demographic group that the products of most of my webdesign clients will appeal to. So though I do sometimes include a "broadband bells and whistles" section on some of these websites, I design the overall site for dialup, and make it clear that the "bells and whistles" section may involve a long wait for the dialup people so they're forewarned and can make choices accordingly. I don't know if this situation is the case in other suburban areas, but it might be good to keep in mind. Many folks with a few bucks choose to live in semi-rural areas near a city, and broadband may still not be as prevalent in many of those areas as you might think, though I guess once satellite hookups become more available and more dependable that will change. I'm also hearing a lot about cellphone/palmpilot/mini access, which means smallscreen and low bandwidth. I think I'm gonna keep designing my sites "svelte" regardless. Just my two cents. bj -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !