From a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov  Mon Apr 25 07:55:39 2005
From: a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov (Alan McCoy)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:55:39 -0400
Subject: [thelist] flash webcamvoice chat
In-Reply-To: <000601c54753$65b8e180$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
References: 	<7470E917C11D7241A35D9590355614710582F05A@cdfnexc7.NA.Sappi.com><426901E1.30206@mccmh.net>
	<42691B45.5010009@kasimir-k.fi>
	<000601c54753$65b8e180$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
Message-ID: <426CE8CB.3060107@larc.nasa.gov>

Jeroen Wijers wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone know or used this?
> http://avflashcom.com/avPro/

Jeroen,

Everything in that app is easily (and I mean VERY easily) built using 
the FCS components in Flash MX 2004 Pro. All you need is a web host with 
a Flash Communication Server installed or download the free developer 
version for Windows or Linux and have up to 4 or 5 (can't remember 
which) available connections.

This is how easy it is: 
<http://macromedia.com/devnet/mx/flashcom/articles/first_comm_app.html>

Hope this helps!

Alan

From info at internetvraagbaak.nl  Mon Apr 25 08:43:32 2005
From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Jeroen Wijers)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:43:32 +0200
Subject: [thelist] flash webcamvoice chat
References: 	<7470E917C11D7241A35D9590355614710582F05A@cdfnexc7.NA.Sappi.com><426901E1.30206@mccmh.net><42691B45.5010009@kasimir-k.fi><000601c54753$65b8e180$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	<426CE8CB.3060107@larc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <000c01c5499c$c58b6560$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>

Hi Alan,

Well thanks!!!
SO now i see why they can sell it that cheap ( 39 Dollars)

Jeroen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan McCoy" <a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] flash webcamvoice chat


> Jeroen Wijers wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone know or used this?
>> http://avflashcom.com/avPro/
> 
> Jeroen,
> 
> Everything in that app is easily (and I mean VERY easily) built using 
> the FCS components in Flash MX 2004 Pro. All you need is a web host with 
> a Flash Communication Server installed or download the free developer 
> version for Windows or Linux and have up to 4 or 5 (can't remember 
> which) available connections.
> 
> This is how easy it is: 
> <http://macromedia.com/devnet/mx/flashcom/articles/first_comm_app.html>
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Alan
> -- 
> 
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From Matt_Mozer at intuit.com  Mon Apr 25 09:46:46 2005
From: Matt_Mozer at intuit.com (Mozer, Matt)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:46:46 -0700
Subject: [thelist] XSLT 2.0 replace < > special characters
Message-ID: <EAC91901B2B4EB4793496F31388038AD029F201E@dalex02.plano.intuit.com>

I am trying to do a search and replace on an element with a regex. The
problem I am having is on the replace. I am looking for any http(s) strings
and needing to create an href out of it. 
This code below works for replace any http(s) with say a text result such as
"fred" or "bob" - for example. You can see what I am trying to do with it
though with the a href.



<xsl:template match="whatever">

<xsl:copy>

<xsl:value-of select='replace(.,"(https?:\/\/[^\s]*)", "<a
href=$1>$1</a>")'/>  

</xsl:copy> 

</xsl:template>

The element in this case "whatever" could have multiple http references and
are contained in a text element of arbitrary content and length. So, with
that being said, the below example is not what I'm looking for as someone
has already pointed out. I have tried something similar to no avail.

<xsl:template match="//addr">

    <xsl:element name="a">

       <xsl:attribute name="href">

          <xsl:value-of select="."/>

       </xsl:attribute>

       <xsl:value-of select="."/>

    </xsl:element>

</xsl:template>

 

I need to be able to escape the "<" & ">" characters or change my approach
entirely... I think this would prove to be a valuable tool if it were to
work.

 

-Matt

 


From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk  Mon Apr 25 10:18:36 2005
From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alexander Beston)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:18:36 +0100
Subject: [thelist] automation on members only sites
Message-ID: <426D0A4C.4070202@deltatraffic.co.uk>

Hi all

Im running a members only site with a mail facility to contact other 
members.

over the weekend some kind of automated browser has searched for 
members, send them a mail and repeated indefinately.

the pattern of accesses in the logs are too regular to be anything other 
than machine driven.

most worryingly of all, each member has a db table showing who & when a 
members details were viewed, but here nothing is recorded for any member 
shown as viewed in the logs.

are these programs readily available? how do you block them? has anyone 
any experience of this sort of thing?

thanks,
Alex




From andrew at milords.com  Mon Apr 25 10:45:31 2005
From: andrew at milords.com (A Maynes)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:45:31 +0100
Subject: [thelist] automation on members only sites
In-Reply-To: <426D0A4C.4070202@deltatraffic.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000601c549ad$d0116d20$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>

Sounds like your DB has been comprised MySQL by any chance?

Andrew


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Beston [mailto:alex at deltatraffic.co.uk] 
> Sent: 25 April 2005 16:19
> To: Evolt mailing list
> Subject: [thelist] automation on members only sites
> 
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Im running a members only site with a mail facility to contact other 
> members.
> 
> over the weekend some kind of automated browser has searched for 
> members, send them a mail and repeated indefinately.
> 
> the pattern of accesses in the logs are too regular to be 
> anything other 
> than machine driven.
> 
> most worryingly of all, each member has a db table showing 
> who & when a 
> members details were viewed, but here nothing is recorded for 
> any member 
> shown as viewed in the logs.
> 
> are these programs readily available? how do you block them? 
> has anyone 
> any experience of this sort of thing?
> 
> thanks,
> Alex
> 
> 
> 
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From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk  Mon Apr 25 11:22:36 2005
From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alexander Beston)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:22:36 +0100
Subject: [thelist] automation on members only sites
In-Reply-To: <000601c549ad$d0116d20$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>
References: <000601c549ad$d0116d20$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>
Message-ID: <426D194C.7080709@deltatraffic.co.uk>

A Maynes wrote:

>Sounds like your DB has been comprised MySQL by any chance?
>
>Andrew
>  
>
 
how would I go about check if it had or not?

I was thinking of a quick fix to spam on members sites to limit the 
daily send out to say 10 or 20.

Alex

From sales at lycosa.co.uk  Mon Apr 25 12:26:26 2005
From: sales at lycosa.co.uk (Sales)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:26:26 +0100
Subject: [thelist] site evaluation
In-Reply-To: <b98ef7231d5b8ff07b99f9d19747346c@doolang.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c549bb$e8e76d00$0201a8c0@p2>

Thanks for all your comments regarding http://www.bluelizardstudio.co.uk

It is very helpful.
Phil
www.lycosa.co.uk



From Brian at hondaswap.com  Mon Apr 25 12:40:01 2005
From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:40:01 -0400
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
Message-ID: <426D2B71.3020907@hondaswap.com>

i'm trying to write a simple query to check each and every table for a 
certain group of phone numbers from another table which lists all the 
jobs and its properties.

this is what i want to do...


select * from (select distinct job_name from jobs)
where phonenumber IN ( <<numbers here>> )

basically, i want to cycle through each job name from the Jobs table, 
and within the same database, there is a table with that Job name.

I.e. Jobs holds: Job1, Job2
and I have the following tables:
Jobs
Job1
Job2
in my main listing under the DB.


I know this syntax fails..  but is there a way to do such a thing?



I really don't want to go through and do this manually for 300 different 
job tables to see if those phone numbers are in it.


From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Apr 25 12:54:16 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:54:16 -0400
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <426D2B71.3020907@hondaswap.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1260243101.26984.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Cummiskey
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 1:40 PM

> I really don't want to go through and do this manually for 
> 300 different 
> job tables to see if those phone numbers are in it.

It may be possible to do this in a stored procedure depending on your
database.  Which database are you using?

<><><><><><><><><><>
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Phone: 706.210.0168 

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From teke at pullman.com  Mon Apr 25 12:54:44 2005
From: teke at pullman.com (teke at pullman.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:54:44 GMT
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
Message-ID: <200504251755.j3PHtD6N061429@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Union should do the trick.


> i'm trying to write a simple query to check each and every table for a 
> certain group of phone numbers from another table which lists all the 
> jobs and its properties.
> 
> this is what i want to do...
> 
> 
> select * from (select distinct job_name from jobs)
> where phonenumber IN ( <<numbers here>> )
> 
> basically, i want to cycle through each job name from the Jobs table, 
> and within the same database, there is a table with that Job name.
> 
> I.e. Jobs holds: Job1, Job2
> and I have the following tables:
> Jobs
> Job1
> Job2
> in my main listing under the DB.
> 
> 
> I know this syntax fails..  but is there a way to do such a thing?
> 
> 
> 
> I really don't want to go through and do this manually for 300 different 
> job tables to see if those phone numbers are in it.
> 
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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Mon Apr 25 13:00:00 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:00:00 -0700
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <426D2B71.3020907@hondaswap.com>
References: <426D2B71.3020907@hondaswap.com>
Message-ID: <1114452000.426d30208b7ae@webmail.comsimplicity.com>

> select * from (select distinct job_name from jobs)
> where phonenumber IN ( <<numbers here>> )

Off the top of my head (no way to test here):

SELECT * FROM WhateverTable W
INNER JOIN jobs J ON J.job_name = W.job_name
WHERE phonenumber IN ( <<numbers here>> )
-------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Ed McCarroll                                          (310) 838-4330
Ed at ComSimplicity.com                    http://www.ComSimplicity.com

From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Mon Apr 25 12:57:17 2005
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:57:17 -0500
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B0430C7FA@nemesis>

[snip]
i'm trying to write a simple query to check each and every table for a 
certain group of phone numbers from another table which lists all the 
jobs and its properties.

this is what i want to do...


select * from (select distinct job_name from jobs)
where phonenumber IN ( <<numbers here>> )

basically, i want to cycle through each job name from the Jobs table, 
and within the same database, there is a table with that Job name.

I.e. Jobs holds: Job1, Job2
and I have the following tables:
Jobs
Job1
Job2
in my main listing under the DB.
[/snip]

I am not sure that you have provided enough information here or I just
don't understand, but lets see if we can make order of it. You need to
check a large number of tables for a list of phone numbers from one
table? What is your database software and are you using PHP or ASP or
PERL or anything like that?


From warren at digital-crossroads.com  Mon Apr 25 13:53:35 2005
From: warren at digital-crossroads.com (Warren Murray)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:53:35 -0400
Subject: [thelist] MySQL to PostgreSQL Conversion
Message-ID: <426D3CAF.6090607@digital-crossroads.com>

What's wrong with this SQL Statement in the my conversion from MySQL to 
PostgreSQL?

DROP TABLE "tblattachment";
CREATE TABLE "tblattachment" (
  "A_ID" varchar(38) NOT NULL default '',
  "A_Parent" varchar(38) NOT NULL default '',
  "A_Classification" INT4 default '0',
  "A_Releasability" varchar(65) default NULL,
  "A_Type" varchar(65) default NULL,
  "A_Name" varchar(65) NOT NULL default '',
  "A_Description" varchar(255) default NULL,
  "A_Content" longblob,
  "A_Owner" varchar(38) NOT NULL default '',
  "A_DateUpdated" datetime default NULL,
  PRIMARY KEY  ("A_ID"),
  CREATE INDEX "A_Parent" ON TABLE ("A_Parent")
) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8;

It fails with this error: "ERROR:  syntax error at or near "CREATE" at 
character 509";

Thanks!

Warren

From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Apr 25 14:03:58 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:03:58 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Nova Alternative
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1260243101.26984.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

Just got a cold-call from "Federated" [0].  Any thoughts on going through
them for cc processing?  Are they on-par with Nova?

[0] http://www.federatedpayments.com/

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From Brian at hondaswap.com  Mon Apr 25 14:26:00 2005
From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:26:00 -0400
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <1114452000.426d30208b7ae@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
References: <426D2B71.3020907@hondaswap.com>
	<1114452000.426d30208b7ae@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
Message-ID: <426D4448.3050904@hondaswap.com>

Ed McCarroll wrote:
> SELECT * FROM WhateverTable W
> INNER JOIN jobs J ON J.job_name = W.job_name
> WHERE phonenumber IN ( <<numbers here>> )

That's not going to work...  I would need to be able to cycle through 
WhateverTable for the entire list of tables in the Jobs table.
I would have to go through all 300+ job tables and change WhaterTable to 
reflect that name.

Thanks for the idea though...


Joshua Olsen Wrote:
 > It may be possible to do this in a stored procedure depending on your
 > database.  Which database are you using?

Sorry, i wasn't clear.
I am using M$SQL 2000 (version 7 i think?)
i can use asp/stored proceudre/triggers if need be, but i don't need to 
export the results to anything.  Basically, i just need to get a list of 
the unique ID's from each table in the database where those numbers are 
located.  I'm just trying to run the query in Query Analyzier.

A little info about what i'm doing-  I work for a B2B call center, and 
we have had some requests to remove from our call list.  I need to find 
all instances of these numbers if they exist for other jobs, and set the 
status to 'u' for uncallable in every table.  There's a good chance that 
our lists will overlap for big jobs.


Teke at union.com Wrote:
 > Union should do the trick.

yes, it would-  but that would still require me to manually union all 
300+ tables.  Not something i'm looking forward to doing, and human 
error can exist--  theres a good chance i could miss one by accident.


Jay Blanchard Wrote:
 > I am not sure that you have provided enough information here or I just
 > don't understand, but lets see if we can make order of it. You need to
 > check a large number of tables for a list of phone numbers from one
 > table? What is your database software and are you using PHP or ASP or
 > PERL or anything like that?

No, i need to check if the phone numbers exist in MULTIPLE tables. 
Thus, i want to generate a sub-query that will populate the table names. 
  Luckily, i already have a table that holds this information--  that's 
the Jobs table, which holds the JobID, which is the name of the 300+ 
tables i need to look in.

As stated above, this is MS SQL.  don't really need a web front end.  I 
plan to run an update query once i have all the rowid's for the records 
to set the callable status to 'u' for uncallable.



Thanks for the help so far guys.  Let's see if this added info can get 
us anywhere :)



From chris at logorocks.com  Mon Apr 25 14:28:30 2005
From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:28:30 +0100
Subject: [thelist] automation on members only sites
In-Reply-To: <000601c549ad$d0116d20$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>
References: <000601c549ad$d0116d20$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>
Message-ID: <9bd1a4c561100200ef35192e2cd1867c@logorocks.com>

A Maynes wrote:

> Sounds like your DB has been comprised MySQL by any chance?

Hey, I use MySQL, in kind of a rookie way.  Something I should know?

Kind regards,
CK.


From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Apr 25 14:47:17 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:47:17 -0400
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <426D4448.3050904@hondaswap.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1260243101.26984.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Cummiskey
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:26 PM
> 

> Joshua Olsen Wrote:
>  > It may be possible to do this in a stored procedure 
> depending on your
>  > database.  Which database are you using?
> 
> Sorry, i wasn't clear.
> I am using M$SQL 2000 (version 7 i think?)

Er, MSSQL 2000 is just that... not version 7.  :-)

> Teke at union.com Wrote:
>  > Union should do the trick.
> 
> yes, it would-  but that would still require me to manually union all 
> 300+ tables.  Not something i'm looking forward to doing, and human 
> error can exist--  theres a good chance i could miss one by accident.

Here's one thought--create an SP that makes the UNION for you (compiled as a
string) based on the available information.

Then, execute that string using the EXECUTE keyword.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua L. Olson
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/
Phone: 706.210.0168 

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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Mon Apr 25 14:57:20 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:57:20 -0700
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <426D4448.3050904@hondaswap.com>
References: <426D2B71.3020907@hondaswap.com>
	<1114452000.426d30208b7ae@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	<426D4448.3050904@hondaswap.com>
Message-ID: <1114459040.426d4ba04e723@webmail.comsimplicity.com>

Perhaps you should show us more detail about your schema.  Why do
you have 300 tables that require the same processing?  Maybe you need
to set up a procedure that uses a cursor to cycle through your
tables.
SQL Server has system-defined views that should allow you to do this.
-------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Ed McCarroll                                          (310) 838-4330
Ed at ComSimplicity.com                    http://www.ComSimplicity.com

From peter at easylistbox.com  Mon Apr 25 15:01:59 2005
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:01:59 -0700
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
Message-ID: <1e7917bdb4bc4263a2ab96e5c2d88074@easylistbox.com>


???Well, my first reaction would be "why the heck did they design the database this way", but since I doubt you have any control over that, let's press on.? Can we assume that the structure (or at least the names of the fields) are the same in all these subordinate tables?? If so, I recommend?the following:

1)? First do a select query from systables.? Get all tables with names like 'Job%'.

2)? Cycle through this recordset and create a string that contains the update query for that table.

3)? Use sp_executesql (in a stored proc; otherwise just send the string) to execute the query.

???SQL Books Online can tell you how to do this in TSQL; otherwise, you can just slap together a script or assembly in whatever language/environment you choose.

> I plan to run an update query once i have all the rowid's 
> for the records to set the callable status to 'u' for uncallable.

???Wait... how are you going to identify which row ID is in which table?? Do you want to have to find them all over again?? If you need to report the records changed, you'll need to insert the values into a temp table (if you go the stored proc route) or bring them back in an array or hashtable for display on the client (if you go that way).

???Did that 5000-foot analysis?make any sense?

 From: Brian Cummiskey Brian at hondaswap.com

Ed McCarroll wrote:
> SELECT * FROM WhateverTable W
> INNER JOIN jobs J ON J.job_name = W.job_name
> WHERE phonenumber IN ( <> )

That's not going to work... I would need to be able to cycle through 
WhateverTable for the entire list of tables in the Jobs table.
I would have to go through all 300+ job tables and change WhaterTable to 
reflect that name.

Thanks for the idea though...

Joshua Olsen Wrote:
> It may be possible to do this in a stored procedure depending on your
> database. Which database are you using?

Sorry, i wasn't clear.
I am using M$SQL 2000 (version 7 i think?)
i can use asp/stored proceudre/triggers if need be, but i don't need to 
export the results to anything. Basically, i just need to get a list of 
the unique ID's from each table in the database where those numbers are 
located. I'm just trying to run the query in Query Analyzier.

A little info about what i'm doing- I work for a B2B call center, and 
we have had some requests to remove from our call list. I need to find 
all instances of these numbers if they exist for other jobs, and set the 
status to 'u' for uncallable in every table. There's a good chance that 
our lists will overlap for big jobs.

Teke at union.com Wrote:
> Union should do the trick.

yes, it would- but that would still require me to manually union all 
300+ tables. Not something i'm looking forward to doing, and human 
error can exist-- theres a good chance i could miss one by accident.

Jay Blanchard Wrote:
> I am not sure that you have provided enough information here or I just
> don't understand, but lets see if we can make order of it. You need to
> check a large number of tables for a list of phone numbers from one
> table? What is your database software and are you using PHP or ASP or
> PERL or anything like that?

No, i need to check if the phone numbers exist in MULTIPLE tables. 
Thus, i want to generate a sub-query that will populate the table names. 
Luckily, i already have a table that holds this information-- that's 
the Jobs table, which holds the JobID, which is the name of the 300+ 
tables i need to look in.

As stated above, this is MS SQL. don't really need a web front end. I 
plan to run an update query once i have all the rowid's for the records 
to set the callable status to 'u' for uncallable.

Thanks for the help so far guys. Let's see if this added info can get 
us anywhere :)

From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 25 15:56:05 2005
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:56:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [thelist] DOM - adding a function to a dynamically added element...
Message-ID: <20050425205605.59413.qmail@web51402.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there, I'm rusty and have forgotten the best way to do this.

I'm adding a link inside a DIV dynamically on my page using the DOM. This link needs to have a
function tied to the onclick event handler. If I remember correctly, you cannot do this using
.setAttribute -  because IE doesn't like it (based on my tests, that is what is happening)

I had thought then you added it using the property of the object:

myLink.onclick = functionName; ( with or without the brackets?)

But this doesn't seem to work. My problem is compounded by the fact that I want the link to return
false: The link should be this:

<a href="" onclick="toggleHelp();return false">Page Help</a>

Do I have to write this as an anonymous(?) function like:

myLink.onclick = function { statements here }

I'm rusty on this stuff it has been awhile, I can't remember the correct way. I also don't see a
way to add the return false, or maybe 'return toggleHelp()' then return false in the
function...still how would I add the return? I need to call this function from this link...

Thanks

Tom


http://www.pixelmech.com/

Melissa: Ace, Where are you?
Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor.


From Brian at hondaswap.com  Mon Apr 25 15:57:04 2005
From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:57:04 -0400
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <1e7917bdb4bc4263a2ab96e5c2d88074@easylistbox.com>
References: <1e7917bdb4bc4263a2ab96e5c2d88074@easylistbox.com>
Message-ID: <426D59A0.3060203@hondaswap.com>

Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote:
>    Well, my first reaction would be "why the heck did they design the database this way", but since I doubt you have any control over that, let's press on.  

It actually makes perfect sense.  Each Job is from a different client, 
upon which we are calling on THEIR lists for them.

Perhaps I need some sample data to get this together a little better.  I 
don't think anyone is really grasping what i'm dealing with.


So, We have for example 2 clients.
companyA and companyB each with 2 current jobs.

each table has a unique ID to THAT table, as well as a jobid field, 
which is the same as the table name (for all purposes here.. its a 
little different, but thats not an issue i can't handel)

There is also a Master table, called Jobs
which has the Jobid (which is called companyA_1) and holds other 
useless-to-this-post stuff like description, running dates, etc..

basically, i need to select all job ids from jobs.

this will give me

companyA_1
companyA_2
companyB_1
companyA_2


and from those tables, i need to generate the:

select rowID, jobname from <<each of the above table names>>
where phonenumber in ( <<the number list>> )

this will hopefully give me

row	jobname
12345	companyA_1
22345	companyA_2
32345	companyb_1
42345	companyB_2

if there were 4 rows among those tables with the phone numbers i plug in.


Is this making more sense now?

which is why i want to dynmically geenerate my table name that i select 
from.

I thought about doing it in a scripting language... something like

select distinct Jobid from jobs
while NOT rst.eof
	select rowID, jobname from & Jobid & ....
wend

or something like that.  but, i don't need an interface.  i just need to 
run this in query analyizer.



  > Can we assume that the structure (or at least the names of the 
fields) are the same in all these subordinate tables?

No, not all the same...  but the fields i need/care about ARE.

> If so, I recommend the following:
> 
> 1)  First do a select query from systables.  Get all tables with names like 'Job%'.

Well, that's not going to work.  :P  I was using job as an example, but 
they are all different names.  there's no real structure to them other 
than they are less than 8 chars.


> 2)  Cycle through this recordset and create a string that contains the update query for that table.
> 
> 3)  Use sp_executesql (in a stored proc; otherwise just send the string) to execute the query.
> 
>    SQL Books Online can tell you how to do this in TSQL; otherwise, you can just slap together a script or assembly in whatever language/environment you choose.

yeah, so i don't think this is going to work...


>>I plan to run an update query once i have all the rowid's 
>>for the records to set the callable status to 'u' for uncallable.
> 
> 
>    Wait... how are you going to identify which row ID is in which table?  

the unique id is "smart"
it is setup like COUNTJOBID
so each id i pull can be associated with its proper table.

I'm not expecting many results... 10 tops...  so if i have to update 
manually, it won't be a big deal.   It's just a matter of finding them 
without spending hours trying hunt them down.


>    Did that 5000-foot analysis make any sense?

heh, yes, i followed you- but i don't think its the solution thats going 
to make it work....

thanks though.


From pouncy_1 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 25 17:23:03 2005
From: pouncy_1 at hotmail.com (pouncyisdead)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:23:03 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV7FF5C23457D75D058FC68BF200@phx.gbl>

I know that this is a commonly asked question, but, do any of you have a
recommendation for a low-cost, xhtml-valid, content management system? My
small company is looking for a CMS that includes support for versioning, and
syndication.

About us: we are a sports information group with 4 medium sites running on a
single windows 2003 server. We've looked into Vignette, Cm3, Documentum and
Acuity, but were unhappy with the total costs. Sadly, must of the free
offerings (DotNetNuke, Rainbow) didn't seem robust enough for the constant
updates and reports that we do each day.

Mike Pouncy [Technical Supervisor] 
[WEB]-[http://fpbe.com] [MSN]-[pouncy_1 at hotmail.com]

From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Apr 25 17:43:39 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:43:39 -0400
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <426D59A0.3060203@hondaswap.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1260243101.26984.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Cummiskey
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:57 PM

> Perhaps I need some sample data to get this together a little 
> better.  I don't think anyone is really grasping what i'm 
> dealing with.

If that ain't a conversation ender, I'm not sure what is.  :-)

Regardless, you'll still want a UNION, and you may want to look at creating
the SQL for the UNION dynamically within a stored procedure, just as myself
and Peter (except he accidentally used the word UPDATE instead of UNION)
have suggested.

Assuming you are describing your problem correctly, this will work, and may
be the single easiest way to accomplish this task.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua L. Olson
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/
Phone: 706.210.0168 

Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time:
http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/



From dudrenov at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 17:50:20 2005
From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:50:20 -0700
Subject: [thelist] DOM - adding a function to a dynamically added
	element...
In-Reply-To: <20050425205605.59413.qmail@web51402.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050425205605.59413.qmail@web51402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <10c3e4e005042515504cba6aaf@mail.gmail.com>

Dude there are a few things you can do. But the main to are:

First don't use setAttribute cuz' that wont work on IE.

myEl.onclick = functionName  "NOTE you have to put the function name
as a variable without the (); or else the function will get executed
right there on the spot when the browser parses the code - so no () "

but if you do need to pass something to your function you would have
to use anon function like you suggested myEl.onclick = function ()
{functionName(this);} or you can use addEventListener/attachEvent

Hope this helps,
Pavel Dudrenov


On 4/25/05, Tom Dell'Aringa <pixelmech at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi there, I'm rusty and have forgotten the best way to do this.
> 
> I'm adding a link inside a DIV dynamically on my page using the DOM. This link needs to have a
> function tied to the onclick event handler. If I remember correctly, you cannot do this using
> .setAttribute -  because IE doesn't like it (based on my tests, that is what is happening)
> 
> I had thought then you added it using the property of the object:
> 
> myLink.onclick = functionName; ( with or without the brackets?)
> 
> But this doesn't seem to work. My problem is compounded by the fact that I want the link to return
> false: The link should be this:
> 
> <a href="" onclick="toggleHelp();return false">Page Help</a>
> 
> Do I have to write this as an anonymous(?) function like:
> 
> myLink.onclick = function { statements here }
> 
> I'm rusty on this stuff it has been awhile, I can't remember the correct way. I also don't see a
> way to add the return false, or maybe 'return toggleHelp()' then return false in the
> function...still how would I add the return? I need to call this function from this link...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tom
> 
> http://www.pixelmech.com/
> 
> Melissa: Ace, Where are you?
> Ace Ventura: I'm in Psychoville and Finkle's the Mayor.
> 
> --
> 
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From discuss at alphanumeric.cz  Mon Apr 25 18:01:59 2005
From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:01:59 +0200
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV7FF5C23457D75D058FC68BF200@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-DAV7FF5C23457D75D058FC68BF200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <426D76E7.9030004@alphanumeric.cz>

> I know that this is a commonly asked question, but, do any of you have a
> recommendation for a low-cost, xhtml-valid, content management system? My
> small company is looking for a CMS that includes support for versioning, and
> syndication.

Switch to PHP. Solutions like Drupal.org are robust enough and still 
extensible to provide this functionality (even custom written).

-- 
Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

From judah at wiredotter.com  Mon Apr 25 17:58:29 2005
From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:58:29 -0700
Subject: [thelist] MySQL to PostgreSQL Conversion
In-Reply-To: <426D3CAF.6090607@digital-crossroads.com>
References: <426D3CAF.6090607@digital-crossroads.com>
Message-ID: <426D7615.1060000@wiredotter.com>

My first guess would be the bit that says "ENGINE=InnoDB". InnoDB is an 
sql engine specific to MySql. As far as I know Postgres doesn't have 
InnoDB as an engine option. So try removing that bit and see what 
Postgres has to say.

Judah

Warren Murray wrote:
> What's wrong with this SQL Statement in the my conversion from MySQL to 
> PostgreSQL?
> 
> DROP TABLE "tblattachment";
> CREATE TABLE "tblattachment" (
>  "A_ID" varchar(38) NOT NULL default '',
>  "A_Parent" varchar(38) NOT NULL default '',
>  "A_Classification" INT4 default '0',
>  "A_Releasability" varchar(65) default NULL,
>  "A_Type" varchar(65) default NULL,
>  "A_Name" varchar(65) NOT NULL default '',
>  "A_Description" varchar(255) default NULL,
>  "A_Content" longblob,
>  "A_Owner" varchar(38) NOT NULL default '',
>  "A_DateUpdated" datetime default NULL,
>  PRIMARY KEY  ("A_ID"),
>  CREATE INDEX "A_Parent" ON TABLE ("A_Parent")
> ) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8;
> 
> It fails with this error: "ERROR:  syntax error at or near "CREATE" at 
> character 509";
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Warren


From meganwh at wi.rr.com  Mon Apr 25 20:22:50 2005
From: meganwh at wi.rr.com (Megan Holbrook)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:22:50 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV7FF5C23457D75D058FC68BF200@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-DAV7FF5C23457D75D058FC68BF200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <426D97EA.1030204@wi.rr.com>

I'm not sure what your price point is for low cost, but I really like 
the one that Estco.net has (Medigent CMS) at around $25k. They also do 
custom programming for any special modules necessary. We did the RIF.org 
site with them, and really like their work. Contact John Estafanous if 
you have any questions, at jesto at estco.net

HTH,

M.

pouncyisdead wrote:
> I know that this is a commonly asked question, but, do any of you have a
> recommendation for a low-cost, xhtml-valid, content management system? My
> small company is looking for a CMS that includes support for versioning, and
> syndication.
> 
> About us: we are a sports information group with 4 medium sites running on a
> single windows 2003 server. We've looked into Vignette, Cm3, Documentum and
> Acuity, but were unhappy with the total costs. Sadly, must of the free
> offerings (DotNetNuke, Rainbow) didn't seem robust enough for the constant
> updates and reports that we do each day.
> 
> Mike Pouncy [Technical Supervisor] 
> [WEB]-[http://fpbe.com] [MSN]-[pouncy_1 at hotmail.com]

-- 
Megan Holbrook - megan at kapow.com
Partner - Business Development
kapow, inc. (www.kapow.com) - website design and development

kapow, inc. Milwaukee               kapow, inc. Los Angeles
2405 E. Wyoming Place               1301 Montana Ave., Suite A
Milwaukee, WI 53202                 Santa Monica, CA  90403
T: 414-273-2446 * F: 419-278-9056   T: 310.394.5276 * F: 310.394.5278
	


From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Mon Apr 25 18:25:58 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:25:58 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV7FF5C23457D75D058FC68BF200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050425223734.1872C5187AA@mx1.nexiderm.com>

Look at:

http://www.ez.no/
http://www.plainblack.com/
http://www.drupal.com/
http://www.plone.org/
http://www.mambo.org/
http://www.magnolia.info/
http://www.opencms.org/
http://www.openacs.org/ 
http://www.typo3.org/
And bricolage...

Then read this:
http://www.cmswatch.com/Features/OpinionWatch/FeaturedOpinion/?feature_id=89

And then review this page:
http://www.cmswatch.com/ContentManagement/Products/

Bottom line... Lot out there, not much is very good.  The above is listed in
order of my personal (biased) reccomendation.  However, I run an eZ Publish
company, so please take it's top rating for a grain of salt: like I said,
I'm biased. ;-)

You might look for some 15-40k solutions in the above CMS Watch link.
Ektron, Roxen, Refresh, Sitecore, and a host of others not mentioned fill
this space.  I'm also somewhat fond of a product called hotbanana
(http://www.hotbanana.com/), which has excellent UI and helpful staff, and
rests squarely in the bottom of the price range mentioned.

So far, everything you looked at is going to be 60k+, or much more... I
would stop looking at the top end of the market for solutions, as they're
generally (IMHO) overpriced.

Good hunting,

Jonathan Dillon-Hayes
---
Email: jonathan at boehm-ritter.com
http://www.Boehm-Ritter.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of pouncyisdead
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:23 PM
To: 'Evolt List'
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions

I know that this is a commonly asked question, but, do any of you have a
recommendation for a low-cost, xhtml-valid, content management system? My
small company is looking for a CMS that includes support for versioning, and
syndication.

About us: we are a sports information group with 4 medium sites running on a
single windows 2003 server. We've looked into Vignette, Cm3, Documentum and
Acuity, but were unhappy with the total costs. Sadly, must of the free
offerings (DotNetNuke, Rainbow) didn't seem robust enough for the constant
updates and reports that we do each day.

Mike Pouncy [Technical Supervisor]
[WEB]-[http://fpbe.com] [MSN]-[pouncy_1 at hotmail.com]
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From meganwh at wi.rr.com  Mon Apr 25 20:30:57 2005
From: meganwh at wi.rr.com (Megan Holbrook)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:30:57 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV7FF5C23457D75D058FC68BF200@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-DAV7FF5C23457D75D058FC68BF200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <426D99D1.3070704@wi.rr.com>

BTW - if you are looking farther (further?) afield into open source, we 
did quite a bit of research and chose Zope/Plone for two sites, and are 
just about to embark on using Mambo for another two. Lot of relative 
advantages and disadvantages to each open source CMS so it's key to 
choose the right one for your project (you can start at www.cmswatch.com 
or www.cmsmatrix.org for comparisons), but hey, it's hard to beat the 
price...

;) M.

pouncyisdead wrote:

> I know that this is a commonly asked question, but, do any of you have a
> recommendation for a low-cost, xhtml-valid, content management system? My
> small company is looking for a CMS that includes support for versioning, and
> syndication.
> 
> About us: we are a sports information group with 4 medium sites running on a
> single windows 2003 server. We've looked into Vignette, Cm3, Documentum and
> Acuity, but were unhappy with the total costs. Sadly, must of the free
> offerings (DotNetNuke, Rainbow) didn't seem robust enough for the constant
> updates and reports that we do each day.
> 
> Mike Pouncy [Technical Supervisor] 
> [WEB]-[http://fpbe.com] [MSN]-[pouncy_1 at hotmail.com]

-- 
Megan Holbrook - megan at kapow.com
Partner - Business Development
kapow, inc. (www.kapow.com) - website design and development

kapow, inc. Milwaukee               kapow, inc. Los Angeles
2405 E. Wyoming Place               1301 Montana Ave., Suite A
Milwaukee, WI 53202                 Santa Monica, CA  90403
T: 414-273-2446 * F: 419-278-9056   T: 310.394.5276 * F: 310.394.5278
	


From philip at turmel.org  Mon Apr 25 18:33:11 2005
From: philip at turmel.org (Phil Turmel)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:33:11 -0400
Subject: [thelist] DOM - adding a function to a dynamically added
	element...
In-Reply-To: <20050425205605.59413.qmail@web51402.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050425205605.59413.qmail@web51402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <426D7E37.1080603@turmel.org>

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> Hi there, I'm rusty and have forgotten the best way to do this.
> 
> I'm adding a link inside a DIV dynamically on my page using the DOM. This link needs to have a
> function tied to the onclick event handler. If I remember correctly, you cannot do this using
> .setAttribute -  because IE doesn't like it (based on my tests, that is what is happening)
> 
> I had thought then you added it using the property of the object:
> 
> myLink.onclick = functionName; ( with or without the brackets?)
> 
> But this doesn't seem to work. My problem is compounded by the fact that I want the link to return
> false: The link should be this:
> 
> <a href="" onclick="toggleHelp();return false">Page Help</a>
> 
> Do I have to write this as an anonymous(?) function like:
> 
> myLink.onclick = function { statements here }
> 
> I'm rusty on this stuff it has been awhile, I can't remember the correct way. I also don't see a
> way to add the return false, or maybe 'return toggleHelp()' then return false in the
> function...still how would I add the return? I need to call this function from this link...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tom

Pretty close...  the function's return value takes care of your problem. 
  Try one of these:

myLink.onclick = function (e) { statement; statement; return false; };

OR,

function functionName (e) {
	statement;
	statement;
	return false;
}
myLink.onclick = functionName;


Note the (e) in the function definitions... that gives you access to the 
event properties during the event.

For a thorough treatment:
http://www.quirksmode.org/js/introevents.html

HTH,

Phil

From rob at stewart-douglas.com  Mon Apr 25 19:52:00 2005
From: rob at stewart-douglas.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:52:00 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Quick XHTML job
Message-ID: <994170B8F725D3458C2D12B8E849F23F0202DD@psycho.sfbats.com>

I have a small XHTML job that requires a quick turn around for anyone
who might be interested. Please contact off list of course.

 

Robert Stewart

 


From warren at digital-crossroads.com  Mon Apr 25 21:12:30 2005
From: warren at digital-crossroads.com (Warren)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:12:30 -0400
Subject: [thelist] MySQL to PostgreSQL Conversion
In-Reply-To: <426D7615.1060000@wiredotter.com>
References: <426D3CAF.6090607@digital-crossroads.com>
	<426D7615.1060000@wiredotter.com>
Message-ID: <426DA38E.8000704@digital-crossroads.com>

I did some moving around and removed InnoDB and finally got the thing to 
work.  I have about 47 tables to convert. Thanks!

Judah McAuley wrote:

> My first guess would be the bit that says "ENGINE=InnoDB". InnoDB is 
> an sql engine specific to MySql. As far as I know Postgres doesn't 
> have InnoDB as an engine option. So try removing that bit and see what 
> Postgres has to say.
>
> Judah
>
> Warren Murray wrote:
>
>> What's wrong with this SQL Statement in the my conversion from MySQL 
>> to PostgreSQL?
>>
>> DROP TABLE "tblattachment";
>> CREATE TABLE "tblattachment" (
>>  "A_ID" varchar(38) NOT NULL default '',
>>  "A_Parent" varchar(38) NOT NULL default '',
>>  "A_Classification" INT4 default '0',
>>  "A_Releasability" varchar(65) default NULL,
>>  "A_Type" varchar(65) default NULL,
>>  "A_Name" varchar(65) NOT NULL default '',
>>  "A_Description" varchar(255) default NULL,
>>  "A_Content" longblob,
>>  "A_Owner" varchar(38) NOT NULL default '',
>>  "A_DateUpdated" datetime default NULL,
>>  PRIMARY KEY  ("A_ID"),
>>  CREATE INDEX "A_Parent" ON TABLE ("A_Parent")
>> ) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8;
>>
>> It fails with this error: "ERROR:  syntax error at or near "CREATE" 
>> at character 509";
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Warren
>
>



From peter at easylistbox.com  Mon Apr 25 21:20:34 2005
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:20:34 -0500
Subject: SPAM-HIGH:  RE: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
Message-ID: <001e01c54a06$8757e1f0$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse>


	Er... Actually, I *did* mean update.  I was proposing an
approach whereby he would build an update query (in a loop, on the fly)
for each table, rather than making a giant 15,000-character union query
that merely selects the values and still requires someone to manually
update the tables in question.

	And just for the record -- although perhaps, as Brian suggested,
I just don't get it -- this database design still doesn't seem like the
best approach.  I'm waiting for Ken Schaefer to either back me up or
slam dunk me here, since I'm sure he's just about past his morning
emails by now :)

Cheers,

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org On Behalf Of Joshua Olson

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Cummiskey
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:57 PM

> Perhaps I need some sample data to get this together a little
> better.  I don't think anyone is really grasping what i'm 
> dealing with.

If that ain't a conversation ender, I'm not sure what is.  :-)

Regardless, you'll still want a UNION, and you may want to look at
creating the SQL for the UNION dynamically within a stored procedure,
just as myself and Peter (except he accidentally used the word UPDATE
instead of UNION) have suggested.

Assuming you are describing your problem correctly, this will work, and
may be the single easiest way to accomplish this task.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua L. Olson
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/
Phone: 706.210.0168 

Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time:
http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/




From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Mon Apr 25 21:24:40 2005
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:24:40 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <426D76E7.9030004@alphanumeric.cz>
Message-ID: <BOEHIIJIGHBKGMJFJFBCCEBCCBAB.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

Jan,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Jan Brasna
>
> Switch to PHP. [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

Nonsense.  There's absolutely *no* need to switch development languages.
Solutions in all sorts of price ranges, qualities, and capabilities are
available in any of the major development languages (PHP, ASP, CF, Perl,
etc.).

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> Solutions like Drupal.org are robust enough and still
> extensible to provide this functionality [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

Mike,

Extensibility brings with it performance losses, customization issues,
learning curve, stability, scalability, increased troubleshooting cost, and
bugs.  Further, no one product out there can solve all your needs without
some custom development (which the product you choose may or may not be able
to ever do anyway).  Depending on your budget, it *might* be more cost
effective to outsource the development to a company that can build a custom
solution for you.  If your needs are fairly lightweight, it's likely that
the project cost will be less than using a product and/or overall cost of an
OSS solution.  Remember, just because the software itself doesn't cost you
anything doesn't mean it'll have a lower total cost of ownership.

Jeff
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
R?sum? - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Mon Apr 25 21:24:32 2005
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:24:32 -0700
Subject: [thelist] DOM - adding a function to a dynamically
	addedelement...
In-Reply-To: <10c3e4e005042515504cba6aaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BOEHIIJIGHBKGMJFJFBCOEBBCBAB.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

Pavel,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Pavel Dudrenov
>
> First don't use setAttribute cuz' that wont work on IE.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

This simply isn't true.  setAttribute() works just fine in IE6+.

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> [...] or you can use addEventListener/attachEvent
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

The use of addEventListener/attachEvent have the same limitations as
assigning a function to an even handler in the fashion of "object.eventname
= myFunction;".  However, more importantly, you immediately run into browser
compatibility issues requiring method support branching in your code.  I
would personally recommend that you avoid these techniques unless you
specifically need the ability to add scripting to an event handler an
unknown number of times and/or an unknown number of sources.

Jeff
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
R?sum? - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From mwarden at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 21:43:45 2005
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:43:45 -0400
Subject: [thelist] DOM - adding a function to a dynamically
	addedelement...
In-Reply-To: <BOEHIIJIGHBKGMJFJFBCOEBBCBAB.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
References: <10c3e4e005042515504cba6aaf@mail.gmail.com>
	 <BOEHIIJIGHBKGMJFJFBCOEBBCBAB.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <bbc8fa4305042519435e56374b@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/25/05, Jeff Howden <jeff at jeffhowden.com> wrote:
> Pavel,
> 
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> > From: Pavel Dudrenov
> >
> > First don't use setAttribute cuz' that wont work on IE.
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> 
> This simply isn't true.  setAttribute() works just fine in IE6+.

Are you certain? From my testing, if one tries to set attributes like
'style' using setAttribute rather than the property method, it fails
in IE6 (and lower, of course).

In fact, here's a page on PPK's site that seems to indicate this as well:
http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/w3c_core.html (Ctrl+F setAttribute)
There is a test page where you can verify for yourself.

Thanks,

-- 
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com


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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Mon Apr 25 23:07:04 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:07:04 -0700
Subject: SPAM-HIGH:  RE: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <001e01c54a06$8757e1f0$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse>
Message-ID: <001501c54a15$67f2a110$77fa7e18@ed>

> And just for the record [...] this database design still doesn't seem
> like the best approach.

+1

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From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Mon Apr 25 23:35:24 2005
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:35:24 -0700
Subject: [thelist] DOM - adding a function to a dynamically
	addedelement...
In-Reply-To: <bbc8fa4305042519435e56374b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BOEHIIJIGHBKGMJFJFBCGEDMCBAB.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

Matt,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Matt Warden [mailto:mwarden at gmail.com]
>
> > This simply isn't true.  setAttribute() works just
> > fine in IE6+.
>
> Are you certain? From my testing, if one tries to set
> attributes like 'style' using setAttribute rather than
> the property method, it fails in IE6 (and lower, of
> course).
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

Ok, true enough.  It does not work properly with complex attributes like
"style" which is more of an object (internally) and less of an attribute and
event handlers which I suppose the pedants (myself included) would argue
aren't really attributes, but something else altogether.

Everything else does work fine from my experience.

Jeff
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
R?sum? - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Tue Apr 26 01:57:37 2005
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:57:37 +1000
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B9F3@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey
: Subject: Re: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
: 
: Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote:
: >    Well, my first reaction would be "why the heck did they design the
: database this way", but since I doubt you have any control over that,
: let's press on.
: 
: It actually makes perfect sense.  Each Job is from a different client,
: upon which we are calling on THEIR lists for them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Actually, from where I'm sitting and reading this thread, it doesn't make
sense at all.

My suspicion is reinforced by the fact that you're having a little difficulty
coming up with an SQL query that produces the results you want. Generally, a
properly normalised database design gives you queries that are easy to write.

Since you are using MS SQL Server 7, can you give us a bunch of CREATE TABLE
scripts? (or alternatively describe your design in ER terms, since your
current description below doesn't really make much sense).

Cheers
Ken

--
www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/

 
: Perhaps I need some sample data to get this together a little better.  I
: don't think anyone is really grasping what i'm dealing with.
: 
: 
: So, We have for example 2 clients.
: companyA and companyB each with 2 current jobs.
: 
: each table has a unique ID to THAT table, as well as a jobid field,
: which is the same as the table name (for all purposes here.. its a
: little different, but thats not an issue i can't handel)
: 
: There is also a Master table, called Jobs
: which has the Jobid (which is called companyA_1) and holds other
: useless-to-this-post stuff like description, running dates, etc..
: 
: basically, i need to select all job ids from jobs.
: 
: this will give me
: 
: companyA_1
: companyA_2
: companyB_1
: companyA_2
: 
: 
: and from those tables, i need to generate the:
: 
: select rowID, jobname from <<each of the above table names>>
: where phonenumber in ( <<the number list>> )
: 
: this will hopefully give me
: 
: row	jobname
: 12345	companyA_1
: 22345	companyA_2
: 32345	companyb_1
: 42345	companyB_2
: 
: if there were 4 rows among those tables with the phone numbers i plug in.
: 
: 
: Is this making more sense now?
: 
: which is why i want to dynmically geenerate my table name that i select
: from.
: 
: I thought about doing it in a scripting language... something like


From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Tue Apr 26 01:59:09 2005
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:59:09 +1000
Subject: SPAM-HIGH:  RE: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B9F4@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

I agree entirely with Peter :-)

Either I "don't get it", or the database design isn't particularly conducive
to getting data back out (which generally means it's not normalised, which
generally means bad design).

Cheers
Ken

--
www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/ 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)
: Subject: RE: SPAM-HIGH: RE: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
: 
: 
: 	Er... Actually, I *did* mean update.  I was proposing an
: approach whereby he would build an update query (in a loop, on the fly)
: for each table, rather than making a giant 15,000-character union query
: that merely selects the values and still requires someone to manually
: update the tables in question.
: 
: 	And just for the record -- although perhaps, as Brian suggested,
: I just don't get it -- this database design still doesn't seem like the
: best approach.  I'm waiting for Ken Schaefer to either back me up or
: slam dunk me here, since I'm sure he's just about past his morning
: emails by now :)
: 
: Cheers,
: 
: Peter
: 
: -----Original Message-----
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org On Behalf Of Joshua Olson
: 
: > -----Original Message-----
: > From: Brian Cummiskey
: > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:57 PM
: 
: > Perhaps I need some sample data to get this together a little
: > better.  I don't think anyone is really grasping what i'm
: > dealing with.
: 
: If that ain't a conversation ender, I'm not sure what is.  :-)
: 
: Regardless, you'll still want a UNION, and you may want to look at
: creating the SQL for the UNION dynamically within a stored procedure,
: just as myself and Peter (except he accidentally used the word UPDATE
: instead of UNION) have suggested.
: 
: Assuming you are describing your problem correctly, this will work, and
: may be the single easiest way to accomplish this task.
: 
: <><><><><><><><><><>
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From dudrenov at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 02:26:55 2005
From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:26:55 -0700
Subject: [thelist] DOM - adding a function to a dynamically
	addedelement...
In-Reply-To: <BOEHIIJIGHBKGMJFJFBCGEDMCBAB.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
References: <bbc8fa4305042519435e56374b@mail.gmail.com>
	 <BOEHIIJIGHBKGMJFJFBCGEDMCBAB.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <10c3e4e005042600262aa15d42@mail.gmail.com>

Jeff,

setAttribute() does work for some stuff on IE but you try  to add
onclick, stlye among other things with setAttibute you will fail in
IE. ALso what's wrong with using addEventListener/attachEvent If he
need to get to this ( by this I mean the object that's been clicked
on) he can easily access it from srcElement/target

Pavel
On 4/25/05, Jeff Howden <jeff at jeffhowden.com> wrote:
> Matt,
> 
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> > From: Matt Warden [mailto:mwarden at gmail.com]
> >
> > > This simply isn't true.  setAttribute() works just
> > > fine in IE6+.
> >
> > Are you certain? From my testing, if one tries to set
> > attributes like 'style' using setAttribute rather than
> > the property method, it fails in IE6 (and lower, of
> > course).
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> 
> Ok, true enough.  It does not work properly with complex attributes like
> "style" which is more of an object (internally) and less of an attribute and
> event handlers which I suppose the pedants (myself included) would argue
> aren't really attributes, but something else altogether.
> 
> Everything else does work fine from my experience.
> 
> Jeff
> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
> R?sum? - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
> Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/
> 
> --
> 
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From joshua at waetech.com  Tue Apr 26 02:47:52 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 03:47:52 -0400
Subject: SPAM-HIGH:  RE: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <001e01c54a06$8757e1f0$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse>
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1260243102.26984.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter  Brunone (EasyListBox.com)
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:21 PM
> 
> 
> 	Er... Actually, I *did* mean update.  I was proposing an
> approach whereby he would build an update query (in a loop, 
> on the fly)
> for each table, rather than making a giant 15,000-character 
> union query
> that merely selects the values and still requires someone to manually
> update the tables in question.

My apologies!  His original post was about selecting records, and knowing
that the answer would almost definitely include a UNION given the table
structure (horrifying as it may be, it's what he's got!), I made a faulty
presumption.  In your answer, switching that one word from UPDATE to UNION
still made perfect sense, so I figured I was onto something... oh well.  

:-)

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua L. Olson
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Phone: 706.210.0168 

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From albert.shala at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 03:10:47 2005
From: albert.shala at gmail.com (Albert Shala)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:10:47 +0200
Subject: [thelist] PHP Drop down lists
Message-ID: <99a55a540504260110ab2d54d@mail.gmail.com>

I need help with this urgently:
 I want to create a drop-down list, kind that you have when you register for 
say gmail or hotmail, where you select a country from a list. I want to 
populate this list, manually, since it will only use those values, and none 
other, and i want the user to be able to select a name from the list, and 
it's value to be send to the database, so that when i look at the request 
this user has put in, i should be able to see the correct select he/she had 
selected.... i hope i'm clear ?!?!

From lists at laughing-buddha.net  Tue Apr 26 04:02:03 2005
From: lists at laughing-buddha.net (Jon Haworth)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:02:03 +0100
Subject: [thelist] PHP Drop down lists
In-Reply-To: <99a55a540504260110ab2d54d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200504260902.j3Q922IJ027594@smtp3.swiftinter.net>

Hi Albert, 

> I want to create a drop-down list, where you select a country 
> from a list. I want to populate this list, manually

ISO country codes:
http://userpage.chemie.fu-berlin.de/diverse/doc/ISO_3166.html

Should take all of 2 mins to turn that list into a <select>.

> and i want the user to be able to select a name from the list, 
> and it's value to be send to the database, so that when i look 
> at the request this user has put in, i should be able to see the 
> correct select he/she had selected.... 

Your form should submit to a script which handles this. 

Have a read of this (it assumes you're using MySQL):
http://www.zend.com/php/beginners/php101-8.php#Heading7

Cheers
Jon


From discuss at alphanumeric.cz  Tue Apr 26 05:12:53 2005
From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:12:53 +0200
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <BOEHIIJIGHBKGMJFJFBCCEBCCBAB.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
References: <BOEHIIJIGHBKGMJFJFBCCEBCCBAB.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <426E1425.20806@alphanumeric.cz>

> Nonsense.  There's absolutely *no* need to switch development languages.
> Solutions in all sorts of price ranges, qualities, and capabilities are
> available in any of the major development languages

I don't agree, there are really bad OS CMS and forums for ASP and 
ASP.NET. Great ones are for PHP, some for Perl and Python.

> Extensibility brings with it performance losses, customization issues,
> learning curve, stability, scalability, increased troubleshooting cost, and
> bugs.  Further, no one product out there can solve all your needs without
> some custom development

TCO would never reach $20k on customising any OS solution IMHO.

-- 
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From keith at digital-crew.com  Mon Apr 25 14:46:14 2005
From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:46:14 +0100
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <426D2B71.3020907@hondaswap.com>
References: <426D2B71.3020907@hondaswap.com>
Message-ID: <426D4906.3020905@digital-crew.com>

Brian Cummiskey wrote:

> i'm trying to write a simple query to check each and every table for a 
> certain group of phone numbers from another table which lists all the 
> jobs and its properties.
> 
> this is what i want to do...
> 
> 
> select * from (select distinct job_name from jobs)
> where phonenumber IN ( <<numbers here>> )
> 
> basically, i want to cycle through each job name from the Jobs table, 
> and within the same database, there is a table with that Job name.
> 
> I.e. Jobs holds: Job1, Job2
> and I have the following tables:
> Jobs
> Job1
> Job2
> in my main listing under the DB.
> 
> I know this syntax fails..  but is there a way to do such a thing?

Nope, not directly. In fact, I can't fathom why you have so many tables
in the first place for doing something like that.

> I really don't want to go through and do this manually for 300 different 
> job tables to see if those phone numbers are in it.

What you'll need to do is manually do a union on all the tables, or just
use one jobs table.

If you're architecturally stuck with the multitude of tables and this is
an ad-hoc query, you could build the query something like this:

     sql = "SELECT * FROM ("
     for i in xrange(job_names.length):
         sql += "SELECT * FROM " . job_names[i]
         if i < job_names.length:
             sql += " UNION "
     sql += "WHERE phonenumber IN (?)"

     stmt = conn.prepare(sql)
     stmt.set(1, phone_numbers)
     rs = stmt.execute()

Excuse the bastard Java/Python pseudocode. :-)

K.


From andrew at milords.com  Tue Apr 26 05:53:36 2005
From: andrew at milords.com (A Maynes)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:53:36 +0100
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <426E1425.20806@alphanumeric.cz>
Message-ID: <000c01c54a4e$325fa280$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>

What were the recommended OS PHP MySQL solutions with template design
modifications?



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan Brasna [mailto:discuss at alphanumeric.cz] 
> Sent: 26 April 2005 11:13
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
> 
> 
> > Nonsense.  There's absolutely *no* need to switch development 
> > languages. Solutions in all sorts of price ranges, qualities, and 
> > capabilities are available in any of the major development languages
> 
> I don't agree, there are really bad OS CMS and forums for ASP and 
> ASP.NET. Great ones are for PHP, some for Perl and Python.
> 
> > Extensibility brings with it performance losses, 
> customization issues, 
> > learning curve, stability, scalability, increased troubleshooting 
> > cost, and bugs.  Further, no one product out there can 
> solve all your 
> > needs without some custom development
> 
> TCO would never reach $20k on customising any OS solution IMHO.
> 
> -- 
> Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com
> -- 
> 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * * 
http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

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From ruimbmadeira at yahoo.com.br  Tue Apr 26 06:00:03 2005
From: ruimbmadeira at yahoo.com.br (Rui Madeira)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:00:03 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [thelist] Help on ERROR [IM002]
Message-ID: <20050426110004.5651.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello
Running my ASP script I enconter this error. Can anybody help on this one?

Thank you
Server Error in '/SigM' Application. 
---------------------------------
ERROR [IM002] [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no default driver specified Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code. 

Exception Details: System.Data.Odbc.OdbcException: ERROR [IM002] [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no default driver specified

Source Error: 


An unhandled exception was generated during the execution of the current web request. Information regarding the origin and location of the exception can be identified using the exception stack trace below. 

Stack Trace: 



[OdbcException: ERROR [IM002] [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no default driver specified]   System.Data.Odbc.OdbcConnection.Open() +638   SIGAM.WebForm1.Page_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) +65   System.Web.UI.Control.OnLoad(EventArgs e) +67   System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +35   System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain() +731




---------------------------------

Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:1.1.4322.573; ASP.NET Version:1.1.4322.573 


		
---------------------------------
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From skilic at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 06:09:54 2005
From: skilic at gmail.com (Serdar Kilic)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:09:54 +1000
Subject: [thelist] Help on ERROR [IM002]
In-Reply-To: <20050426110004.5651.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050426110004.5651.qmail@web20709.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9bff278605042604095952e6fe@mail.gmail.com>

Seems as though you were trying to connect to a database via ODBC yet
the specified DSN (Data Source Name) wasn't on the system.

On the server that the asp.net application runs on have a look at ODBC
(Control Panel | Administrative tools), check the System DSN (most
likely) - match this up to what you have in your connection string,
usually found in web.config

-- 
Cheers,
Serdar Kilic
http://weblog.kilic.net/

From discuss at alphanumeric.cz  Tue Apr 26 06:31:00 2005
From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:31:00 +0200
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <000c01c54a4e$325fa280$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>
References: <000c01c54a4e$325fa280$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>
Message-ID: <426E2674.6090107@alphanumeric.cz>

> What were the recommended OS PHP MySQL solutions with template design
> modifications?

Eg. Drupal (http://drupal.org/project/theme_editor)

-- 
Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

From leslytollis at dimensions-corporatewear.co.uk  Tue Apr 26 09:06:47 2005
From: leslytollis at dimensions-corporatewear.co.uk (Les Lytollis)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:06:47 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Spurious characters in email subject header
Message-ID: <96679FBAB994C749AD44C8531719F4120376F3@casexch01.dimensions.co.uk>

Hi All

I have an ordering application that allows users to fill in a web form
and hit a send button. The order is built as a text attachment to an
email in a c# class, the email is then built (also in c#) and sent to a
specified inbox. 

Yesterday, some of the subject headers had [!] before the subject. Since
all the order emails are built and sent from the same program, I am
assuming that this must have been added at some point between
objMail.Send and arriving in the inbox.

Does anyone know what, how or why this might appear?

TIA
Les Lytollis

From tj at iconinteractive.com  Mon Apr 25 11:50:08 2005
From: tj at iconinteractive.com (Troy Janisch)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:50:08 -0500
Subject: [thelist] SEO
Message-ID: <8a1165b97c85cc4fe68b755c58fac901@iconinteractive.com>

<tip type="Search Engine Optimization" author="TJ">
If you want to monitor a web site's Google and Yahoo ranking in real 
time, take a look at this application:

http://www.iconinteractive.com/i!alert/


</tip>


From rich at richpoints.com  Tue Apr 26 10:18:22 2005
From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:18:22 -0600
Subject: [thelist] SEO
In-Reply-To: <8a1165b97c85cc4fe68b755c58fac901@iconinteractive.com>
References: <8a1165b97c85cc4fe68b755c58fac901@iconinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <426E5BBE.4000200@richpoints.com>

this doesn't seem to work, I can't get any google results for anything.

R

Troy Janisch wrote:

> <tip type="Search Engine Optimization" author="TJ">
> If you want to monitor a web site's Google and Yahoo ranking in real 
> time, take a look at this application:
>
> http://www.iconinteractive.com/i!alert/
>
>
> </tip>
>

From mr.sanders at designshift.com  Tue Apr 26 10:35:09 2005
From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:35:09 -0300
Subject: [thelist] tips on doing QA and testing of my own work
Message-ID: <426E5FAD.60207@designshift.com>

I often find myself working on a project with no-one else assigned to do 
QA, sometimes because the company I work for is too small or too cheap 
to hire a full-time QA person, sometimes because I am freelancing. This 
leaves me with the onerous task of doing QA and testing on my own work, 
which I believe is a Very Bad Idea - I know exactly how my work should 
behave, so it's hard to make myself try to "break" it :) I've decided 
that I should learn a bit more about QA and recommended procedures and 
best practices for testing applications (web apps in particular).

Links to references that others have found helpful would be much 
appreciated - preferably online, but if a book is *really* good, I might 
even go buy it.

TIA

-- 
sarah sweeney
web developer & programmer
my portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com
my blog: http://hardedge.ca
my family: http://geekjock.ca

From antonio.angelo at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 13:00:35 2005
From: antonio.angelo at gmail.com (Antonio Angelo)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:00:35 +0200
Subject: [thelist] personal PHP preference inquiry
In-Reply-To: <cb069f550504231602239b3c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cb069f550504231602239b3c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fad1810105042611003199b97f@mail.gmail.com>

2005/4/24, Rick den Haan <rick.denhaan at gmail.com>:
> I was wondering how all you PHP programmers out there work with custom
> functions. Do you like to:
> 
> a) put all necessary functions in the page itself;
> b) put all functions in one seperate file, and include this big file
> into the page;
> c) put each function in its own file, and include when needed;
> d) else?

Rick,

I wrote very little code in PHP but usually I have two 'library'
files: one with all global subroutines (the big one), and another with
subroutines specific to the application.
Both files are then included in my pages.

Antonio

From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 13:21:19 2005
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:21:19 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Re: javascript optimization question
In-Reply-To: <dfc81b0905042200022bbd5aaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dfc81b0905042200022bbd5aaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dfc81b0905042611214e51f3bc@mail.gmail.com>

Since no reply, I think the question has been lost in hyperspace :)

Anyways, I will research further and let you know if I find anything.

Cheers,
Volkan.

On 4/22/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K <volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all!
> 
> I have a question on javascript scripting engine:
> 
> Does javascript scripting engine do any optimization to function call,
> as in java?
> 
> Here is a simple set up:
> 
> function test1() {
>   test2();
>   test3();
> }
> 
> function test2(){/*some code*/;}
> function test3(){/*some other code*/;}
> 
> when calling test1() can test3 ever be executed before test2, given
> that the execution order does not change anything (or the optimizer
> thinks so)
> 
> Before that, is there a thing called "javascript optimizer" (as in
> java or C#) or javascript is executed line-by-line in the order things
> appear in source code.
> 
> imho, there is no such thing called a js optimizer, but I cannot be
> sure. Can you give me any pointers that proves or disproves my
> statement. I need to propose a very convincing explanation to my
> colleague (and project leader).
> 
> Thank you very much in advance.
> 
> Cheers,
> Volkan.
>

From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Tue Apr 26 15:06:09 2005
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:06:09 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <426E1425.20806@alphanumeric.cz>
Message-ID: <20050426190745.585.22639@hm-pop3.solinus.com>

Jan,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Jan Brasna
> 
> > Nonsense.  There's absolutely *no* need to switch
> > development languages.  Solutions in all sorts of
> > price ranges, qualities, and capabilities are
> > available in any of the major development
> > languages
> 
> I don't agree, there are really bad OS CMS and forums
> for ASP and ASP.NET. Great ones are for PHP, some for
> Perl and Python.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

There are also a number of *really* bad options available in PHP.  What's
your point?

My point, which you seem to have lost, was that it's not necessary to use
something other than the application-server you're already familiar
with/have available/invested in/etc.

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> > Extensibility brings with it performance losses,
> > customization issues, learning curve, stability,
> > scalability, increased troubleshooting cost, and
> > bugs.  Further, no one product out there can solve
> > all your needs without some custom development
> 
> TCO would never reach $20k on customising any OS
> solution IMHO.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

I've seen numerous projects that would require investments in excess of $20k
just to get started with an OSS solution, not to mention the ongoing costs
to keep the software updated regularly, fix problems caused by updates, etc.

Jeff
------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
Resume - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://jeffhowden.com/code/


From support at rikter.com  Tue Apr 26 15:30:20 2005
From: support at rikter.com (Rikter Web Design)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:30:20 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Password-Protect Downloadable Excel Files
Message-ID: <200504261630572.SM02084@einstein>

Hi All:

I'm making available an Excel file for download (using .asp).  This file is
queried from an Access Database.

I'm familiar with
<% Response.ContentType = "application/csv" %>
<% Response.AddHeader "Content-Disposition",
"attachment;filename=nameoffile.csv" %>

Question: Anyone know how to enable this password-protected by default?  I
need to have it require a password to open.

Thanks in advance for any help you could provide.

Sincerely,

Christopher Lee
www.rikter.com
E-Mail: support at rikter.com


From discuss at alphanumeric.cz  Tue Apr 26 15:41:15 2005
From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:41:15 +0200
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <20050426190745.585.22639@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
References: <20050426190745.585.22639@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
Message-ID: <426EA76B.2070907@alphanumeric.cz>

> There are also a number of *really* bad options available in PHP.  What's
> your point?

That's sure.

> My point, which you seem to have lost, was that it's not necessary to use
> something other than the application-server you're already familiar
> with/have available/invested in/etc.

I'd agree, however I was once trying to find a good OS content and 
community management software for ASP.NET, but was unable to find a good 
one, so this was just my $0.02 to CMS on ASP platform, nothing more.

> I've seen numerous projects that would require investments in excess of $20k

That's sure too. But I think the specs posted by Mike Pouncy do not fall 
under this case.

-- 
Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Tue Apr 26 15:41:54 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:41:54 -0700
Subject: [thelist] personal PHP preference inquiry
In-Reply-To: <fad1810105042611003199b97f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050426195342.BD372518702@mx1.nexiderm.com>

 
-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Angelo
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:01 AM
To: Rick den Haan; thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] personal PHP preference inquiry

2005/4/24, Rick den Haan <rick.denhaan at gmail.com>:
> I was wondering how all you PHP programmers out there work with custom 
> functions. Do you like to:
> 
> a) put all necessary functions in the page itself;
> b) put all functions in one seperate file, and include this big file 
> into the page;
> c) put each function in its own file, and include when needed;
> d) else?

Abandon all hope, and stop programming in proceedural php.  It's VERY easy
to simply put your code into a class file.  I always have a directory called
/classes in the doc root.  If you make a class called example, for example,
you would do:

/classes/example_class.php (or something similar).

Working with classes is CAKE.

A class looks like this in php4:

<?
class example {

	// sample var
	var $myvar;

	// init method (a method is function in a class) for constructor
	function example() {
		// stick my default variable(s) here
	}

	function getExample() {
		SQL here...
	}
}
?>

To access this in a page is SO easy...

<?
include("/classes/example_class.php");
$example = new example;

echo $example->myvar;
?>

Sorry, I thought I should take the opportunity to throw out some OO php.
I've been working with it now for the last few years, and it's fantastically
easier.

J


From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Tue Apr 26 16:12:03 2005
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:12:03 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <426EA76B.2070907@alphanumeric.cz>
Message-ID: <20050426201339.24202.13797@hm-pop3.solinus.com>

Jan,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Jan Brasna
> 
> > My point, which you seem to have lost, was that it's
> > not necessary to use something other than the
> > application-server you're already familiar with/have
> > available/invested in/etc.
> 
> I'd agree, however I was once trying to find a good OS
> content and community management software for ASP.NET,
> but was unable to find a good one, so this was just my
> $0.02 to CMS on ASP platform, nothing more.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

First you say ASP.NET, then you say ASP.  The former only makes up a small
percentage of the total offerings available and is far exceeded by the
latter.  Further, there are lots of good solutions available for non.NET
ASP.

We're straying from the original point you made though, which was, "learn
PHP because there's lots of stuff out there in PHP", which is schoolyard
silly.

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> > I've seen numerous projects that would require
> > investments in excess of $20k
> 
> That's sure too. But I think the specs posted by Mike
> Pouncy do not fall under this case.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

Agreed, regardless of OSS or custom.  In fact, with a project like he
described, I bet the overall costs wouldn't be very far apart at all.

Jeff
------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
Resume - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://jeffhowden.com/code/


From discuss at alphanumeric.cz  Tue Apr 26 16:23:34 2005
From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:23:34 +0200
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <20050426201339.24202.13797@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
References: <20050426201339.24202.13797@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
Message-ID: <426EB156.8050308@alphanumeric.cz>

> We're straying from the original point you made though, which was, "learn
> PHP because there's lots of stuff out there in PHP", which is schoolyard
> silly.

It was not about learning, it was about switching to PHP-capable hosting 
because *IMHO* this will broaden the selection of cheap-to-customize OS 
CMS. There's nothing more in it, just this my *opinion*.

-- 
Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

From dwain at alforddesigngroup.com  Tue Apr 26 16:33:03 2005
From: dwain at alforddesigngroup.com (dwain at alforddesigngroup.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:33:03 -0500
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <20050426201339.24202.13797@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
References: <20050426201339.24202.13797@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
Message-ID: <426EB38F.2090507@alforddesigngroup.com>

>>>I've seen numerous projects that would require
>>>investments in excess of $20k
>>
>>That's sure too. But I think the specs posted by Mike
>>Pouncy do not fall under this case.

has anyone checked out jboss.org?  they are supposed to have an 
enterprise grade open source cms.
dwain

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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Tue Apr 26 16:46:36 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:46:36 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <20050426201339.24202.13797@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
References: <20050426201339.24202.13797@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
Message-ID: <1114551996.426eb6bc100d8@webmail.comsimplicity.com>

> there are lots of good solutions available for non.NET ASP.

Where, please?

I need an open-source solution for a starving nonprofit.  We need to
set up a somewhat complex workflow for an event listings database.
-------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Ed McCarroll                                          (310) 838-4330
Ed at ComSimplicity.com                    http://www.ComSimplicity.com

From hassan at webtuitive.com  Tue Apr 26 16:51:31 2005
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:51:31 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <426EB38F.2090507@alforddesigngroup.com>
References: <20050426201339.24202.13797@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
	<426EB38F.2090507@alforddesigngroup.com>
Message-ID: <426EB7E3.3070702@webtuitive.com>

dwain at alforddesigngroup.com wrote:

> has anyone checked out jboss.org?  they are supposed to have an 
> enterprise grade open source cms.

No, JBoss is a J2EE app server. But there are certainly open-source
Java CMSs -- Apache Lenya for example...

-- 
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Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

                           dream.  code.



From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Tue Apr 26 16:52:59 2005
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:52:59 -0500
Subject: [thelist] SEO
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D3B7@smtmb.tmc.local>

<snip>
<tip type="Search Engine Optimization" author="TJ">
If you want to monitor a web site's Google and Yahoo ranking in real 
time, take a look at this application:

http://www.iconinteractive.com/i!alert/
</tip>
</snip>

So what are the rules for posting products to the list for your own
financial gain?

Rob

From pouncy_1 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 26 17:09:31 2005
From: pouncy_1 at hotmail.com (pouncyisdead)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:09:31 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions (extended)
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV74E4D0AA79CDB72945A90BF210@phx.gbl>

On the subject of changing scripting languages:
We've sadly made such a large investment in ASP that it would take us about
6 months of recoding our ASP pages to PHP, just to catch up to where we
currently are in our development plan.

I will keep drupal and zope in mind if I begin a new project that is not
heavily invested in M$ products. 

Mike Pouncy [Technical Supervisor] 
[WEB]-[http://fpbe.com] [MSN]-[pouncy_1 at hotmail.com]

----- 
From: pouncyisdead 
Subject: opinions on CMS solutions

I know that this is a commonly asked question, but, do any of you have a
recommendation for a low-cost, xhtml-valid, content management system? My
small company is looking for a CMS that includes support for versioning, and
syndication.

About us: we are a sports information group with 4 medium sites running on a
single windows 2003 server. We've looked into Vignette, Cm3, Documentum and
Acuity, but were unhappy with the total costs. Sadly, must of the free
offerings (DotNetNuke, Rainbow) didn't seem robust enough for the constant
updates and reports that we do each day.

Mike Pouncy [Technical Supervisor] 
[WEB]-[http://fpbe.com] [MSN]-[pouncy_1 at hotmail.com]


From dev at yiibu.com  Tue Apr 26 17:17:38 2005
From: dev at yiibu.com (Bryan Rieger)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:17:38 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <1114551996.426eb6bc100d8@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1260243102.26984.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

It's been mentioned before, but here goes nothing: Drupal
http://drupal.org/search/node/events

There's an events module, upcoming module and I think there's some people
looking at iCal support. As for workflow, Drupal isn't perfect, but it's got
the usual moderation, sign-offs, etc. Fairly easy to set-up using PHP, MySQL
- even better if you enable mod_rewrite support for clean urls.

Cheers,

Bryan 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org 
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Ed McCarroll
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:47 PM
> To: jeff at jeffhowden.com; thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
> 
> > there are lots of good solutions available for non.NET ASP.
> 
> Where, please?
> 
> I need an open-source solution for a starving nonprofit.  We 
> need to set up a somewhat complex workflow for an event 
> listings database.
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From discuss at alphanumeric.cz  Tue Apr 26 17:20:24 2005
From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:20:24 +0200
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <426EB7E3.3070702@webtuitive.com>
References: <20050426201339.24202.13797@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
	<426EB38F.2090507@alforddesigngroup.com> <426EB7E3.3070702@webtuitive.com>
Message-ID: <426EBEA8.5050808@alphanumeric.cz>

>> has anyone checked out jboss.org?  they are supposed to have an 
>> enterprise grade open source cms.
> 
> No, JBoss is a J2EE app server.

However JBoss Portal is a CMS.

-- 
Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

From hassan at webtuitive.com  Tue Apr 26 18:02:33 2005
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:02:33 -0700
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions
In-Reply-To: <426EBEA8.5050808@alphanumeric.cz>
References: <20050426201339.24202.13797@hm-pop3.solinus.com>
	<426EB38F.2090507@alforddesigngroup.com> <426EB7E3.3070702@webtuitive.com>
	<426EBEA8.5050808@alphanumeric.cz>
Message-ID: <426EC889.6040005@webtuitive.com>

Jan Brasna wrote:

>> No, JBoss is a J2EE app server.
> 
> However JBoss Portal is a CMS.

Uh, they can claim that. :-)  I just looked at their datasheet, and
frankly it doesn't sound like what I'd call a CMS (*especially* when
it's part of a portal software package). But to each their own.

-- 
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Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

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From dwain at alforddesigngroup.com  Tue Apr 26 18:11:02 2005
From: dwain at alforddesigngroup.com (dwain at alforddesigngroup.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:11:02 -0500
Subject: [thelist] opinions on CMS solutions (extended)
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV74E4D0AA79CDB72945A90BF210@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-DAV74E4D0AA79CDB72945A90BF210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <426ECA86.5020609@alforddesigngroup.com>

pouncyisdead wrote:
> I will keep drupal and zope in mind if I begin a new project that is not
> heavily invested in M$ products. 
> 

you might want to look at this one too.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/endonesia

here's a test install:

http://chat-rock.com/test/cms/

good luck,
dwain


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From blumeneau at aboutaudrey.com  Tue Apr 26 18:49:16 2005
From: blumeneau at aboutaudrey.com (Audrey Blumeneau)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:49:16 -0700
Subject: [thelist] ShopSite experience?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050426164801.03539690@mail.gogabriel.com>

Greetings,

I have a client who has asked me what I know - pros and cons - of a 
shopping cart system called "ShopSite".

I am wondering if any of you have had any experience with it and, if so, 
what your thoughts are about it - do you like it?  Are customers using it 
happy?

For background, my client has products that require the buyer to select 
style, color and size of an item to be purchased (which then determines the 
price of said item) and thus needs a system that would be flexible (and 
easy) to set up.

Thanks for any feedback (or recommendations).

Cheers,
Audrey


From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Tue Apr 26 19:31:37 2005
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:31:37 +1000
Subject: [thelist] Password-Protect Downloadable Excel Files
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B9FD@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

Is this actually an Excel spreadsheet or a CSV (Comma Separated Value)
document? 

The former is a proprietary binary format which you can use the native
password functionality (for example you could use Office Automation and the
Excel objects to set this, or the Jet OLEDB Provider I believe can
create/alter Excel spreadsheets and you'd be able to set a password that
way). 

The latter is just a text file with values separated with commas, and records
separated with line breaks. There is no "password" functionality that comes
inbuilt with text files.

Cheers
Ken

--
www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/ 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rikter Web Design
: Subject: [thelist] Password-Protect Downloadable Excel Files
: 
: Hi All:
: 
: I'm making available an Excel file for download (using .asp).  This file
: is
: queried from an Access Database.
: 
: I'm familiar with
: <% Response.ContentType = "application/csv" %>
: <% Response.AddHeader "Content-Disposition",
: "attachment;filename=nameoffile.csv" %>
: 
: Question: Anyone know how to enable this password-protected by default?  I
: need to have it require a password to open.
: 
: Thanks in advance for any help you could provide.
: 
: Sincerely,
: 
: Christopher Lee
: www.rikter.com
: E-Mail: support at rikter.com


From scott at netalytical.com  Tue Apr 26 23:56:58 2005
From: scott at netalytical.com (Scott Wolpow)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:56:58 -0400
Subject: [thelist] ShopSite experience?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050426164801.03539690@mail.gogabriel.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050426164801.03539690@mail.gogabriel.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050427005526.02bacb00@n4277491.securesites.net>

It is fairly easy to use and to customize, provided you know HTML and 
basics of programing. Their tech support is quite good depending on who you 
get hosting from.
Scott Wolpow

At 04:49 PM 26/04/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>I have a client who has asked me what I know - pros and cons - of a 
>shopping cart system called "ShopSite".
>
>I am wondering if any of you have had any experience with it and, if so, 
>what your thoughts are about it - do you like it?  Are customers using it 
>happy?
>
>For background, my client has products that require the buyer to select 
>style, color and size of an item to be purchased (which then determines 
>the price of said item) and thus needs a system that would be flexible 
>(and easy) to set up.
>
>Thanks for any feedback (or recommendations).
>
>Cheers,
>Audrey
>
>--
>
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>http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
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From Andreas.Wahlin at ufl.gu.se  Wed Apr 27 03:24:28 2005
From: Andreas.Wahlin at ufl.gu.se (Andreas Wahlin)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:24:28 +0200
Subject: SV: SPAM-HIGH:  RE: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
Message-ID: <AE41A047B7D04D479F1420CF5C596E3A0BAFDE@bart.adm.gu.se>

I have no idea if i got the query correct, but it seems to me that what
you want to do (in asp code or whatever) is something down the line of

Get the names of all the jobs as an array
Loop through the array
__Build sql query like "Select * from job" + array[i]

So what you want is have an array with all the job names stored as
strings, loop through the array and use the string to build sql querys.

Or am i completely at a loss here?

ANdreas

From info at internetvraagbaak.nl  Wed Apr 27 06:11:55 2005
From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Jeroen Wijers)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:11:55 +0200
Subject: [thelist] embed wmv movies firefox
References: <AE41A047B7D04D479F1420CF5C596E3A0BAFDE@bart.adm.gu.se>
Message-ID: <000601c54b19$ec6959c0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>

Hi

I have this on my website: www.chatbots.biz/English/index.htm
But it won;t play in firefox..on win xp.
On the other pages it does not even display a player screen.... so i 
"solved" that...
But now what i wrong?
  <object id="MyWMPlayer"
                  classid="clsid:6BF52A52-394A-11d3-B153-00C04F79FAA6"
                  height="260"
                  width="320">
          <param name="uiMode" value="full" />
          <param name="autoStart" value="true" />
          <param name="URL" value="english_wmv/welcome.wmv" />
    <embed type="application/x-mplayer2"
pluginspage = "http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/"
id="MyWMPLayer"
name="www.aiml.nl/English/english_wmv/welcome.wmv"
width="320"
height="260"
autostart="true">
</embed>         </object>

Thanks!

Jeroen 


From keith at digital-crew.com  Wed Apr 27 06:58:14 2005
From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:58:14 +0100
Subject: [thelist] embed wmv movies firefox
In-Reply-To: <000601c54b19$ec6959c0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
References: <AE41A047B7D04D479F1420CF5C596E3A0BAFDE@bart.adm.gu.se>
	<000601c54b19$ec6959c0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
Message-ID: <426F7E56.1040808@digital-crew.com>

Jeroen Wijers wrote:

> I have this on my website: www.chatbots.biz/English/index.htm
> But it won;t play in firefox..on win xp.
> On the other pages it does not even display a player screen.... so i 
> "solved" that...
> But now what i wrong?
>  <object id="MyWMPlayer"
>                  classid="clsid:6BF52A52-394A-11d3-B153-00C04F79FAA6"
>                  height="260"
>                  width="320">
>          <param name="uiMode" value="full" />
>          <param name="autoStart" value="true" />
>          <param name="URL" value="english_wmv/welcome.wmv" />
>    <embed type="application/x-mplayer2"
> pluginspage = "http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/"
> id="MyWMPLayer"
> name="www.aiml.nl/English/english_wmv/welcome.wmv"
> width="320"
> height="260"
> autostart="true">
> </embed>         </object>

I've no way of checking, but why not try this:

<object type="video/x-ms-wmv" id="MyWMPPlayer" width="320" height="260">
     <param name="uiMode" value="full" />
     <param name="autoStart" value="true" />
     <param name="URL" value="english_wmv/welcome.wmv" />

     <p>Some kind of alternate content.</p>
</object>

The reasoning behind this is the same as the Flash Satay[1] article. COM
CLSIDs are Windows-specific: even when Firefox's running on Windows, it
doesn't necessarily know about these. However, MIME types (the
"video/x-ms-wmv" above) are supposed to be internet standards (although
the one above isn't, hence the "x-"), and ought to be recognised
everywhere where there's a player or viewer for that type.

K.

[1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/

From chris at logorocks.com  Wed Apr 27 07:29:16 2005
From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:29:16 +0100
Subject: [thelist] TIP: Browser/server interactivity without page reloads
Message-ID: <e3b07f324d232b0b959f74fb9a86da32@logorocks.com>

For those who haven't checked in with webmonkey lately: check this out!

<tip type="browser/server interactivity without page reloads" 
author="Paul Adams at webmonkey">

You can use JavaScript to make your page interact with the server 
without reloading - like this neat Google app, which checks your input 
as you type:
http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1

A tutorial article is here:
http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/05/16/index4a.html

Cool huh

</tip>


From info at internetvraagbaak.nl  Wed Apr 27 07:46:43 2005
From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Jeroen Wijers)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:46:43 +0200
Subject: [thelist] embed wmv movies firefox
References: 	<AE41A047B7D04D479F1420CF5C596E3A0BAFDE@bart.adm.gu.se><000601c54b19$ec6959c0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	<426F7E56.1040808@digital-crew.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c54b27$2a5a83f0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>



> Jeroen Wijers wrote:
>
>> I have this on my website: www.chatbots.biz/English/index.htm
>> But it won;t play in firefox..on win xp.
>> On the other pages it does not even display a player screen.... so i 
>> "solved" that...
>> But now what i wrong?
>>  <object id="MyWMPlayer"
>>                  classid="clsid:6BF52A52-394A-11d3-B153-00C04F79FAA6"
>>                  height="260"
>>                  width="320">
>>          <param name="uiMode" value="full" />
>>          <param name="autoStart" value="true" />
>>          <param name="URL" value="english_wmv/welcome.wmv" />
>>    <embed type="application/x-mplayer2"
>> pluginspage = "http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/"
>> id="MyWMPLayer"
>> name="www.aiml.nl/English/english_wmv/welcome.wmv"
>> width="320"
>> height="260"
>> autostart="true">
>> </embed>         </object>
>
> I've no way of checking, but why not try this:
>
> <object type="video/x-ms-wmv" id="MyWMPPlayer" width="320" height="260">
>     <param name="uiMode" value="full" />
>     <param name="autoStart" value="true" />
>     <param name="URL" value="english_wmv/welcome.wmv" />
>
>     <p>Some kind of alternate content.</p>
> </object>

I tried this
   <object type="video/x-ms-wmv" id="MyWMPPlayer" width="320" height="260">
                  <param name="uiMode" value="full" />
          <param name="autoStart" value="true" />
          <param name="URL" value="english_wmv/welcome.wmv" />
  </object>

But with no result really. the movie screen will show on both Ie en Firefox 
but not play in one of them.
Tried it too with the extra embed tags but with no luck...






>
> The reasoning behind this is the same as the Flash Satay[1] article. COM
> CLSIDs are Windows-specific: even when Firefox's running on Windows, it
> doesn't necessarily know about these. However, MIME types (the
> "video/x-ms-wmv" above) are supposed to be internet standards (although
> the one above isn't, hence the "x-"), and ought to be recognised
> everywhere where there's a player or viewer for that type.
>
> K.
>
> [1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/
> -- 
>
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>
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From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Wed Apr 27 08:13:38 2005
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:13:38 -0500
Subject: [thelist] [Semi-OT] Excel and TabIndex
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D3B9@smtmb.tmc.local>

Hi

I'm working on a timesheet (in Excel) and am having some trouble getting the
tabindex to work with text boxes.

To recreate the problem:
1. Open excel
2. View > Toolbars > Control Toolbox
3. Select the Text Box
4. Place two of them in the spreadsheet
5. Now try and tab between the two.

It doesn't work. I've looked around, but can't seem to associate anykind of
tab order or tab index with these TextBox's. 

Suggestions?

Rob Smith 

From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 08:23:54 2005
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:23:54 +0300
Subject: [thelist] TIP: Browser/server interactivity without page reloads
In-Reply-To: <e3b07f324d232b0b959f74fb9a86da32@logorocks.com>
References: <e3b07f324d232b0b959f74fb9a86da32@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <dfc81b0905042706237ca434e1@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the tip,

I was looking for a way to do similar things without the aid of ugly
ms-dependent HTC components (which have bugs and security leaks) and
iframes (which have cross-frame security issues which sometimes make
life hard).

Although the clients will be *ahem* forced (well we have reasons) to
use MSIE, I prefer something cross-browser.

I've not been browsing webmonkey for about 3-4 months. I think I'm
gonna spare some time to visit it.

The tip came like a charm.

Cheers,
Volkan.

On 4/27/05, Chris Kavanagh <chris at logorocks.com> wrote:
> For those who haven't checked in with webmonkey lately: check this out!
> 
> <tip type="browser/server interactivity without page reloads"
> author="Paul Adams at webmonkey">
> 
> You can use JavaScript to make your page interact with the server
> without reloading - like this neat Google app, which checks your input
> as you type:
> http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1
> 
> A tutorial article is here:
> http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/05/16/index4a.html
> 
> Cool huh
> 
> </tip>
> 
> --
> 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> 
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>

From evolt at weeb.biz  Wed Apr 27 09:16:30 2005
From: evolt at weeb.biz (James Hardy)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:16:30 +0100
Subject: [thelist] embed wmv movies firefox
In-Reply-To: <000f01c54b27$2a5a83f0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
References: 	<AE41A047B7D04D479F1420CF5C596E3A0BAFDE@bart.adm.gu.se><000601c54b19$ec6959c0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	<426F7E56.1040808@digital-crew.com>
	<000f01c54b27$2a5a83f0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
Message-ID: <426F9EBE.2080100@weeb.biz>

Jeroen Wijers wrote:

> I tried this
>   <object type="video/x-ms-wmv" id="MyWMPPlayer" width="320" 
> height="260">
>                  <param name="uiMode" value="full" />
>          <param name="autoStart" value="true" />
>          <param name="URL" value="english_wmv/welcome.wmv" />
>  </object>
>
> But with no result really. the movie screen will show on both Ie en 
> Firefox but not play in one of them.
> Tried it too with the extra embed tags but with no luck...

I've never tried with wmv, but I know that with some other media formats 
(3gp for example)  adding a data attribute to the object element works so:

    <object type="video/x-ms-wmv" id="MyWMPPlayer" width="320" 
height="260" data="english_wmv/welcome.wmv">
        <param name="uiMode" value="full" />
        <param name="autoStart" value="true" />
        <param name="URL" value="english_wmv/welcome.wmv" />
    </object>

You still need the param element to make it work in IE

You should also check of course that firefox actually has a player for 
that mime-type
to do this enter into the location bar the address: about:plugins
then search for video/x-ms-wmv
(I found it, not surprisingly under the heading Windows Media Player 
Plug-in Dynamic Link Library)

If there is nothing registered to play it, or if it is not enabed (far 
right column of the page) then it will not work, regardless of what 
markup you use.


From sam at sam-i-am.com  Wed Apr 27 09:18:14 2005
From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam Foster)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:18:14 -0500
Subject: [thelist] XSLT: escaping CDATA
In-Reply-To: <426C5100.9040506@crispen.org>
References: <426C5100.9040506@crispen.org>
Message-ID: <426F9F26.8090801@sam-i-am.com>


> The problem is, I've got a CDATA section in the XSLT script, but the 
> XSLT processor consumes it (good thing, since the CSS it wraps doesn't 
> look anything like XML) so that I'm left with
>
>     <style type="text/css">
>       /**/
>
> and
>
>       /* */
>     </style>
>
> Is there any way to escape the CDATA?  CDATA sections can't be nested 
> unless I'm totally misreading things.

Did you get any ideas on this? I'm facing the same problem, trying to 
round trip some xhtml through an xslt transformation. I can do it if I 
pre/post process in perl, but the whole point is that this shouldn't be 
necessary and I should be able to accomplish it all in xslt.

thanks
Sam


From peter at easylistbox.com  Wed Apr 27 09:36:07 2005
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:36:07 -0700
Subject: [thelist] embed wmv movies firefox
Message-ID: <79389e16b65140f592e8319f2b187fe9@easylistbox.com>

For what it's worth... where you use the "URL" parameter, I have a parameter called "filename".

 From: "Jeroen Wijers" info at internetvraagbaak.nl

> Jeroen Wijers wrote:
>
>> I have this on my website: www.chatbots.biz/English/index.htm
>> But it won;t play in firefox..on win xp.
>> On the other pages it does not even display a player screen.... so i 
>> "solved" that...
>> But now what i wrong?
>>  >> classid="clsid:6BF52A52-394A-11d3-B153-00C04F79FAA6"
>> height="260"
>> width="320">
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >> pluginspage = "http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/"
>> id="MyWMPLayer"
>> name="www.aiml.nl/English/english_wmv/welcome.wmv"
>> width="320"
>> height="260"
>> autostart="true">
>>  
>
> I've no way of checking, but why not try this:
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
> 

Some kind of alternate content.
> 

I tried this

But with no result really. the movie screen will show on both Ie en Firefox 
but not play in one of them.
Tried it too with the extra embed tags but with no luck...

>
> The reasoning behind this is the same as the Flash Satay[1] article. COM
> CLSIDs are Windows-specific: even when Firefox's running on Windows, it
> doesn't necessarily know about these. However, MIME types (the
> "video/x-ms-wmv" above) are supposed to be internet standards (although
> the one above isn't, hence the "x-"), and ought to be recognised
> everywhere where there's a player or viewer for that type.
>
> K.
>
> [1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/
> -- 
>
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From ian at zstudio.co.uk  Wed Apr 27 10:03:46 2005
From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:03:46 +0100
Subject: [thelist] TIP: Browser/server interactivity without page reloads
In-Reply-To: <dfc81b0905042706237ca434e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e3b07f324d232b0b959f74fb9a86da32@logorocks.com>
	<dfc81b0905042706237ca434e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <426FA9D2.4080009@zstudio.co.uk>

VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote:

>
>Although the clients will be *ahem* forced (well we have reasons) to
>use MSIE, I prefer something cross-browser.
>
As Volkan will see when he visits it, the technique described in that 
article *is* cross-browser compatible; it's a great article that unlocks 
the technique used in "Ajax" applications like Google Maps and Google 
Suggest; using a JavaScript method called XMLHttpRequest to send data to 
and query data from server side apps without reloading the whole page.

The data returned doesn't have to be XML, apparently, but can be any 
text string.

It's going to be one of those epoch-making articles, I think, like Paul 
Souden's Style switcher piece in alistapart. I'm still reeling from the 
possibilities and from how easy it looks.

Cheers
Ian




From chilijoe at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 10:15:22 2005
From: chilijoe at gmail.com (Joe Ngo)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:15:22 +0800
Subject: [thelist] embed wmv movies firefox
In-Reply-To: <000601c54b19$ec6959c0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
References: <AE41A047B7D04D479F1420CF5C596E3A0BAFDE@bart.adm.gu.se>
	 <000601c54b19$ec6959c0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
Message-ID: <6a81c23005042708153d2a4fa0@mail.gmail.com>

<embed> might not be for the purist, but it seems to be widely supported.

I have a site that uses <embed src="mymovie.wmv" width="XXXpx"
height="YYYpx"></embed>

Works fine in IE, Firefox & Opera in Win2k & XP. Also works in Firefox
& Konqueror with mplayer in Linux (can't remember if I've tried in
Opera).

On 4/27/05, Jeroen Wijers <info at internetvraagbaak.nl> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have this on my website: www.chatbots.biz/English/index.htm
> But it won;t play in firefox..on win xp.
> On the other pages it does not even display a player screen.... so i
> "solved" that...
> But now what i wrong?
>   <object id="MyWMPlayer"
>                   classid="clsid:6BF52A52-394A-11d3-B153-00C04F79FAA6"
>                   height="260"
>                   width="320">
>           <param name="uiMode" value="full" />
>           <param name="autoStart" value="true" />
>           <param name="URL" value="english_wmv/welcome.wmv" />
>     <embed type="application/x-mplayer2"
> pluginspage = "http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/"
> id="MyWMPLayer"
> name="www.aiml.nl/English/english_wmv/welcome.wmv"
> width="320"
> height="260"
> autostart="true">
> </embed>         </object>
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jeroen
> 
> --
> 
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From Andreas.Wahlin at ufl.gu.se  Wed Apr 27 10:17:16 2005
From: Andreas.Wahlin at ufl.gu.se (Andreas Wahlin)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:17:16 +0200
Subject: SV: [thelist] TIP: Browser/server interactivity without page reloads
Message-ID: <AE41A047B7D04D479F1420CF5C596E3A0BAFE5@bart.adm.gu.se>

Yep, especially find as you type can be used to enhance many searches!
I'm curious about that, can you use the readyState property as a progressindicator that goes from 0 to 4 in an even pace? That is, can you, for example, display an image with the width dictated by the readyState, something like 
<img src="progressbar.gif" width="xmlhttpObject.readyState * 20" /> (pseudo code)
and get a more or less accurate progressbar out of that, or is it not possible (to jumpy timing, values don't go from 0 to 4, etc)?

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Skickat: den 27 april 2005 17:04
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?mne: Re: [thelist] TIP: Browser/server interactivity without page reloads

VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote:

>
>Although the clients will be *ahem* forced (well we have reasons) to
>use MSIE, I prefer something cross-browser.
>
As Volkan will see when he visits it, the technique described in that 
article *is* cross-browser compatible; it's a great article that unlocks 
the technique used in "Ajax" applications like Google Maps and Google 
Suggest; using a JavaScript method called XMLHttpRequest to send data to 
and query data from server side apps without reloading the whole page.

The data returned doesn't have to be XML, apparently, but can be any 
text string.

It's going to be one of those epoch-making articles, I think, like Paul 
Souden's Style switcher piece in alistapart. I'm still reeling from the 
possibilities and from how easy it looks.

Cheers
Ian



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From robwells57 at btinternet.com  Wed Apr 27 10:26:41 2005
From: robwells57 at btinternet.com (Robert Wells)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:26:41 +0100
Subject: [thelist] site evaluation
In-Reply-To: <000b01c549bb$e8e76d00$0201a8c0@p2>
References: <b98ef7231d5b8ff07b99f9d19747346c@doolang.com>
 <000b01c549bb$e8e76d00$0201a8c0@p2>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050427155923.03529440@localhost>

G'day Phil,

I just thought I'd add my own 0.02p here.

1) I get the feeling that the content on the home page has been taken a 
print document, i.e. not web specific with respect to viewers initially 
scanning a page rather than reading it. This content might be more suited 
for a detailed description.

You might like to look at <http://www.useit.com/papers/webwriting/>, 
especially the quick overview that Jacob highlights with "read this one first."

2) Do you think that you need an address for the studio? Or a map? Maybe a 
"how to get there?" type of page?

3) A couple of the graphics in the links page did not display well in 
Firebird 1.0.3. There also seems to be a broken image for "The Lincolnshire 
Site Page."

HTH

cheers,
Rob

At 18:26 25/04/05, you wrote:
>Thanks for all your comments regarding http://www.bluelizardstudio.co.uk
>
>It is very helpful.
>Phil
>www.lycosa.co.uk
>
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From info at internetvraagbaak.nl  Wed Apr 27 11:47:31 2005
From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Jeroen Wijers)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:47:31 +0200
Subject: [thelist] embed wmv movies firefox
References: <AE41A047B7D04D479F1420CF5C596E3A0BAFDE@bart.adm.gu.se>
	<000601c54b19$ec6959c0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	<6a81c23005042708153d2a4fa0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001c54b48$ce2ab100$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>

thank you all, i will try and see what might be "wrong" with my firefox --> 
mplayer

Jeroen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Ngo" <chilijoe at gmail.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] embed wmv movies firefox


> <embed> might not be for the purist, but it seems to be widely supported.
>
> I have a site that uses <embed src="mymovie.wmv" width="XXXpx"
> height="YYYpx"></embed>
>
> Works fine in IE, Firefox & Opera in Win2k & XP. Also works in Firefox
> & Konqueror with mplayer in Linux (can't remember if I've tried in
> Opera).
>
> On 4/27/05, Jeroen Wijers <info at internetvraagbaak.nl> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I have this on my website: www.chatbots.biz/English/index.htm
>> But it won;t play in firefox..on win xp.
>> On the other pages it does not even display a player screen.... so i
>> "solved" that...
>> But now what i wrong?
>>   <object id="MyWMPlayer"
>>                   classid="clsid:6BF52A52-394A-11d3-B153-00C04F79FAA6"
>>                   height="260"
>>                   width="320">
>>           <param name="uiMode" value="full" />
>>           <param name="autoStart" value="true" />
>>           <param name="URL" value="english_wmv/welcome.wmv" />
>>     <embed type="application/x-mplayer2"
>> pluginspage = "http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/"
>> id="MyWMPLayer"
>> name="www.aiml.nl/English/english_wmv/welcome.wmv"
>> width="320"
>> height="260"
>> autostart="true">
>> </embed>         </object>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jeroen
>>
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From keith at digital-crew.com  Wed Apr 27 12:01:11 2005
From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:01:11 +0100
Subject: [thelist] embed wmv movies firefox
In-Reply-To: <426F9EBE.2080100@weeb.biz>
References: 	<AE41A047B7D04D479F1420CF5C596E3A0BAFDE@bart.adm.gu.se><000601c54b19$ec6959c0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	<426F7E56.1040808@digital-crew.com>
	<000f01c54b27$2a5a83f0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83> <426F9EBE.2080100@weeb.biz>
Message-ID: <426FC557.9050708@digital-crew.com>

James Hardy wrote:

> Jeroen Wijers wrote:
> 
>> I tried this
>>   <object type="video/x-ms-wmv" id="MyWMPPlayer" width="320" 
>> height="260">
>>                  <param name="uiMode" value="full" />
>>          <param name="autoStart" value="true" />
>>          <param name="URL" value="english_wmv/welcome.wmv" />
>>  </object>
>>
>> But with no result really. the movie screen will show on both Ie en 
>> Firefox but not play in one of them.
>> Tried it too with the extra embed tags but with no luck...
> 
> I've never tried with wmv, but I know that with some other media formats 
> (3gp for example)  adding a data attribute to the object element works so:

Ack! You're right! That's what I get for cutting and pasting!

K.

From keith at digital-crew.com  Wed Apr 27 12:23:53 2005
From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:23:53 +0100
Subject: [thelist] XSLT: escaping CDATA
In-Reply-To: <426C5100.9040506@crispen.org>
References: <426C5100.9040506@crispen.org>
Message-ID: <426FCAA9.5010904@digital-crew.com>

Bob & Kelly Crispen - Web Builders' Toolkit wrote:

> I've got a little XSLT ruleset that converts XBEL to XHTML at 
> <http://www.crispen.org/sync/rr.xsl.txt>.  I drive it via PHP at 
> <http://www.crispen.org/sync/rr-bookmarks.txt> and the result is 
> <http://www.crispen.org/sync/>.
> 
> The problem is, I've got a CDATA section in the XSLT script, but the 
> XSLT processor consumes it (good thing, since the CSS it wraps doesn't 
> look anything like XML) so that I'm left with
> 
>     <style type="text/css">
>       /**/
> 
> and
> 
>       /* */
>     </style>
> 
> Is there any way to escape the CDATA?  CDATA sections can't be nested 
> unless I'm totally misreading things.
> 
> Any ideas?

Simple: Don't bother with them. No really, don't. I can't emphasise this
enough.

<tip title="CDATA sections aren't special">
There is nothing, and I mean nothing, about CDATA sections that
distinguishes them from regular text, no logical difference between

     <![CDATA[<blah>]]>

and

     &lt;blah&gt;

None. CDATA was meant as a shortcut for people writing XML docs by
hand and nothing more. Your best bet is to just spit out whatever
you want and make sure it's properly encoded, which it ought to be
anyway.

BTW, in case anybody thinks I'm talking through my hat, take a read
of what Tim Bray has to say on the matter[1] in his Annoted XML
Specification[2] in section 2.7 (first technical explaination). And
if that doesn't convince you, take a read of Ned Batchelder's
explaination[3].

[1] http://www.xml.com/axml/notes/CDsects.html
[2] http://www.xml.com/axml/testaxml.htm
[3] http://www.nedbatchelder.com/blog/20040908T082607.html
</tip>

K.

From blumeneau at aboutaudrey.com  Wed Apr 27 12:45:04 2005
From: blumeneau at aboutaudrey.com (Audrey Blumeneau)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:45:04 -0700
Subject: [thelist] ShopSite experience?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050427005526.02bacb00@n4277491.securesites.net
 >
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050426164801.03539690@mail.gogabriel.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20050426164801.03539690@mail.gogabriel.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050427104438.04408120@mail.aboutaudrey.com>

That is good to hear - I will pass this on to my client!

Thank you!

Cheers,
Audrey



At 12:56 AM 4/27/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>It is fairly easy to use and to customize, provided you know HTML and 
>basics of programing. Their tech support is quite good depending on who 
>you get hosting from.
>Scott Wolpow
>
>At 04:49 PM 26/04/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>>Greetings,
>>
>>I have a client who has asked me what I know - pros and cons - of a 
>>shopping cart system called "ShopSite".
>>
>>I am wondering if any of you have had any experience with it and, if so, 
>>what your thoughts are about it - do you like it?  Are customers using it 
>>happy?
>>
>>For background, my client has products that require the buyer to select 
>>style, color and size of an item to be purchased (which then determines 
>>the price of said item) and thus needs a system that would be flexible 
>>(and easy) to set up.
>>
>>Thanks for any feedback (or recommendations).
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Audrey
>>
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From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 12:55:25 2005
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:55:25 +0300
Subject: [thelist] 
 [OT] Is fixing on a certain platform/programming language good or bad?
Message-ID: <dfc81b09050427105571224d62@mail.gmail.com>

Hi an off-topic question that has been pondering in my mind from the
time I began my professional life. I am sure you have had (and you may
still have) similar thoughts before:

I am more of a web application developer, and a bit of web designer.

My question is,

is focusing on a certain platform and programming language (say J2EE /
Java ) and learning every bit and piece of it, mastering in it and
eventually becoming a guru of that language/platform

or 

swapping between several platforms (say Java / J2EE and C# / .Net) better?

That is to say shall one be "the best" of a certain thing. Or shall he
know bits and pieces of several things at the same time? Of course
s/he should focus on a certain field (it is impossible master in Web
Programming / Design and MFC Component Development  concurrently).

What I ask is "is expanding the spectrum  (learn c#, learn php, learn
jsp/j2ee, learn coldfusion) good or bad?"

Here is my logic: 
Well for the time being, I code J2EE in proffessional life, and most
of the challenges I face are in conceptual level. That is to say, they
can be either implemented in framework X or in framework Y. So
designing the pseudo-logic is the -let us say the "engineering" of it-
is the hardest part. Implementation is not a big issue.

But the facts of life are somewhat different: 
If I resign my job (or say my boss kicks my ass) and look for another job:
Saying 
"Hey I've coded in J2EE environment for several years and it's true
that I do not know any single bit of c#. But I've mastered a lot of
things at conceptual level. I will learn faster than an average
individual."

will lose while

"Hey, I know J2EE best, but I code C# at home as a hobby. I know most
tips and tricks of .net platform at least as well as an average
employee of yours know. It will take some time as per the transition
period, but it's not a big issue for me. I'll be fully efficient
within X weeks."

is a winning one. 

Hope I'm clear on expressing my thoughts.

Any opinions?

cheers,
Volkan.

From michaelproy at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 13:18:53 2005
From: michaelproy at gmail.com (Mike Roy)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:18:53 -0400
Subject: [thelist] [OT] Is fixing on a certain platform/programming
	language good or bad?
In-Reply-To: <dfc81b09050427105571224d62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dfc81b09050427105571224d62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b0da944405042711188998c0c@mail.gmail.com>

Once a year or so, I have an existential crisis about being a
jack-of-all-trades and master of none. I'm kind of like an old-school
webmaster, riding the fence between developer and designer.

Every time, my friends tell me it's better and more employable to be
the way I am than to get to know every detail of a certain platform or
discipline. For the most part, I've been glad for the flexibility and
the joy of learning new stuff (XSLT this month) and this suits my
short attention span and need for new challenges ... but there are
times that I wish I could get REALLY good at one thing.

I think you could find happiness and success down either road, but the
important thing would be to decide and make yourself comfortable about
the decision. Be clear about the pros and cons of either choice. That
way you won't get *too* stressed when an opportunity comes up that
would've suited the choice you didn't make. ;-)

HTH,
- Mike

On 4/27/05, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K <volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi an off-topic question that has been pondering in my mind from the
> time I began my professional life. I am sure you have had (and you may
> still have) similar thoughts before:
> 
> I am more of a web application developer, and a bit of web designer.
> 
> My question is,
> 
> is focusing on a certain platform and programming language (say J2EE /
> Java ) and learning every bit and piece of it, mastering in it and
> eventually becoming a guru of that language/platform
> 
> or
> 
> swapping between several platforms (say Java / J2EE and C# / .Net) better?
> 
> That is to say shall one be "the best" of a certain thing. Or shall he
> know bits and pieces of several things at the same time? Of course
> s/he should focus on a certain field (it is impossible master in Web
> Programming / Design and MFC Component Development  concurrently).
> 
> What I ask is "is expanding the spectrum  (learn c#, learn php, learn
> jsp/j2ee, learn coldfusion) good or bad?"
> 
> Here is my logic:
> Well for the time being, I code J2EE in proffessional life, and most
> of the challenges I face are in conceptual level. That is to say, they
> can be either implemented in framework X or in framework Y. So
> designing the pseudo-logic is the -let us say the "engineering" of it-
> is the hardest part. Implementation is not a big issue.
> 
> But the facts of life are somewhat different:
> If I resign my job (or say my boss kicks my ass) and look for another job:
> Saying
> "Hey I've coded in J2EE environment for several years and it's true
> that I do not know any single bit of c#. But I've mastered a lot of
> things at conceptual level. I will learn faster than an average
> individual."
> 
> will lose while
> 
> "Hey, I know J2EE best, but I code C# at home as a hobby. I know most
> tips and tricks of .net platform at least as well as an average
> employee of yours know. It will take some time as per the transition
> period, but it's not a big issue for me. I'll be fully efficient
> within X weeks."
> 
> is a winning one.
> 
> Hope I'm clear on expressing my thoughts.
> 
> Any opinions?
> 
> cheers,
> Volkan.
> --
> 
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From keith at digital-crew.com  Wed Apr 27 13:50:16 2005
From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:50:16 +0100
Subject: [thelist]  [OT] Is fixing on a certain platform/programming
	language good or bad?
In-Reply-To: <dfc81b09050427105571224d62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dfc81b09050427105571224d62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <426FDEE8.1060408@digital-crew.com>

VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote:

> Hi an off-topic question that has been pondering in my mind from the
> time I began my professional life. I am sure you have had (and you may
> still have) similar thoughts before:
> 
> I am more of a web application developer, and a bit of web designer.
> 
> My question is,
> 
> is focusing on a certain platform and programming language (say J2EE /
> Java ) and learning every bit and piece of it, mastering in it and
> eventually becoming a guru of that language/platform

It's useful in the short term, but in the long term not a good idea. We
are, unfortunately, at the mercy of fashion.

> or 
> 
> swapping between several platforms (say Java / J2EE and C# / .Net) better?

Yes and no, but I'll come to that later.

> That is to say shall one be "the best" of a certain thing. Or shall he
> know bits and pieces of several things at the same time? Of course
> s/he should focus on a certain field (it is impossible master in Web
> Programming / Design and MFC Component Development  concurrently).

What's better is to become a better programmer in general, and one of
the best ways of doing that is to learn a programming language that's
completely different from what you're used to.

For instance, if you've been a Java programmer for a long time and
you've little or no experience with functional languages, go learn
a functional language like Haskell, ML, Scheme, or Lisp.

Written Assembly all your life? Go learn Prolog, Oz, Mercury, or some
other constraint-based programming language.

Developed apps in C++ for a long time? Learn ColdFusion or something
like that. Or Ruby, Python, Perl, or something.

The point of this isn't to have more languages to put on your CV, but
to expose yourself to more ways of thinking about a problem, giving you
more angles to approach it from. This is one of the most valuable tools
a developer can have in their toolbox.

Go buy a copy of "Code Complete" and "The Pragmatic Programmer". While
you're at it, you ought to get "The Practice of Programming" and
"Programming Pearls". You'll learn more from those books than you ever
could in any CS course.

Its rather trivial for a decent programmer to move from one environment
to another. The jump from Java to .NET and vis versa is near nil. If
you've ever done any web development before, or even if you're just a
programmer who gets the way clients and servers communicate on the web,
PHP can be picked up in a day. The same goes for ColdFusion.

> What I ask is "is expanding the spectrum  (learn c#, learn php, learn
> jsp/j2ee, learn coldfusion) good or bad?"

These are all perfectly good things to learn.

> Here is my logic: 
> Well for the time being, I code J2EE in proffessional life, and most
> of the challenges I face are in conceptual level. That is to say, they
> can be either implemented in framework X or in framework Y. So
> designing the pseudo-logic is the -let us say the "engineering" of it-
> is the hardest part. Implementation is not a big issue.

Then what you need to learn is langauges implementing other paradigms.

And you don't have to go far. There's one utterly underappreciated one
sitting in your browser right now: JavaScript. You could do worse than
to learn the ins and outs of it, and I'm not talking about the DOM or
that crap, but about the likes of closures, prototype-based programming,
lambda calculus, and so on. When you learn, play with, and finally grok
these, you'll be a better programmer for it.

> But the facts of life are somewhat different: 
> If I resign my job (or say my boss kicks my ass) and look for another job:
> Saying 
> "Hey I've coded in J2EE environment for several years and it's true
> that I do not know any single bit of c#. But I've mastered a lot of
> things at conceptual level. I will learn faster than an average
> individual."
> 
> will lose while
> 
> "Hey, I know J2EE best, but I code C# at home as a hobby. I know most
> tips and tricks of .net platform at least as well as an average
> employee of yours know. It will take some time as per the transition
> period, but it's not a big issue for me. I'll be fully efficient
> within X weeks."
> 
> is a winning one. 

If you're being interviewed by a developer, which is what a lot of
companies do. All those ads you see asking for people with x years
of experience with languages y and z in environments p, q, and r
are written by people without a clue about development, that is
HR types and the like. It's all well and fine knowing all those
languages to get you foot in the door, but it's not going to help
you when you're in there. Knowing programming languages isn't
important. What *is* important is knowing *how*, and how to do it
well.

I've seen far too many instances of people who've portrayed themselves
as knowing such-and-such a language, but just haven't been able to
program real code. And that's just in my professional life. If you
want examples of what I mean, go take a look at The Daily WTF[1].

In summary, learn to become a better programmer, not to make your
CV look better. If you do the former, the latter will follow naturally.

K.

[1]


From dwain at alforddesigngroup.com  Wed Apr 27 15:09:59 2005
From: dwain at alforddesigngroup.com (dwain at alforddesigngroup.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:09:59 -0500
Subject: [thelist]  [OT] Is fixing on a certain platform/programming
	language good or bad?
In-Reply-To: <426FDEE8.1060408@digital-crew.com>
References: <dfc81b09050427105571224d62@mail.gmail.com>
	<426FDEE8.1060408@digital-crew.com>
Message-ID: <426FF197.9020608@alforddesigngroup.com>

Keith Gaughan wrote:
> VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote:
> 
>> Hi an off-topic question that has been pondering in my mind from the
>> time I began my professional life. I am sure you have had (and you may
>> still have) similar thoughts before:
>>

where's the ot tip? ;^)

thanks for the question and answer.  i make an attempt at web design and 
know squat about programming, but i'm feeling the call.  some may say 
i'm hearing a bit late in life, but i need to do web developing, not 
necessarily because i want to, but i have to for survival.

i began as a wysiwyger and have been using css for almost a year.  a 
couple of months ago i had an epiphany on css and i have had a pretty 
good handle on it since.  i don't know all the ins and outs, but i can 
use it to design a page.

i have become interested in using a cms.  again, i'm no programmer, but 
i know that to use this i have to learn programming.  see what i mean by 
survival?  this is all new and exciting to me and i hope i have the 
patience to hang on for the ride.

i appreciate the lists i am on for all of the things that i have been 
learning.  this list is usually so far over my head that i seem so 
small, but i know that when i do take the plunge i will have help as i 
muddle through trying to make sense of what i'm doing.

with much appreciation,
dwain

i don't have much knowledge about much of what is happening here so i 
don't have much for a tip.  i don't even know how to format it properly.
anyway:

<tip>the truth is the truth is the truth;
if a=b, then b=a. if a=b=c, then c=b=a.
the truth is true for everyone and every situation.
it is so from left to right, right to left, top to bottom
and bottom to top.  mathematics is the truth, even in
those equations that don't work out.
positives and negatives always agree and disagree.</tip>

-- 
Dwain Alford
http://www.alforddesigngroup.com

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From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 16:14:09 2005
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:14:09 +0300
Subject: [thelist] [OT] Is fixing on a certain platform/programming
	language good or bad?
In-Reply-To: <426FF197.9020608@alforddesigngroup.com>
References: <dfc81b09050427105571224d62@mail.gmail.com>
	 <426FDEE8.1060408@digital-crew.com>
	 <426FF197.9020608@alforddesigngroup.com>
Message-ID: <dfc81b0905042714146d35abd3@mail.gmail.com>

> 
> where's the ot tip? ;^)
> 
 
Sorry, I'm a newcomer in the list and I did not get used to the
undocumented rules of it. (if there is somewhere I can learn, or if
someone can tell me off-list, I'd appreciate. Currently I learn by
living it :) )

Here goes the tip:

<tip type="Getting rid of selects" author="Volkan Ozcelik">
As you may know the html <select>s render on the top of any element in
the page, regardless of the elements' z-index. So when you open a
DHTML pop-up layer if there is a select beneath it, the select will
render on the top of the layer, which is unpleasent visually and in
terms of usability.

Here is a DOM-compliant way to show/hide selects:

  function DOMController() {}

  DOMController.prototype.hideCombos = function() {
       var arCombo = document.getElementsByTagName("select");
       for(var i=0;i<arCombo.length;i++) {
           arCombo[i].style.visibility = "hidden";
       }
   };

   DOMController.prototype.showCombos = function() {
       var arCombo = document.getElementsByTagName("select");
       for(var i=0;i<arCombo.length;i++) {
           arCombo[i].style.visibility = "visible";
       }
   };

   var page = new DOMController();

....
and a possible usage illustration:

function showMyLovelyDHTMLLayer() {
     page.hideCombos();
     // do rest of the logic.
}

function hideMyLovelyDHTMLLayer() {
    // do whatsoever
    page.showCombos();
}

...

DOMController has been written as an object so that it can be extended
to suit your needs. The methods showCombos and hideCombos can be used
separately either.

</tip>

cheers,
Volkan.

From mattias at inreach.com  Wed Apr 27 16:31:52 2005
From: mattias at inreach.com (Mattias Thorslund)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:31:52 -0700
Subject: [thelist]  [OT] Is fixing on a certain platform/programming
	language good or bad?
In-Reply-To: <426FDEE8.1060408@digital-crew.com>
References: <dfc81b09050427105571224d62@mail.gmail.com>
	<426FDEE8.1060408@digital-crew.com>
Message-ID: <427004C8.7090209@inreach.com>


Keith Gaughan wrote:

>
> It's useful in the short term, but in the long term not a good idea. We
> are, unfortunately, at the mercy of fashion.


...and marketeering, yes.  The "fasion" in our industry is mostly driven 
by marketing folks who are big on talking and "light" on technology.

We've been given so many new "revolutionary" technologies that (I hope) 
we've become more sceptical of the hype by now.  When the hype over New 
Technology X calms down and people start using it, we'll see whether 
it's got some value.  Sometimes it does, but it's rarely as 
revolutionary as the hype suggests.

I used to get nervous over all the new stuff I didn't have the time to 
learn but no more.  I'll happily look at the next-to-latest stuff and 
see which ones are still around.

/Mattias

-- 
More views at http://www.thorslund.us



From alan at timberon.com  Wed Apr 27 19:45:43 2005
From: alan at timberon.com (Alan McGill)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:45:43 -0500
Subject: [thelist] display message that Javascript is needed without
	Javascript
Message-ID: <42703237.1040403@timberon.com>

Hi all,

I've been lurking and learning for a while. Thanks to all who contribute 
so much.

My question seems like a catch 22.
I've developed a page that has a message that the page needs javascript.
Then I have a routine that runs onload to hide the message. Users with 
javascript enabled see the message till the page loads. I'm looking for 
a way to have users with javascript enabled not have to see the message 
at all.

Any suggestions?

TIA
alan

From syoung at unitec.ac.nz  Wed Apr 27 19:59:07 2005
From: syoung at unitec.ac.nz (Stuart Young)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:59:07 +1200
Subject: [thelist] Web Biz
Message-ID: <s270de1d.087@gwia1.unitec.ac.nz>

Of course every business should have a blog, as Zeldman quotes
http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0305e.shtml
The question isn't, "Should your business have a blog?" Of course
your business should have a blog. The much more interesting question is,
"Should your blog have a business?"

Blogs are really good for SEO that's the main thing. Doesn't matter if
no-one but the client ever reads it, google will be watching. Also,
blogs are good for public relations in numerous ways on numerous
levels.

I'm also convinced that product update news should be published in blog
format - people will move to receiving this via RSS rather than email
updates. 

Blogs are also being extensively used in education for student personal
reflective diaries. 

cheers

--
Dr Stuart Young,       	+64 (0)9-815 4321 x 8656
<syoung at unitec.ac.nz> 	+64 021 183 2846 (mob)
Lecturer, School of Computing and Information Technology,
Unitec New Zealand, Auckland, New Zealand
http://tinyurl.com/4956o
(the official URL for my staffpage is too long and complex)
http://www.pixelandgrain.co.nz/
Web development, graphic design and photography

>>> headlemur at lemurzone.com 23/04/2005 03:56:49 >>>
Over the last few days a number of you have indicated that business is

getting better. This is of course great news.

Of this web work, are there any of you that are being approached about

setting up blogs(weblogs) for clients?

Are there any of you that are using blogs as your front door or as an 
adjunct to your web business?

Is it working?

alan herrell - the head lemur
http://theheadlemur.typepad.com/ravinglunacy/ 


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From skilic at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 20:13:57 2005
From: skilic at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?Serdar_K=FDl=FD=E7?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:13:57 +1000
Subject: [thelist] display message that Javascript is needed without
	Javascript
In-Reply-To: <42703237.1040403@timberon.com>
References: <42703237.1040403@timberon.com>
Message-ID: <9bff278605042718133b4fe3b@mail.gmail.com>

You can use <noscript>you don't have JavaScript, installed or 
enabled</noscript>

On 4/28/05, Alan McGill <alan at timberon.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been lurking and learning for a while. Thanks to all who contribute
> so much.
> 
> My question seems like a catch 22.
> I've developed a page that has a message that the page needs javascript.
> Then I have a routine that runs onload to hide the message. Users with
> javascript enabled see the message till the page loads. I'm looking for
> a way to have users with javascript enabled not have to see the message
> at all.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> TIA
> alan
> --
> 
> * * Please support the community that supports you. * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> 
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
> 



-- 
Cheers,
Serdar Kilic
http://weblog.kilic.net/

From keith at digital-crew.com  Wed Apr 27 20:14:23 2005
From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:14:23 +0100
Subject: [thelist] display message that Javascript is needed without
	Javascript
In-Reply-To: <42703237.1040403@timberon.com>
References: <42703237.1040403@timberon.com>
Message-ID: <427038EF.2020909@digital-crew.com>

Alan McGill wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been lurking and learning for a while. Thanks to all who contribute 
> so much.
> 
> My question seems like a catch 22.
> I've developed a page that has a message that the page needs javascript.
> Then I have a routine that runs onload to hide the message. Users with 
> javascript enabled see the message till the page loads. I'm looking for 
> a way to have users with javascript enabled not have to see the message 
> at all.

Look up the <noscript> tag. It's for content that's to be displayed if
scripting isn't enabled.

K.

From rich at richpoints.com  Thu Apr 28 00:25:09 2005
From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:25:09 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Flash Error - XML Not Successfully Loaded
Message-ID: <427073B5.4060508@richpoints.com>

Howdy,
First off I have to say I have almost no experience with Flash.  I'm 
working on a site that's using a Flash navigation, someone else prepared 
the SWF file and I'm just linking to it.  I'm getting and error where 
the navigation should be that says Error: XML Not Successfully Loaded. 

I'm using the following code

<object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,29,0" width="760" height="77">
  <param name="movie" value="../xml/xmlNav.swf">
  <param name="quality" value="high">
  <param name="wmode" value="transparent">
</object> 

I've tried using absolute paths but that doesn't work either. 

Here is one of the pages

http://floodsafety.com/test/texas/index.htm

How can I make this work?

Thanks
Rich

From morrison.ben at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 04:09:57 2005
From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:09:57 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Flash Error - XML Not Successfully Loaded
In-Reply-To: <427073B5.4060508@richpoints.com>
References: <427073B5.4060508@richpoints.com>
Message-ID: <6073aef9050428020925f80b57@mail.gmail.com>

> 
> First off I have to say I have almost no experience with Flash. I'mworking 
> on a site that's using a Flash navigation, someone else prepared
> 
the SWF file and I'm just linking to it. I'm getting and error where
> the navigation should be that says Error: XML Not Successfully Loaded.



It seems like the error you are receiving is a built in to the flash movie, 
your embed code should be fine.

The problem is that the flash file cannot load the external XML file, you 
will need to speak to the developer, or check out the .fla if you have been 
given it.

ben

From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Thu Apr 28 04:16:03 2005
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:16:03 +1000
Subject: [thelist] browser detection on server side
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BA10@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn
: Subject: RE: [thelist] browser detection on server side
: 
: On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 14:50 +1000, Ken Schaefer wrote:
: > Despite the zealots on the list, there is a reason why 
: > there is browser detection code running on the site 
: > (because the average person who uses it doesn't 
: > understand the ins-and-outs of how the various updating
: > processes work).
: 
: IMHO, if it's specific enough to a given OS that 
: it makes no sense to make it cross-browser or 
: cross-platform, it's specific enough to a given
: OS to write it as a program for that OS and get 
: rid of any pretense that it needs to be in a Web 
: browser (or pathetic rendition trying to
: masquerade as a Web browser) at all.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, a user that goes to visit the Office website to get some new templates,
some new art work, and a product update needs to launch a separate
application to get the latter piece of software? That's really user friendly.
Oh, and re-inventing the wheel (by having a separate executable to update
Office) doesn't contribute to "code bloat" does it?(which seems to be another
of the favourite whinges). 

Shawn, you don't use the product. Your antipathy for Microsoft software is
well known. Why not just give it a rest?

Cheers
Ken

--
www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/

From mr.sanders at designshift.com  Thu Apr 28 08:50:25 2005
From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:50:25 -0300
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B9F3@kjserver1.kjhome.local>
References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B9F3@kjserver1.kjhome.local>
Message-ID: <4270EA21.2050702@designshift.com>

> : >    Well, my first reaction would be "why the heck did they design the
> : database this way", but since I doubt you have any control over that,
> : let's press on.
> : 
> : It actually makes perfect sense.  Each Job is from a different client,
> : upon which we are calling on THEIR lists for them.

Instead of having a different table for each clients' jobs, like this:

tblClientAJobs
--------------
JobID
JobTitle
etc

tblClientBJobs
--------------
JobID
JobTitle
etc

tblClientCJobs
--------------
JobID
JobTitle
etc

Just have a client table and a jobs table, like this:

tblClients
----------
ClientID
ClientName
etc

tblJobs
-------
JobID
ClientID
JobTitle
etc

Then you'd have a one to many relationship between tblClients and 
tblJobs. That's why we have relational databases - so we can create 
relationships between the tables.

To me, this feels like stating the obvious, but for someone just 
starting out with relational databases and data normalization, it 
probably isn't so obvious. Hopefully the OP is able (and allowed) to 
implement a simpler and more elegant solution than what he is currently 
working with.

-- 
sarah sweeney
web developer & programmer
my portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com
my blog: http://hardedge.ca
my family: http://geekjock.ca

From webguync at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 09:38:29 2005
From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:38:29 -0400
Subject: [thelist] problems transferring file(s) to server via FTP
Message-ID: <463b785d0504280738650b9404@mail.gmail.com>

I was hoping someone could give me some insite to a problem I am having.

Using DWMX2004 I am trying to transfer files via ftp to a server. The
server is located here at my building, and I have admin access to it.
The server is a  Windows 2003 machine running IIS 6.0.

FTP access has been set up and I have been given an administrator
username and password.

In DWMX2004 under manage sights/testing server, I can successfully
connect to the server, however, when I try to transfer files via ftp
to the server, I receive an error saying 'access denied - The file may
not exist or there is a permission problem' . I also tried
transferring with WS_FTP and could not do that either. I checked with
the person who originally set up the FTP access (our IT manager) and
he said he hasn't changed anything. I was originally able to ftp right
after I was set up, but haven't been able to since then.

anything I can check or try to get this working again?


TIA
-- 
::Bruce::

From Brian at hondaswap.com  Thu Apr 28 09:43:51 2005
From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:43:51 -0400
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <4270EA21.2050702@designshift.com>
References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B9F3@kjserver1.kjhome.local>
	<4270EA21.2050702@designshift.com>
Message-ID: <4270F6A7.7030705@hondaswap.com>

Sarah Sweeney wrote:

> Just have a client table and a jobs table, like this:


Sarah,

thanks for the suggestion, but its just not possible to do such a thing. 
  The tables are generated by our dialer software, and if they were all 
in one table, the wrong script would pop with the wrong job.

I sorta let this thread die, as i pretty much told them, its not 
possible (in the alloted time i have to play with it).

They aren't pleased, but oh well...


From spambait at onpointsolutions.com  Thu Apr 28 11:18:23 2005
From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:18:23 -0700
Subject: [thelist] problems transferring file(s) to server via FTP
In-Reply-To: <463b785d0504280738650b9404@mail.gmail.com>
References: <463b785d0504280738650b9404@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42710CCF.5080707@onpointsolutions.com>

Bruce Gilbert wrote:

> In DWMX2004 under manage sights/testing server, I can successfully
> connect to the server, however, when I try to transfer files via ftp
> to the server, I receive an error saying 'access denied - The file may
> not exist or there is a permission problem' . I also tried

It sounds like you can connect to the server over the LAN using a UNC 
path (\\server\my\directory) but can't connect to the same server using 
FTP. Are you attempting to ftp from with the same LAN that the server is 
located? Often you can't do that because many routers don't support 
loopback -- ie, sending a request out to the Net which is intended to 
come back to the same LAN. One way to tell is to set up your hosts file 
with the internal LAN IP for the ftp server and see if you can ftp using 
that internal IP. For instance, in your hosts file add:

192.168.0.5 ftp.myDomain.com

Alternatively, just change the ftp settings to point not to the server 
by name but just by its internal IP number. If still no luck, can you 
tell us what error message WS_FTP is reporting?

-- 
Regards,
Bob Haroche

OnPoint Solutions
www.OnPointSolutions.com




From rich at richpoints.com  Thu Apr 28 11:20:53 2005
From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:20:53 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Flash Error - XML Not Successfully Loaded - insanity
In-Reply-To: <6073aef9050428020925f80b57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <427073B5.4060508@richpoints.com>
	<6073aef9050428020925f80b57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42710D65.1090508@richpoints.com>


>It seems like the error you are receiving is a built in to the flash movie, 
>your embed code should be fine.
>
>The problem is that the flash file cannot load the external XML file, you 
>will need to speak to the developer, or check out the .fla if you have been 
>given it.
>
>  
>
I was told not to touch the .fla file.  So some weird stuff has been 
happening with this navigation file.  I've been working on this project 
for 4 days.  The first day the nav was working fine. The second day was 
intermittent, I ended the day with it working and finished by putting my 
computer on standby.  On the third day I still had cached pages that 
worked but the live site was not.  The fourth day, today, it wasn't 
working to start with but then it started working, now it's not working 
again.

Am I loosing my mind?  Is this what it's like to be insane?  I've asked 
the project manager if the Flash developer is still playing with the 
file, he tells me I am the only one working on the site right now.  The 
Flash developer is a volunteer who really struggled getting this to 
work. I can't help but think he is still playing with it trying to get 
it to work.

Anyway here is a page that works sometimes...do you see a Flash 
navigation?  http://floodsafety.com/test/texas/index.html

Why is this happening?

Thanks
Rich

From ian at zstudio.co.uk  Thu Apr 28 11:28:31 2005
From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:28:31 +0100
Subject: [thelist] problems transferring file(s) to server via FTP
In-Reply-To: <463b785d0504280738650b9404@mail.gmail.com>
References: <463b785d0504280738650b9404@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42710F2F.7010901@zstudio.co.uk>

Bruce Gilbert wrote:

>
>In DWMX2004 under manage sights/testing server, I can successfully
>connect to the server, however, when I try to transfer files via ftp
>to the server, I receive an error saying 'access denied - The file may
>not exist or there is a permission problem' . I also tried
>transferring with WS_FTP and could not do that either. I checked with
>the person who originally set up the FTP access (our IT manager) and
>he said he hasn't changed anything. I was originally able to ftp right
>after I was set up, but haven't been able to since then.
>
Why are you using testing server? Are you working on dynamic pages such 
as ASP or PHP? If not, you should probably be using Remote Site instead.

When is the error appearing? What command in DW are you using to upload 
the files? Testing Server is only used for live previews of dynamic pages.

Have you tried doing the FTP setup under Manage Sites > Remote Site?

Cheers

Ian


From ian at zstudio.co.uk  Thu Apr 28 11:42:47 2005
From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:42:47 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Flash Error - XML Not Successfully Loaded - insanity
In-Reply-To: <42710D65.1090508@richpoints.com>
References: <427073B5.4060508@richpoints.com>
	<6073aef9050428020925f80b57@mail.gmail.com> <42710D65.1090508@richpoints.com>
Message-ID: <42711287.4050301@zstudio.co.uk>

Rich Points wrote:

>
> Anyway here is a page that works sometimes...do you see a Flash 
> navigation?  http://floodsafety.com/test/texas/index.html
>
> Why is this happening?
>
> Thanks
> Rich

Hi Rich,

the issue is sometimes to do with network latency - basically, it takes 
a few milliseconds for the file to load off your disk, and maybe one or 
two seconds for the data to load into the browser when the flash file is 
viewed from off the server. If the timeline is playing, (depending on 
frame rate set) it may have just one twelfth of a second to load the 
data, which is why it may work locally but not remotely.

The flash downloads first, then the request for the data is sent back to 
the server, and the Flash playhead may have moved on to another frame by 
the time the data returns - too late. It all depends how the Flash movie 
is structured and how the actionscript is written.

The developer should be pausing the timeline while the data has loaded 
and then once it has loaded move the playhead onto the relevant frame 
where the nav is displayed. There are good code samples on the 
Macromedia site and elsewhere, that show how to do this, including some 
neat stuff with callback functions.

Without seeing the original FLA, who knows, but the sort of thing you're 
describing where it works locally but not on the server is classic of 
this sort of issue.

You could post some of the actionscript, assuming you can find it in the 
timeline - if you didn't author it, it's like looking for the proverbial 
needle in a haystack. Or upload the fla somewhere so we can get it to 
take a look.

Hope this helps

Cheers

Ian


From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Thu Apr 28 11:51:18 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:51:18 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to turn off mysqld 3.23's automatic DATE update
	feature?
Message-ID: <20050428160537.C491B518627@mx1.nexiderm.com>

Yes, I know it's an old version (long story), but does anyone know how to
turn off the automatic date updating in mysqld 3.23?

I can't find any information about it.  But it's got to stop! ;-)

Thanks,

Jonathan Dillon-Hayes
---
Email: jonathan at boehm-ritter.com
http://www.Boehm-Ritter.com/


From keith at digital-crew.com  Thu Apr 28 11:57:27 2005
From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:57:27 +0100
Subject: [thelist] dynamic table sql question
In-Reply-To: <4270F6A7.7030705@hondaswap.com>
References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B9F3@kjserver1.kjhome.local>
	<4270EA21.2050702@designshift.com> <4270F6A7.7030705@hondaswap.com>
Message-ID: <427115F7.8030804@digital-crew.com>

Brian Cummiskey wrote:
> Sarah Sweeney wrote:
> 
>> Just have a client table and a jobs table, like this:
> 
> 
> 
> Sarah,
> 
> thanks for the suggestion, but its just not possible to do such a thing. 
>  The tables are generated by our dialer software, and if they were all 
> in one table, the wrong script would pop with the wrong job.
> 
> I sorta let this thread die, as i pretty much told them, its not 
> possible (in the alloted time i have to play with it).
> 
> They aren't pleased, but oh well...

Here's an idea, but it might be a pain to set up in the beginning:

Create a trigger on each one of the jobs tables on INSERTs (and maybe
UPDATEs and DELETEs too) that grabs the inserted record and puts it in
your One-True-Jobs-Table. This way it can interoperate with your
dialler (I'm rightpondian, BTW) software, and you can write nice clean
code!

The pain isn't writing the trigger code, it's that it's subtly different
for each one. I say that you write out a template of the trigger, and
then write a small script to generate the code needed to put the
triggers on each table.

K.

From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 12:21:46 2005
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:21:46 +0300
Subject: [thelist] [OT] Is fixing on a certain platform/programming
	language good or bad?
In-Reply-To: <427004C8.7090209@inreach.com>
References: <dfc81b09050427105571224d62@mail.gmail.com>
	 <426FDEE8.1060408@digital-crew.com> <427004C8.7090209@inreach.com>
Message-ID: <dfc81b090504281021ccd977e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for sharing your ideas.

I think I'm going through a process of self-evaluation and self-criticism.

What I decided is that: going my way is going my way. And I don't care
anything (including but not limited to job opportunities, money etc.)
but my happiness. I mean I will follow the road which makes me happy
(we have at most 1 lives to live - if you do not believe in
re-incarnation :) )

As far as I know myself; I love learning, I love learning different
things. I love to suck knowledge like a sponge. It doesn't matter what
I learn; be it tai-chi, total quality management, caro cann defence in
chess, mikado, ecmascript or java. I love to learn all aspects of
life; I love to enhance my vision.

I will follow the road with yellow bricks. And as Keith said I believe
success will come afterwards.

Thank you for all the motivation you have given me.

Have a nice day,
Volkan.  



On 4/28/05, Mattias Thorslund <mattias at inreach.com> wrote:
> 
> Keith Gaughan wrote:
> 
> >
> > It's useful in the short term, but in the long term not a good idea. We
> > are, unfortunately, at the mercy of fashion.
> 
> ...and marketeering, yes.  The "fasion" in our industry is mostly driven
> by marketing folks who are big on talking and "light" on technology.
> 
> We've been given so many new "revolutionary" technologies that (I hope)
> we've become more sceptical of the hype by now.  When the hype over New
> Technology X calms down and people start using it, we'll see whether
> it's got some value.  Sometimes it does, but it's rarely as
> revolutionary as the hype suggests.
> 
> I used to get nervous over all the new stuff I didn't have the time to
> learn but no more.  I'll happily look at the next-to-latest stuff and
> see which ones are still around.
> 
> /Mattias
> 
> --
> More views at http://www.thorslund.us
> 
> 
> --
> 
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From chris at logorocks.com  Thu Apr 28 12:28:45 2005
From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:28:45 +0100
Subject: [thelist] CSS image replacement
Message-ID: <78f6597438393190d5bd48668204f892@logorocks.com>

Dear list,

I'm finishing off a client's website; the navigation uses rollover 
images (because I like beautiful things).  Is the "Fahrner" image 
replacement technique the best way to make the nav more accessible?  Or 
is there some superior method?

Kind regards,
CK.


From fuzzylizard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 12:31:13 2005
From: fuzzylizard at gmail.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:31:13 -0400
Subject: [thelist] How to turn off mysqld 3.23's automatic DATE update
	feature?
In-Reply-To: <20050428160537.C491B518627@mx1.nexiderm.com>
References: <20050428160537.C491B518627@mx1.nexiderm.com>
Message-ID: <a72f311050428103148c43e53@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/28/05, Jonathan Dillon <jdillon at boehm-ritter.com> wrote:
> Yes, I know it's an old version (long story), but does anyone know how to
> turn off the automatic date updating in mysqld 3.23?
> 
> I can't find any information about it.  But it's got to stop! ;-)
> 

Automatic date update? Are you talking about TimeStamps? The default
behaviour for timestamps is to be updated everytime that the record is
modified. I am not sure what you the problem is, can you be more
specific?

-- 
chris johnston

www.fuzzylizard.com

"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals and
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, we
learned to talk."
Pink Floyd

From discuss at alphanumeric.cz  Thu Apr 28 12:46:00 2005
From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:46:00 +0200
Subject: [thelist] CSS image replacement
In-Reply-To: <78f6597438393190d5bd48668204f892@logorocks.com>
References: <78f6597438393190d5bd48668204f892@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <42712158.5060808@alphanumeric.cz>

> Is the "Fahrner" image 
> replacement technique the best way to make the nav more accessible?  Or 
> is there some superior method?

DIR, Pixy's way, GIR, sIRF, Dynatext...
<http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ImageReplacement>

-- 
Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

From evolt at kasimir-k.fi  Thu Apr 28 12:46:27 2005
From: evolt at kasimir-k.fi (Kasimir K)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:46:27 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Flash Error - XML Not Successfully Loaded - insanity
In-Reply-To: <42710D65.1090508@richpoints.com>
References: <427073B5.4060508@richpoints.com>
	<6073aef9050428020925f80b57@mail.gmail.com> <42710D65.1090508@richpoints.com>
Message-ID: <42712173.3080201@kasimir-k.fi>

Rich Points scribeva in 2005-04-28 16:20:
> Anyway here is a page that works sometimes...do you see a Flash 
> navigation?  http://floodsafety.com/test/texas/index.html
> 
> Why is this happening?

Flash is not loading the XML file because the file isn't there...

This is what Firefoxes LiveHeaders tells:

http://www.floodsafety.com/crossdomain.xml

GET /crossdomain.xml HTTP/1.1
Host: www.floodsafety.com
...

HTTP/1.x 404 Not Found
...

If you put crossdomain.xml in the site's root, then the xmlNav.swf might 
load it (if it has time, as previous poster noted).

.k

From webguync at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 12:49:04 2005
From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:49:04 -0400
Subject: [thelist] problems transferring file(s) to server via FTP
In-Reply-To: <42710F2F.7010901@zstudio.co.uk>
References: <463b785d0504280738650b9404@mail.gmail.com>
	 <42710F2F.7010901@zstudio.co.uk>
Message-ID: <463b785d0504281049287a9ba4@mail.gmail.com>

I think I have this fixed guys. There was a problem with the folder
permissions on the server and it had nothing to do with my DW FTP
set-up or ftp settings on the server.

thx,

On 4/28/05, Ian Anderson <ian at zstudio.co.uk> wrote:
> Bruce Gilbert wrote:
> 
> >
> >In DWMX2004 under manage sights/testing server, I can successfully
> >connect to the server, however, when I try to transfer files via ftp
> >to the server, I receive an error saying 'access denied - The file may
> >not exist or there is a permission problem' . I also tried
> >transferring with WS_FTP and could not do that either. I checked with
> >the person who originally set up the FTP access (our IT manager) and
> >he said he hasn't changed anything. I was originally able to ftp right
> >after I was set up, but haven't been able to since then.
> >
> Why are you using testing server? Are you working on dynamic pages such
> as ASP or PHP? If not, you should probably be using Remote Site instead.
> 
> When is the error appearing? What command in DW are you using to upload
> the files? Testing Server is only used for live previews of dynamic pages.
> 
> Have you tried doing the FTP setup under Manage Sites > Remote Site?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ian
> 
> 


-- 
::Bruce::

From neal at constructweb.com  Thu Apr 28 12:49:39 2005
From: neal at constructweb.com (Neal Watkins)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:49:39 -0400
Subject: [thelist] CSS image replacement
Message-ID: <E1DRD8t-0000ZB-7o@sycorax.affordablehost.com>

I believe the "Phark" method is the top one at the moment - 
it usees a text ident that puts text off the page - but is readable when
style sheetts not applied - give it a google
-there are screen reader problems with Fahner - 

> Dear list,
> 
> I'm finishing off a client's website; the navigation uses rollover 
> images (because I like beautiful things).  Is the "Fahrner" image 
> replacement technique the best way to make the nav more accessible?  Or 
> is there some superior method?
> 
> Kind regards,
> CK.
> 
> -- 
> 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> 
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester 
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org 
> Workers of the Web, evolt ! 
> 
> 

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From evolt at axe.dircon.co.uk  Thu Apr 28 13:22:40 2005
From: evolt at axe.dircon.co.uk (Chris)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:22:40 +0100
Subject: [thelist] CFMX: user-specific menus
Message-ID: <427129F0.4060305@axe.dircon.co.uk>

Dear Evolters

I am designing a B2B web application in CFMX that will require granular, 
user->page level authentication.

After considering my options, I have decided on the following system:
- Assign each page an ID
- Embed ID in each .cfm page
- On login, query database-maintained user->page permission table and 
populate session array of permissible page IDs.
- On page access, check page ID exists in session array.

So far so good, I think.
Sessions will have 20 minute life, so this method should place more 
demands on RAM than on the DB, which is my preference, for performance; 
  this site not going to be supporting 1000s of concurrent sessions.

However, it is also a requirement that the menus be personalised so that 
certain pages are hidden from view on a user-by-user basis.
This may strike you as a silly requirement, as users could, 
theoretically, compare notes - "oh, when I log in I get such-and-such 
functionality - don't you?" - but humour me, please.

The menu will be a nested <UL>.

I am pondering how best to render the menu.
1. Build the entire menu via a DB query at the point of login, and cache 
entire string in session - maybe 4kb. Then <cfoutput> for every page.

2. Query DB on _every_ page access and build dynamically with <cfoutput 
query="..."> and <cfloop>. Would be best if combined with querying the 
DB to assess permissions on page access  (instead of caching in an 
array). But I can't help thinking this will be slower, given the need to 
execute query and loop though entries.

Obviously everything is a trade-off: processor v. RAM v. DB v. time.

Any other methods I could try?
- Don't want to put the menu in a frame.
- Application-scope XML rendered via session-scoped XSLT seems a bit OTT.

Cheers
-Chris


From discuss at alphanumeric.cz  Thu Apr 28 13:40:08 2005
From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:40:08 +0200
Subject: [thelist] CSS image replacement
In-Reply-To: <E1DRD8t-0000ZB-7o@sycorax.affordablehost.com>
References: <E1DRD8t-0000ZB-7o@sycorax.affordablehost.com>
Message-ID: <42712E08.9080906@alphanumeric.cz>

> it usees a text ident that puts text off the page - but is readable when
> style sheetts not applied

But breaks with img off... See the linked page.

-- 
Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

From nepolon at worlddomination.net  Thu Apr 28 14:11:04 2005
From: nepolon at worlddomination.net (Steve Lewis)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:11:04 -0700
Subject: [thelist] CFMX: user-specific menus
In-Reply-To: <427129F0.4060305@axe.dircon.co.uk>
References: <427129F0.4060305@axe.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <42713548.2030202@worlddomination.net>

Chris wrote:

> I am pondering how best to render the menu.
> 1. Build the entire menu via a DB query at the point of login, and cache 
> entire string in session - maybe 4kb. Then <cfoutput> for every page.
Why store the menu as a string?  You could store it as a struct, which 
is more flexible -> allows you to perform calculations/modificaitons on 
the menu options should the need arise.

> 2. Query DB on _every_ page access and build dynamically with <cfoutput 
> query="..."> and <cfloop>. Would be best if combined with querying the 
Unless you cache the unique user-menu-query (user A's menu is cached 
under a different query name than user B's menu) in the CF Query Cache, 
I would generally lean away from this.

> - Application-scope XML rendered via session-scoped XSLT seems a bit OTT.
Yuck.  XML should not be used for internal representations.  It's 
intended purpose is as a data transport medium.  Greater minds than ours 
have gone down this road and found the limitations.

-- 
Steve Lewis


From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Thu Apr 28 14:09:45 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:09:45 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to turn off mysqld 3.23's automatic DATE
	updatefeature?
In-Reply-To: <a72f311050428103148c43e53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050428182406.8731451899A@mx1.nexiderm.com>

>> On 4/28/05, Jonathan Dillon <jdillon at boehm-ritter.com> wrote:
>> Yes, I know it's an old version (long story), but does anyone know how 
>> to turn off the automatic date updating in mysqld 3.23?
>> 
>> I can't find any information about it.  But it's got to stop! ;-)
>> 
>
> Automatic date update? Are you talking about TimeStamps? The default
behaviour for timestamps is to be updated > everytime that the record is
modified. I am not sure what you the problem is, can you be more specific?

Sure!  

Yes, I'm talking about TimeStamps (sorry, pre-coffee).

The default behavior pre-mysql 4.1 (after which it seems we get a lot more
control over how it does this) is to update the first timestamp column in a
table if it's not explicitly updated with a value or the value is NULL.

This behavior is totally screwing up a ported db I'm working on, and I want
to disable it.  The documentation on Timestamps (the pre-4.1 bits) on the
mysql.com site says NOTHING about how to do this, and a hour of culling
googl results has yielded a fat 0 on dozens of seach terms.

I want to turn off autoupdate timestamps on 3.23, and I wonder if anyone out
there has a clue?  I'm really at a loss, but it's got to happen.

Thanks much for the reply Chris.  

Jonathan


From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Thu Apr 28 14:13:52 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:13:52 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Why won't my <h2> behave with floats?
Message-ID: <20050428182814.27ECF5189C5@mx1.nexiderm.com>


Howdy all:

I'm working on a quick site:
http://serverfire.com/

It's based on eZ Publish CMS, and I'm having a weird issue with layout.
Everything is working, and it's getting towards validation.

Meantime, I'm left with this annoying bug, and I can't figure it out fer me
life.  

The h2 elements on the site have a dotted underline, and the home page has a
float to the right for a couple of bullet points.  Normally with a float, I
should just be able to float: right and have the content flow around.  But
not so with these H2s.  I'm looking at
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/introduction07.htm and thinking,
"This should work."  But I'm sure there is something I am missing.

Would one of the CSS folks on the list be able to tell me why it's not
working?  Here is the code for the float:

#body #rightcolumn {
	float: right;
	border-top: 1px dotted #e7e7e7;
	border-left: 1px dotted #e7e7e7;
	float:right;
	width:166px;
	
	padding: 12px;
	padding-top: 12px;
	margin-top: 0;
	margin-left: 20px;
	margin-bottom: 20px;
	background: url(/design/serverfire/images/sf/sidebox_bg.gif)
no-repeat 0 2px;
	background-position: bottom right;
	background-color: #fff;
	margin-top: 24px;
	font-size: 90%;
}

Body looks like this:

body { padding: 0; margin: 0; font-size: 12px; font-family: tahoma,
sans-serif; letter-spacing: 1px; background: #cdcdcd; color: #454545; }

I'm at a loss.

Thanks tons!

Jonathan



Jonathan Dillon-Hayes
---
Email: jonathan at boehm-ritter.com
http://www.Boehm-Ritter.com/


From ian at zstudio.co.uk  Thu Apr 28 14:16:57 2005
From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:16:57 +0100
Subject: [thelist] CSS image replacement
In-Reply-To: <42712158.5060808@alphanumeric.cz>
References: <78f6597438393190d5bd48668204f892@logorocks.com>
	<42712158.5060808@alphanumeric.cz>
Message-ID: <427136A9.4050800@zstudio.co.uk>

Jan Brasna wrote:

>> Is the "Fahrner" image replacement technique the best way to make the 
>> nav more accessible?  Or is there some superior method?
>
>
> DIR, Pixy's way, GIR, sIRF, Dynatext...
> <http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ImageReplacement>
>
I have been working on accessible image replacement for nav bars for 
most of the week, as it happens.

That page gives some great references, but all current methods have 
*some* accessibility problems. Here are the things to assess any 
technique on:

1. Does the technique use display: none?
This breaks in screen readers (depending partly on whether the style 
sheet is imported or linked) because the real text is hidden to the 
screen reader too. You need techniques that
a. Use text-indent, padding or something else to move the text out of 
the container (but see below)
or
b. leave the text in place, but position the image over the text. These 
techniques typically rely on additional markup such as empty span tags 
in the element, or JavaScript to write a span dynamically as the page loads.

2. Does the technique work with CSS on/images off?
Using strategy 1a. above, this breaks the CSS on/images off case. No IR 
technique can be considered accessible if it fails this. In my view, 
techniques must use variants on 1b. to be remotely accessible.

3. Does the technique prevent the display of the focus rectangle?
I could not find any mention of this in connection with any IR technique 
and it is a serious limitation - one I think may be overcome. If the 
replaced element is a link, and you use either 1a or 1b strategies, the 
focus rectangle is hidden; either it is out of the 'viewport' or it is 
behind the image. Either way, you have created what is likely to be a 
serious barrier to using the site for any sighted users that navigate by 
the keyboard. In my view, this makes any existing IR technique fail any 
reasonable definition of basic accessibility if the replaced elements 
are linked.

4. Does the technique allow the user to change the displayed colours and 
type size of the replaced elements?
The very fact of using images instead of text means that any IR 
technique will probably fail this one. In implementing the technique, if 
you have a style sheet switcher that allows the selection if larger type 
sizes, you can consider providing different images too and changing both 
the displayed images and the font size when the style sheets are 
switched. You could also consider providing an option in the UI that 
allows the user to turn off image replacement, to allow user defined 
colours and font choices to be observed on the page.

I have uploaded my current test to http://zstudio.co.uk/zir; please feel 
free to give it a whirl. The example has no style sheet switcher, but 
this project will have one when it is completed. I will write up my 
findings in due course, as I think they may be of help to other people 
attempting this.

In order to alleviate keyboard navigation problems, the example attempts 
to use :focusand :active to swap the IR backgrounds on the main nav. The 
background image has three states; off, active and active with 'focus 
rectangle'. The active state is used for the current section and for 
hover states. The active with focus state is used when the link is 
tabbed to. It seems a bit flakey, often failing in Win IE 6 which is the 
very browser it needs to work in, of course. It works great in Firefox, 
of course.

I am building it at this very moment, but the "Barristers" image shows 
the principle in action. The other images will be uploaded soon.

Any feedback is most welcome.

HTH

Cheers

Ian


From rich at richpoints.com  Thu Apr 28 14:22:30 2005
From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:22:30 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Flash Error - XML Not Successfully Loaded - insanity
In-Reply-To: <42712173.3080201@kasimir-k.fi>
References: <427073B5.4060508@richpoints.com>
	<6073aef9050428020925f80b57@mail.gmail.com> <42710D65.1090508@richpoints.com>
	<42712173.3080201@kasimir-k.fi>
Message-ID: <427137F6.8080002@richpoints.com>

..

>
> If you put crossdomain.xml in the site's root, then the xmlNav.swf 
> might load it (if it has time, as previous poster noted).
>
So I put together this http://www.floodsafety.com/test/crossdomain.xml

but that doesn't seem to do anything.  Do I need to add something more 
to that file?

From hassan at webtuitive.com  Thu Apr 28 14:43:09 2005
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:43:09 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to turn off mysqld 3.23's automatic DATE
	updatefeature?
In-Reply-To: <20050428182406.8731451899A@mx1.nexiderm.com>
References: <20050428182406.8731451899A@mx1.nexiderm.com>
Message-ID: <42713CCD.4020507@webtuitive.com>

Jonathan Dillon wrote:

> Yes, I'm talking about TimeStamps (sorry, pre-coffee).
> 
> The default behavior pre-mysql 4.1 (after which it seems we get a lot more
> control over how it does this) is to update the first timestamp column in a
> table if it's not explicitly updated with a value or the value is NULL.
> 
> This behavior is totally screwing up a ported db I'm working on, and I want
> to disable it.  The documentation on Timestamps (the pre-4.1 bits) on the
> mysql.com site says NOTHING about how to do this,

Probably because you can't :-)

But you can get around it by explicitly assigning a value to the
field when you update the row, e.g

   UPDATE myTable SET tsCol = tsCol, foo = 'bar' WHERE...

On the other hand, if you don't want TIMESTAMP behavior from a
TIMESTAMP column, maybe you should just change it to a DATETIME :-)

FWIW,
-- 
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

                           dream.  code.



From jason at designshift.com  Thu Apr 28 14:47:32 2005
From: jason at designshift.com (Jason Sweeney)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:47:32 -0300
Subject: [thelist] Why won't my <h2> behave with floats?
In-Reply-To: <20050428182814.27ECF5189C5@mx1.nexiderm.com>
References: <20050428182814.27ECF5189C5@mx1.nexiderm.com>
Message-ID: <42713DD4.3000405@designshift.com>

The *text* of the h2 elements do to wrap around (or would if you had an 
h2 elements with enough text to wrap) -- it's the *block-level element* 
that's not "wrapping". If you edit your source to have a multi-line h2 
header, you'll see that the text does wrap around the floated element.

However, the block that contains the h2 element is still spanning the 
same distance. The border-bottom that you have put in place is styling 
the block-level element, not the wrapping text. Net result -- the border 
running under the floated element.

The joys of CSS. :-)

The problem is when you start thinking of it as an "underline" to the 
text, rather than a border to a block-level element. That border just 
don't care what the text is doing.

This one has bitten me a couple of times too.

jason sweeney
jason.designshift.com


Jonathan Dillon wrote:
> Howdy all:
> 
> I'm working on a quick site:
> http://serverfire.com/
> 
> It's based on eZ Publish CMS, and I'm having a weird issue with layout.
> Everything is working, and it's getting towards validation.
> 
> Meantime, I'm left with this annoying bug, and I can't figure it out fer me
> life.  
> 
> The h2 elements on the site have a dotted underline, and the home page has a
> float to the right for a couple of bullet points.  Normally with a float, I
> should just be able to float: right and have the content flow around.  But
> not so with these H2s.  I'm looking at
> http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/introduction07.htm and thinking,
> "This should work."  But I'm sure there is something I am missing.
> 
> Would one of the CSS folks on the list be able to tell me why it's not
> working?  Here is the code for the float:
> 
> #body #rightcolumn {
> 	float: right;
> 	border-top: 1px dotted #e7e7e7;
> 	border-left: 1px dotted #e7e7e7;
> 	float:right;
> 	width:166px;
> 	
> 	padding: 12px;
> 	padding-top: 12px;
> 	margin-top: 0;
> 	margin-left: 20px;
> 	margin-bottom: 20px;
> 	background: url(/design/serverfire/images/sf/sidebox_bg.gif)
> no-repeat 0 2px;
> 	background-position: bottom right;
> 	background-color: #fff;
> 	margin-top: 24px;
> 	font-size: 90%;
> }
> 
> Body looks like this:
> 
> body { padding: 0; margin: 0; font-size: 12px; font-family: tahoma,
> sans-serif; letter-spacing: 1px; background: #cdcdcd; color: #454545; }
> 
> I'm at a loss.
> 
> Thanks tons!
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Dillon-Hayes
> ---
> Email: jonathan at boehm-ritter.com
> http://www.Boehm-Ritter.com/
> 

From roel.mulder at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 15:02:35 2005
From: roel.mulder at gmail.com (Roel Mulder)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:02:35 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Mysterious websites and referers
Message-ID: <3cda48880504281302cd1ebd4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
Since yesterday we get referers from websites that actually don't
refer to our domain. Requests are made by the hour, at 38 minutes past
each hour. The websites are hosted under divers domains:

(please remove the # as I wont give them the pleasure of providing
working hyperlinks)

http://cow.oxso#.net/
http://continue.oxso#.net/
http://conter.blackdaddy#.net/
http://cooro.freewebpage#.org/

404's are directed to http://free-web-host#.net/FAQ.html or
http://www.freewebpage#.org/docs/errors/404.htm

These sites have the common feature that there are many hyperlinks to
documents in the webroot, these hyperlinks seem to be random. Texts on
these pages appear elsewehere on the internet.

E.g. : http://continue.oxso#.net/saitpd.html and
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+bite+of+the+Tarantula+may+not+provoke%22

Or http://continue.oxso#.net/saitpd.html and
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Must+we+take+these+queer+things+seriously+or+laugh+at+them%22

So my questions are:

- Does anyone else find referers like these?
- Why would anybody take the trouble operating those websites?
- How come requests originate from those websites without hyperlinks
to the requested website?

Cheers,
Roel

From discuss at alphanumeric.cz  Thu Apr 28 15:25:58 2005
From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:25:58 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Mysterious websites and referers
In-Reply-To: <3cda48880504281302cd1ebd4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3cda48880504281302cd1ebd4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <427146D6.5020307@alphanumeric.cz>

That's called referer spoofing or spaming - some sites display recent 
referers, so these robots spoof the referer header to get listed on that 
pages, it's just SEO spam...

-- 
Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

From albert.shala at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 15:30:14 2005
From: albert.shala at gmail.com (Albert Shala)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:30:14 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Drop-Down lists using PHP and mySQL
Message-ID: <99a55a5405042813307ecacfa5@mail.gmail.com>

I want to create a drop-down list, which is poplulated from a mySQL 
database, and give the user to choose from the list, when entering their 
details on the form, kind of like a registration form, and as soon as they 
click on submit, to move on to the second page, where all thier details, as 
selected in the previous form are shown, and have a button that says finish 
and this will be displayed on another page.... does anyone know how this 
could be done or have tutorial they can send me, it's urgent!!!!
 Thank You!

From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Thu Apr 28 15:34:31 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:34:31 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to turn off mysqld 3.23's automatic
	DATEupdatefeature?
In-Reply-To: <42713CCD.4020507@webtuitive.com>
Message-ID: <20050428194853.716EC518712@mx1.nexiderm.com>

> Probably because you can't :-)

Do you know that or are you just saying it?

> But you can get around it by explicitly assigning a value to the field
when you update the row, e.g
>   UPDATE myTable SET tsCol = tsCol, foo = 'bar' WHERE...

No can do partner.  We're talking about an application written by 4
programmers over as many years.  Large, sprawling, and... Um..... Yea.

> On the other hand, if you don't want TIMESTAMP behavior from a TIMESTAMP
column, maybe you should just change it to a DATETIME :-)

That's actually a fine idea.

Thanks for the reply Hassan.

Jonathan


From javascript at enure.net  Thu Apr 28 15:40:58 2005
From: javascript at enure.net (charles stuart)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:40:58 -0700
Subject: [thelist] PHP sessions timing out
Message-ID: <1254141432d700239828dcfc4bf5dbfd@enure.net>

Hi,

We have one lengthy page on a non-profit grant application. It's taking 
people quite a while to fill it out.

 From what people say it seems like they're cookies are timing out, and 
when they submit they are being kicked back out to the login screen. 
This makes them very mad.

I'm using the following code to set up the session:

<?
	session_name('phpses');
	session_start();
?>

I want the session to time out only if the user quits the browser.


Any help is much much appreciated.



best,

Charles




? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Page Ahead Children's Literacy Program
88 Spring Street, Suite 123
Seattle, WA  98104
www.pageahead.org


From lists at neptunewebworks.com  Thu Apr 28 15:44:53 2005
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:44:53 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Mysterious websites and referers
In-Reply-To: <3cda48880504281302cd1ebd4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3cda48880504281302cd1ebd4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42714B45.4030506@neptunewebworks.com>

Roel Mulder wrote:
> - Does anyone else find referers like these?
> - Why would anybody take the trouble operating those websites?
> - How come requests originate from those websites without hyperlinks
> to the requested website?

Referer spam.  Stupid attempt to get website owners looking at their 
traffic logs to go "hrm, what's that? <click>."  Also it gives links to 
their spammy domain from sites that make their logs public.

http://www.google.com/search?q=referer+spam

-- 
Maximillian Von Schwanekamp
http://www.neptunewebworks.com/


From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Thu Apr 28 15:49:08 2005
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:49:08 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Drop-Down lists using PHP and mySQL
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B08EB91BA@nemesis>

[snip]
I want to create a drop-down list, which is poplulated from a mySQL 
database, and give the user to choose from the list, when entering their

details on the form, kind of like a registration form, and as soon as
they 
click on submit, to move on to the second page, where all thier details,
as 
selected in the previous form are shown, and have a button that says
finish 
and this will be displayed on another page.... does anyone know how this

could be done or have tutorial they can send me, it's urgent!!!!
[/snip]

There are several tutorials for this, just Google for PHP MySQL
tutorials.

From roel.mulder at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 16:13:33 2005
From: roel.mulder at gmail.com (Roel Mulder)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:13:33 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Mysterious websites and referers
In-Reply-To: <42714B45.4030506@neptunewebworks.com>
References: <3cda48880504281302cd1ebd4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <42714B45.4030506@neptunewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <3cda48880504281413291938f2@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys,
This relation to SE's confirms my suspicion, for these websites are
clearly not developed for human beings. Let's take it that this
implies I can consider it an honour that our website is deemed worthy
to be (mis)used. So, I'm off fiddling with .htaccess.

Roel

On 4/28/05, Maximillian Schwanekamp <lists at neptunewebworks.com> wrote:
> Roel Mulder wrote:
> > - Does anyone else find referers like these?
> > - Why would anybody take the trouble operating those websites?
> > - How come requests originate from those websites without hyperlinks
> > to the requested website?
> 
> Referer spam.  Stupid attempt to get website owners looking at their
> traffic logs to go "hrm, what's that? <click>."  Also it gives links to
> their spammy domain from sites that make their logs public.
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=referer+spam
> 
> --
> Maximillian Von Schwanekamp
> http://www.neptunewebworks.com/
> 
>

From rich at richpoints.com  Thu Apr 28 16:25:54 2005
From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:25:54 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Flash Error - XML Not Successfully Loaded - insanity
In-Reply-To: <42712173.3080201@kasimir-k.fi>
References: <427073B5.4060508@richpoints.com>
	<6073aef9050428020925f80b57@mail.gmail.com> <42710D65.1090508@richpoints.com>
	<42712173.3080201@kasimir-k.fi>
Message-ID: <427154E2.9070104@richpoints.com>

Yes after playing with this a bit I've got it working.

Thanks Everyone

Rich



From misterhaan at track7.org  Thu Apr 28 16:43:12 2005
From: misterhaan at track7.org (misterhaan)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:43:12 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Why won't my <h2> behave with floats?
In-Reply-To: <42713DD4.3000405@designshift.com>
References: <20050428182814.27ECF5189C5@mx1.nexiderm.com>
	<42713DD4.3000405@designshift.com>
Message-ID: <427158F0.70803@track7.org>

since you specified a width on your .floatright, you can add the same 
width (plus some extra for spacing) on the h2 element's right margin.  
this will limit how far the bottom border gets drawn out to the right.

Jason Sweeney wrote:

> The *text* of the h2 elements do to wrap around (or would if you had 
> an h2 elements with enough text to wrap) -- it's the *block-level 
> element* that's not "wrapping". If you edit your source to have a 
> multi-line h2 header, you'll see that the text does wrap around the 
> floated element.
>
> However, the block that contains the h2 element is still spanning the 
> same distance. The border-bottom that you have put in place is styling 
> the block-level element, not the wrapping text. Net result -- the 
> border running under the floated element.
>
> The joys of CSS. :-)
>
> The problem is when you start thinking of it as an "underline" to the 
> text, rather than a border to a block-level element. That border just 
> don't care what the text is doing.
>
> This one has bitten me a couple of times too.
>
> jason sweeney
> jason.designshift.com
>
>
> Jonathan Dillon wrote:
>
>> Howdy all:
>>
>> I'm working on a quick site:
>> http://serverfire.com/
>>
>> It's based on eZ Publish CMS, and I'm having a weird issue with layout.
>> Everything is working, and it's getting towards validation.
>>
>> Meantime, I'm left with this annoying bug, and I can't figure it out 
>> fer me
>> life. 
>> The h2 elements on the site have a dotted underline, and the home 
>> page has a
>> float to the right for a couple of bullet points.  Normally with a 
>> float, I
>> should just be able to float: right and have the content flow 
>> around.  But
>> not so with these H2s.  I'm looking at
>> http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/introduction07.htm and 
>> thinking,
>> "This should work."  But I'm sure there is something I am missing.
>>
>> Would one of the CSS folks on the list be able to tell me why it's not
>> working?  Here is the code for the float:
>>
>> #body #rightcolumn {
>>     float: right;
>>     border-top: 1px dotted #e7e7e7;
>>     border-left: 1px dotted #e7e7e7;
>>     float:right;
>>     width:166px;
>>     
>>     padding: 12px;
>>     padding-top: 12px;
>>     margin-top: 0;
>>     margin-left: 20px;
>>     margin-bottom: 20px;
>>     background: url(/design/serverfire/images/sf/sidebox_bg.gif)
>> no-repeat 0 2px;
>>     background-position: bottom right;
>>     background-color: #fff;
>>     margin-top: 24px;
>>     font-size: 90%;
>> }
>>
>> Body looks like this:
>>
>> body { padding: 0; margin: 0; font-size: 12px; font-family: tahoma,
>> sans-serif; letter-spacing: 1px; background: #cdcdcd; color: #454545; }
>>
>> I'm at a loss.
>>
>> Thanks tons!
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan Dillon-Hayes
>> ---
>> Email: jonathan at boehm-ritter.com
>> http://www.Boehm-Ritter.com/
>>

From javascript at enure.net  Thu Apr 28 17:00:47 2005
From: javascript at enure.net (charles stuart)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:00:47 -0700
Subject: [thelist] PHP sessions timing out
In-Reply-To: <1254141432d700239828dcfc4bf5dbfd@enure.net>
References: <1254141432d700239828dcfc4bf5dbfd@enure.net>
Message-ID: <1b6f75b9a5c3a98be25116815b8c2ee2@enure.net>

Hello,

We came upon this solution:
http://us4.php.net/manual/en/function.session-cache-expire.php

It seems a bit messy, but we're going to combine it with a notice at 
the top of the page regarding the 3 hour limit.

Any 'cleaner' fixes would be appreciated. We're on a shared hosting 
plan, so we can't do much to change the php install defaults (at least 
I think...).



best,

Charles



On Apr 28, 2005, at 1:40 PM, charles stuart wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We have one lengthy page on a non-profit grant application. It's 
> taking people quite a while to fill it out.
>
> From what people say it seems like they're cookies are timing out, and 
> when they submit they are being kicked back out to the login screen. 
> This makes them very mad.
>
> I'm using the following code to set up the session:
>
> <?
> 	session_name('phpses');
> 	session_start();
> ?>
>
> I want the session to time out only if the user quits the browser.
>
>
> Any help is much much appreciated.
>
>
>
> best,
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> Page Ahead Children's Literacy Program
> 88 Spring Street, Suite 123
> Seattle, WA  98104
> www.pageahead.org
>
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>
>


From ian at zstudio.co.uk  Thu Apr 28 17:32:17 2005
From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:32:17 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Flicker with CSS rollovers in IE Win - solved
Message-ID: <42716471.1080304@zstudio.co.uk>

Hi esteemed list members,

a few weeks ago, I mentioned in a post to someone that their CSS 
rollovers flickered in a most unacceptable way in IE 6 for Windows, and 
that I had long been troubled by this drawback to CSS rollovers.

I have just realised today why the problem occurs, and it is probably 
not such a drawback as I imagined.

The flicker was caused by IE getting another copy of the image from the 
server every time the :hover event occurred; that is, every time you 
mouse over the image. The reason for this was that in Tools > Internet 
Options > General, for Temporary Internet Files Settingds, I have my IE 
set to check for a newer copy of the page from the server "Every visit 
to the page". This to prevent being misled by caching problems when 
checking pages I am working on.

What I found out today (and validated in a wee test) is that where CSS 
images are concerned, IE will check the image and download newer 
versions even *without* reloading the page, every time you mouse over 
the CSS rollover.

Setting the Temporary Internet Files setting to "Every time you start 
Internet Explorer" or "Automatically" fixes this, and it now does the 
rollovers as slickly as Firefox, Opera or Safari. I know one of these is 
the default setting, can't remember which.

Most of the audience out there will have their IE on the default 
setting, and will not see the problem. Apologies for misleading the 
person with my previous post.

Cheers

Ian


From partyarmy at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 19:36:01 2005
From: partyarmy at gmail.com (partyarmy)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:36:01 -0700
Subject: [thelist] personal PHP preference inquiry
In-Reply-To: <20050426195342.BD372518702@mx1.nexiderm.com>
References: <fad1810105042611003199b97f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20050426195342.BD372518702@mx1.nexiderm.com>
Message-ID: <3b98efb405042817365a36755c@mail.gmail.com>

where did you learn your oop in php, i would like to make the jump,
but have had a hard time approaching the oop style.

On 4/26/05, Jonathan Dillon <jdillon at boehm-ritter.com> wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Angelo
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:01 AM
> To: Rick den Haan; thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] personal PHP preference inquiry
> 
> 2005/4/24, Rick den Haan <rick.denhaan at gmail.com>:
> > I was wondering how all you PHP programmers out there work with custom
> > functions. Do you like to:
> >
> > a) put all necessary functions in the page itself;
> > b) put all functions in one seperate file, and include this big file
> > into the page;
> > c) put each function in its own file, and include when needed;
> > d) else?
> 
> Abandon all hope, and stop programming in proceedural php.  It's VERY easy
> to simply put your code into a class file.  I always have a directory called
> /classes in the doc root.  If you make a class called example, for example,
> you would do:
> 
> /classes/example_class.php (or something similar).
> 
> Working with classes is CAKE.
> 
> A class looks like this in php4:
> 
> <?
> class example {
> 
>         // sample var
>         var $myvar;
> 
>         // init method (a method is function in a class) for constructor
>         function example() {
>                 // stick my default variable(s) here
>         }
> 
>         function getExample() {
>                 SQL here...
>         }
> }
> ?>
> 
> To access this in a page is SO easy...
> 
> <?
> include("/classes/example_class.php");
> $example = new example;
> 
> echo $example->myvar;
> ?>
> 
> Sorry, I thought I should take the opportunity to throw out some OO php.
> I've been working with it now for the last few years, and it's fantastically
> easier.
> 
> J
> 
> --
> 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> 
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>

From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Thu Apr 28 19:39:27 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:39:27 -0700
Subject: [thelist] XMLHttp question
Message-ID: <20050428235356.110F2518854@mx1.nexiderm.com>

I've been hacking on this stuff for the last hour or so (it's slick as
shiat).  But I'm wondering, what is oXML?  Is it some kind of build in DOM
thing for XML docs or what?

Here is an example where it's used:

http://www.activewidgets.com/javascript.forum.4382.0/using-response-method-f
or-loading.html

//Example function to extract extra data
function customTableRequest(url,data) {
var myGridData = ""
//function run on completion (readyState=4) of xmlHttprequest
var completedCustomRequest = function (oXML) {
var splitdata = (oXML.responsetext).split("|splitDelimiter|");
if (splitdata.length == 2){
processPaging(splitdata[0]);
myGridData = splitdata[1];
}
regularCursor();
oXML = null;
};
doXmlHttpLoad(url,data,completedCustomRequest);
return myGridData;
}

I'm also seeing it in the js functions I'm working with:

function (oXML) { alert(oXML.responseText); }

But I really don't understand.  WHAT is it?  It's not in any of my php
books, and I can find nothing in google besides code references.

Jonathan Dillon-Hayes
---
Email: jonathan at boehm-ritter.com
http://www.Boehm-Ritter.com/


From evolt at matchpenalty.com  Thu Apr 28 19:59:25 2005
From: evolt at matchpenalty.com (Roger Ly)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:59:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [thelist] Looking to move from ISAPI to something else
Message-ID: <20050429005927.17418.fh034.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net>

Hey all,

I'm doing some research into possible alternatives for
technology used to build our company web site. 
Currently, we are working on IIS with Oracle.  We have
built our site with ISAPI extensions written in C++
running on top of IIS.  We have developed a proprietary
scripting language on top of that to help us partially
separate some of our business logic from the
presentation layer displayed to the end user.  While
this has been a decent solution thus far, we are
investigating the possible move to another solution
that has a more powerful scripting front-end, while
still being able to use and support any legacy business
logic we have already developed.

Some of the things that are required by us:
* We will still remain on the IIS platform
* We still need to interface easily with Oracle
* We want to retain some legacy code we have written in
C++ and exported into DLLs (access via COM or something
similar would be ideal).  There is no need for us to
re-write our billing libraries, for example.
* We would love to keep a good deal of
presentation/business logic separation.  Being able to
hire HTML developers who don't necessarily understand
how our legacy code works, but can still design and
build functional pages would be a plus.
* Being able to easily debug and profile things as we
run into a problems is a must-have.

I have currently been doing some in-depth investigation
into the different areas I have some experience in: 
JSP/J2EE, ASP.NET, PHP and ColdFusion.  For most of the
points above, I think using these technologies as a
front-end scripting-type language would suffice.  For
all of these, the presentation/business logic
separation is a matter of education on the development
teams part, they all can be used to separate the two,
but of course, they all can be used incorrectly in the
opposite way.

The two biggest desires are access to legacy C++ code
via COM (or something similar), and tied with that, the
ability to easily debug and step through problems with
the code, both on the scripting side, and as it makes
its way into the legacy libraries.  Since our current
scripting library is written in the ISAPI extension
layer, debugging just requires us to attach to the
current ISAPI process, and walk through the code.  As
we separate things out into two different technologies,
it will become more difficult to attach to the JSP
engine, for example, and then when it attempts to make
a call to an outside library, attach to that library as
well so we can see how everything is working.

Does anyone here have any practical experience on the
matters that I have brought up?  Can you point me to a
good set of resources to help continue my research?

Moving off of Windows is currently not an option in
this case.  And this isn't a "which technology is
better" question -- that will ultimately lead to some
amount of a flame war, I'm afraid.

Thanks all,

Roger

From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Thu Apr 28 20:53:04 2005
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:53:04 +1000
Subject: [thelist] Looking to move from ISAPI to something else
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BA18@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

OTOH I would suggest sticking with Visual Studio.NET and ASP.NET

You could invoke your COM+ objects (assuming that's where you move your
existing ISAPI code) via COM Interop. I believe the debugger in VS.NET will
let you move between managed and unmanaged code.

Cheers
Ken

--
www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/ 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Roger Ly
: Subject: [thelist] Looking to move from ISAPI to something else
: 
: Hey all,
: 
: I'm doing some research into possible alternatives for
: technology used to build our company web site.
: Currently, we are working on IIS with Oracle.  We have
: built our site with ISAPI extensions written in C++
: running on top of IIS.  We have developed a proprietary
: scripting language on top of that to help us partially
: separate some of our business logic from the
: presentation layer displayed to the end user.  While
: this has been a decent solution thus far, we are
: investigating the possible move to another solution
: that has a more powerful scripting front-end, while
: still being able to use and support any legacy business
: logic we have already developed.
: 
: Some of the things that are required by us:
: * We will still remain on the IIS platform
: * We still need to interface easily with Oracle
: * We want to retain some legacy code we have written in
: C++ and exported into DLLs (access via COM or something
: similar would be ideal).  There is no need for us to
: re-write our billing libraries, for example.
: * We would love to keep a good deal of
: presentation/business logic separation.  Being able to
: hire HTML developers who don't necessarily understand
: how our legacy code works, but can still design and
: build functional pages would be a plus.
: * Being able to easily debug and profile things as we
: run into a problems is a must-have.
: 
: I have currently been doing some in-depth investigation
: into the different areas I have some experience in:
: JSP/J2EE, ASP.NET, PHP and ColdFusion.  For most of the
: points above, I think using these technologies as a
: front-end scripting-type language would suffice.  For
: all of these, the presentation/business logic
: separation is a matter of education on the development
: teams part, they all can be used to separate the two,
: but of course, they all can be used incorrectly in the
: opposite way.
: 
: The two biggest desires are access to legacy C++ code
: via COM (or something similar), and tied with that, the
: ability to easily debug and step through problems with
: the code, both on the scripting side, and as it makes
: its way into the legacy libraries.  Since our current
: scripting library is written in the ISAPI extension
: layer, debugging just requires us to attach to the
: current ISAPI process, and walk through the code.  As
: we separate things out into two different technologies,
: it will become more difficult to attach to the JSP
: engine, for example, and then when it attempts to make
: a call to an outside library, attach to that library as
: well so we can see how everything is working.
: 
: Does anyone here have any practical experience on the
: matters that I have brought up?  Can you point me to a
: good set of resources to help continue my research?

From dudrenov at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 21:36:34 2005
From: dudrenov at gmail.com (Pavel Dudrenov)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:36:34 -0700
Subject: [thelist] XMLHttp question
In-Reply-To: <20050428235356.110F2518854@mx1.nexiderm.com>
References: <20050428235356.110F2518854@mx1.nexiderm.com>
Message-ID: <10c3e4e00504281936257cca01@mail.gmail.com>

Dude,

About your slick as shiat thingy - It's nothing. oXML is just an
argument that one of the functions takes. This one to be exact:
var completedCustomRequest = function (oXML) {}; 

Don't waste your time looking at your PHP documentation for oXML. The
guy that wrote that could have just as easily called that argument
"theChicken". Would have worked anyway.

In your case oXML is the object that you get back from your request
which is why he probably called it like that: o(for object) + XML
(oXML). Now I myself would have named it "theChicken", or perhaps
"bork" but that's just me.

All the best,
Pavel

On 4/28/05, Jonathan Dillon <jdillon at boehm-ritter.com> wrote:
> I've been hacking on this stuff for the last hour or so (it's slick as
> shiat).  But I'm wondering, what is oXML?  Is it some kind of build in DOM
> thing for XML docs or what?
> 
> Here is an example where it's used:
> 
> http://www.activewidgets.com/javascript.forum.4382.0/using-response-method-f
> or-loading.html
> 
> //Example function to extract extra data
> function customTableRequest(url,data) {
> var myGridData = ""
> //function run on completion (readyState=4) of xmlHttprequest
> var completedCustomRequest = function (oXML) {
> var splitdata = (oXML.responsetext).split("|splitDelimiter|");
> if (splitdata.length == 2){
> processPaging(splitdata[0]);
> myGridData = splitdata[1];
> }
> regularCursor();
> oXML = null;
> };
> doXmlHttpLoad(url,data,completedCustomRequest);
> return myGridData;
> }
> 
> I'm also seeing it in the js functions I'm working with:
> 
> function (oXML) { alert(oXML.responseText); }
> 
> But I really don't understand.  WHAT is it?  It's not in any of my php
> books, and I can find nothing in google besides code references.
> 
> Jonathan Dillon-Hayes
> ---
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> http://www.Boehm-Ritter.com/
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From robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com  Thu Apr 28 22:33:02 2005
From: robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com (Robert Gormley)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:33:02 +1000
Subject: [thelist] personal PHP preference inquiry
In-Reply-To: <3b98efb405042817365a36755c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fad1810105042611003199b97f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050426195342.BD372518702@mx1.nexiderm.com>
	<3b98efb405042817365a36755c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4271AAEE.4070300@pennyonthesidewalk.com>

partyarmy wrote:

>where did you learn your oop in php, i would like to make the jump,
>but have had a hard time approaching the oop style.
>  
>
A good book is PHP 5 Power Programming from Prentice Hall. Discusses 
design patterns, paradigms and the like. Very good stuff. Aimed at 
someone who knows what they're talking about.

Robert

From ruimbmadeira at yahoo.com.br  Fri Apr 29 04:38:54 2005
From: ruimbmadeira at yahoo.com.br (Rui Madeira)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:38:54 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [thelist]  =?iso-8859-1?q?What=B4s_wrong_with_this=3F=3F=3F?=
Message-ID: <20050429093854.94093.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com>


Me.OdbcConnection1.ConnectionString = "PageTimeout=5;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;DSN=SigM2"
The script I have in ASP.NET keep sending me this error

ERROR [IM002] [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no default driver specified 
[OdbcException: ERROR [IM002] [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no default driver specified]
   System.Data.Odbc.OdbcConnection.Open() +638
   SIGAM.WebForm1.Page_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) +65
   System.Web.UI.Control.OnLoad(EventArgs e) +67
   System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +35
   System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain() +731

Is any thing wrong with the script. I?ve already seen if the ODBC and DSN connections are rigth...
 
Thank you
Rui Madeira

		
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From keith at digital-crew.com  Fri Apr 29 07:46:22 2005
From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:46:22 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Looking to move from ISAPI to something else
In-Reply-To: <20050429005927.17418.fh034.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net>
References: <20050429005927.17418.fh034.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net>
Message-ID: <42722C9E.3060509@digital-crew.com>

Roger Ly wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I'm doing some research into possible alternatives for
> technology used to build our company web site. 

If you want to keep all the COM code you've written, then ColdFusion is
worth looking at. The <cfobject> tag makes this trivial.

CF is built on top of Java, so you can build new business logic using
Java classes or CFCs (ColdFusion Components, essentially classes).
ColdFusion gets compiled to Java as of CFMX, so speed isn't a huge
concern these days.

Also, it's one of the best server-side languages out there for doing
database related work. And it's got lots of functionality you might
find useful like the <cfldap> tag and others.

K.

From John.Brooking at sappi.com  Fri Apr 29 08:49:44 2005
From: John.Brooking at sappi.com (Brooking, John)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:49:44 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Flicker with CSS rollovers in IE Win - solved
Message-ID: <7470E917C11D7241A35D95903556147105A4A888@cdfnexc7.NA.Sappi.com>

Ian Anderson [no, not *that* Ian Anderson ;-)] said:
> a few weeks ago, I mentioned in a post to someone that their CSS
rollovers 
> flickered in a most unacceptable way in IE 6 for Windows, and that I
had long 
> been troubled by this drawback to CSS rollovers.
> 
> I have just realised today why the problem occurs, and it is probably
not such 
> a drawback as I imagined.

I was just researching this very problem last week-end. Having forgotten
the mention of it in this list, I just did a Google search and came up
with a number of articles that discuss it, with a number of additional
resolutions besides the one you mention. One of them is some server
configuration tweaks you can make in Apache which, if I understood it
correctly, will override this IE setting for specific file types. I
don't have the references handy now, but you can probably find them
again by Googling.

- John
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From ian at zstudio.co.uk  Fri Apr 29 09:12:48 2005
From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:12:48 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Flicker with CSS rollovers in IE Win - solved
In-Reply-To: <7470E917C11D7241A35D95903556147105A4A888@cdfnexc7.NA.Sappi.com>
References: <7470E917C11D7241A35D95903556147105A4A888@cdfnexc7.NA.Sappi.com>
Message-ID: <427240E0.8060806@zstudio.co.uk>

Brooking, John wrote:

>I was just researching this very problem last week-end. Having forgotten
>the mention of it in this list, I just did a Google search and came up
>with a number of articles that discuss it, with a number of additional
>resolutions besides the one you mention. One of them is some server
>configuration tweaks you can make in Apache which, if I understood it
>correctly, will override this IE setting for specific file types. I
>don't have the references handy now, but you can probably find them
>again by Googling.
>
Thanks for that; interesting. I'm on Windows server, but I'm glad I am 
not alone in being concerned by this! I also found reference to it by 
Pixy on wellstyled.com:

http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html
(at the end)

Cheers

Ian


From brian.delaney at mccmh.net  Fri Apr 29 10:02:35 2005
From: brian.delaney at mccmh.net (Brian Delaney)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:02:35 -0400
Subject: [thelist] One for the GURU's asp loop
Message-ID: <42724C8B.1060401@mccmh.net>

I have a recordset that contains company name,addr,addr1,city,state,zip

I am trying to format the asp output so labels can be printed. I am 
close using a style sheet and some margin tweaking.

My question is  as follows:

I need to write the records 3 companies per row:

company1       company2       company3
addr                addr                addr
addr1              addr1              addr1
city,state zip     city,state zip    city,state zip

I originally used 3 arrays  to read the first, second and third company 
with movenext in between, then write out  the row using the arrays,
loop, redim my arrays and get the next three - repeat.

This produces duplicate companies.

Looking for suggestions on the best way to handle this. Maybe use the 
cursor command to get the first three?

I use ASP on MS with sql 2000 backside.

Thanks

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From peter at easylistbox.com  Fri Apr 29 10:51:59 2005
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:51:59 -0700
Subject: [thelist] One for the GURU's asp loop
Message-ID: <9a3f82547a714f58bfab3c413336aa07@easylistbox.com>

Hi Brian,

???I'm not sure about the guru status, but I'll take a shot.

???First off, I'd suggest using the GetRows() method of the recordset (  http://learnasp.com/learn/whygetrows.asp ?). It's a lot more efficient, and it gives you an array that you can walk through (back, forward, up, down) at your leisure.

???I don't know exactly how you're rendering these addresses, but I would think you'd want to do something like this:

For i=0 to UBound(arrRecords, 2)
???Select Case i Mod 3
????? Case 0 ' Beginning of a new row
?????????myCSSClass = "beginRow"
????? Case 1 ' Middle item in the row
?????????myCSSClass = "middleOfRow"
????? Case 2 ' End of the row
?????????myCSSClass = "endRow"
?? End Select

???WriteAddress(myCSSClass, companyName, addr1, addr2, city, state, zip)
Next

???Of course you could always do the Response.Write part right there instead of putting it in a separate subroutine...

HTH,

Peter

 From: Brian Delaney  brian.delaney at mccmh.net 

I have a recordset that contains company name,addr,addr1,city,state,zip

I am trying to format the asp output so labels can be printed. I am 
close using a style sheet and some margin tweaking.

My question is as follows:

I need to write the records 3 companies per row:

company1 company2 company3
addr addr addr
addr1 addr1 addr1
city,state zip city,state zip city,state zip

I originally used 3 arrays to read the first, second and third company 
with movenext in between, then write out the row using the arrays,
loop, redim my arrays and get the next three - repeat.

This produces duplicate companies.

Looking for suggestions on the best way to handle this. Maybe use the 
cursor command to get the first three?

I use ASP on MS with sql 2000 backside.

Thanks

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From webguync at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 11:01:52 2005
From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:01:52 -0400
Subject: [thelist] 
 include paths with php - previewing in browser locally and on server
Message-ID: <463b785d05042909013d49e9c6@mail.gmail.com>

I have a question regarding paths with php includes.

In order to get te includes to display when previewing in a browser I
have to use the absolute path such as <?php
require("c:/sites/dps/includes/nav-parents.htm"); ?> for the server
path and locally <?php
require("c:/inetpub/wwwroot/includes/nav-parents.htm"); ?>

this is a pain to be changing back and forth, but when I try to do a
reletave path, something like <?php
require("/includes/nav-parents.htm"); ?>

I get file not found errors...any suggestions?

thx,

-- 
::Bruce::

From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Fri Apr 29 12:20:44 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:20:44 -0700
Subject: [thelist] personal PHP preference inquiry
In-Reply-To: <3b98efb405042817365a36755c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050429163519.53C735186D8@mx1.nexiderm.com>

> where did you learn your oop in php, i would like to make the jump, but
have had a hard time approaching the oop style.

I really had a hard time myself.

The phppatterns site is fantastic.  But honestly, it's a struggle.

I learned a lot on the job, but mostly, I've learned it from building
applications.  You have to beat OO programming into your skull, IMHO.  I'm
still not that good, but once you get started you just learn so much so fast
it's worth it.

The only book I've read that really helped me (I'm not the kind of guy who
can pour over Design Patterns for 12 hours) is Professional PHP5 by Wrox.
And the PHP Functions book from New Riders (for reference).

Hope it helps.

Jonathan


From lists at neptunewebworks.com  Fri Apr 29 12:51:39 2005
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:51:39 -0700
Subject: [thelist]  include paths with php - previewing in browser locally
 and on server
In-Reply-To: <463b785d05042909013d49e9c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <463b785d05042909013d49e9c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4272742B.5050506@neptunewebworks.com>

Bruce Gilbert wrote:
> I have a question regarding paths with php includes.
> ...when I try to do a
> reletave path, something like <?php
> require("/includes/nav-parents.htm"); ?>
> I get file not found errors...any suggestions?

You can usually do a path relative the script, e.g. <?php 
require('../includes/nav-parents.htm'); ?>, assuming you have "." as an 
item (usually it's the first) in your include_path php.ini setting.

Otherwise, to get the absolute path of your running script on Apache, 
you could use $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']; On IIS it's a little trickier - 
  you might use $_SERVER['PATH_TRANSLATED'] and then use 
$_SERVER['PATH_INFO'] to parse out the absolute path to the webroot of 
your site.  Then you could either use ini_set and/or define a constant 
with your absolute path.

Or maybe someone else will have a better suggestion!

-- 
Maximillian Von Schwanekamp
http://www.neptunewebworks.com/


From evolt at matchpenalty.com  Fri Apr 29 13:26:54 2005
From: evolt at matchpenalty.com (Roger Ly)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:26:54 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Looking to move from ISAPI to something else
In-Reply-To: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550AD5F7CD@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
Message-ID: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A55CEDA@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>

>If you want to keep all the COM code you've written, then ColdFusion is
>worth looking at. The <cfobject> tag makes this trivial.

Keith,

I assume that with CF, I will need to invoke two debuggers to step through a
request from start to finish, if I end up calling COM code from it?
Basically, I will still have to launch one debugger to step through my CF
code, and as soon as it makes a request to the COM code, need to launch
another debugger to step through that code as well?

Thanks,

Roger 


From evolt at matchpenalty.com  Fri Apr 29 13:24:46 2005
From: evolt at matchpenalty.com (Roger Ly)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:24:46 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Looking to move from ISAPI to something else
In-Reply-To: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550AD5F722@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
Message-ID: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A55CED9@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>

>You could invoke your COM+ objects (assuming that's where you move your
>existing ISAPI code) via COM Interop. I believe the debugger in VS.NET will
>let you move between managed and unmanaged code.

Thanks Ken,

Does the debugger allow you to step through the ASP.NET code, line-by-line
as well?  A fully integrated debugging session from start to finish, while
not a must-have, would be an extremely helpful thing to have.

Do you know of any performance costs of using Interop to go from the managed
to unmanaged code?

Roger 


From keith at digital-crew.com  Fri Apr 29 13:45:40 2005
From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:45:40 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Looking to move from ISAPI to something else
In-Reply-To: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A55CEDA@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
References: <6AE6EBBB14415241A64613CEE97F550A55CEDA@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
Message-ID: <427280D4.1070301@digital-crew.com>

Roger Ly wrote:

>>If you want to keep all the COM code you've written, then ColdFusion is
>>worth looking at. The <cfobject> tag makes this trivial.
 >
> I assume that with CF, I will need to invoke two debuggers to step through a
> request from start to finish, if I end up calling COM code from it?
> Basically, I will still have to launch one debugger to step through my CF
> code, and as soon as it makes a request to the COM code, need to launch
> another debugger to step through that code as well?

I'm afraid you will. However, it's worth pointing out that any testing
and debugging you do with COM objects should probably be done in some
kind of C++-based test harness anyway, and that you ought to be using
some kind of unit testing framework like CppUnit[1] to help you build
test cases anyway.

K.

[1] http://triumvir.org/prog/xp/cppunit.html

From webguync at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 14:01:21 2005
From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:01:21 -0400
Subject: [thelist] include paths with php - previewing in browser locally
	and on server
In-Reply-To: <4272742B.5050506@neptunewebworks.com>
References: <463b785d05042909013d49e9c6@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4272742B.5050506@neptunewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <463b785d05042912014d7e8da6@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for the reply, I will give this a shot!

On 4/29/05, Maximillian Schwanekamp <lists at neptunewebworks.com> wrote:
> Bruce Gilbert wrote:
> > I have a question regarding paths with php includes.
> > ...when I try to do a
> > reletave path, something like <?php
> > require("/includes/nav-parents.htm"); ?>
> > I get file not found errors...any suggestions?
> 
> You can usually do a path relative the script, e.g. <?php
> require('../includes/nav-parents.htm'); ?>, assuming you have "." as an
> item (usually it's the first) in your include_path php.ini setting.
> 
> Otherwise, to get the absolute path of your running script on Apache,
> you could use $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']; On IIS it's a little trickier -
>   you might use $_SERVER['PATH_TRANSLATED'] and then use
> $_SERVER['PATH_INFO'] to parse out the absolute path to the webroot of
> your site.  Then you could either use ini_set and/or define a constant
> with your absolute path.
> 
> Or maybe someone else will have a better suggestion!
> 
> --
> Maximillian Von Schwanekamp
> http://www.neptunewebworks.com/
> 
> 


-- 
::Bruce::

From rick.denhaan at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 05:54:01 2005
From: rick.denhaan at gmail.com (Rick den Haan)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:54:01 +0200
Subject: [thelist] personal PHP preference inquiry
In-Reply-To: <20050429163519.53C735186D8@mx1.nexiderm.com>
References: <3b98efb405042817365a36755c@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20050429163519.53C735186D8@mx1.nexiderm.com>
Message-ID: <cb069f5505043003544efe2e88@mail.gmail.com>

It seems Phil was right and everybody is all over the map on this.

Speaking of OO-programming, what do you think of SitePoint's PHP
Anthology[0]? I've been thinking of buying this book and get into
OO-PHP...

Rick.

[0]: http://www.sitepoint.com/books/phpant1/

From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 30 11:47:45 2005
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:47:45 -0600
Subject: [thelist] MySQL security tables mystery
Message-ID: <BAY20-F3233E21F1AD151C0C7AC8CA6250@phx.gbl>

Hi all,

I was in the process of learning the SQL security tables last summer an got 
interrupted. Now, I am trying to get back into it. I have a program, Navicat 
(a really great remote DB tool) which cannot connect to MySQL on a remote 
Linux server.

The host table has ?%? for both host and db fields (I know extremely 
dangerous) and all others set to ?Y?.
The user table has host, user, password set to ?%? (also dangerous) and all 
other set to ?Y?;
The db table has host, db, and user set to ?%? (ditto above) and all others 
set to ?Y?.

I did a flush tables. When I do a ?killall mysqld? and a ?safe_mysqld 
--skip-grant-tables &?, I can get in.

Please help! And yes, I promise I will start changing the ?%? back ASAP.

TIA

Ken

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From lists at neptunewebworks.com  Sat Apr 30 21:05:10 2005
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:05:10 -0700
Subject: [thelist] MySQL security tables mystery
In-Reply-To: <BAY20-F3233E21F1AD151C0C7AC8CA6250@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY20-F3233E21F1AD151C0C7AC8CA6250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42743956.2000509@neptunewebworks.com>

Ken Moore wrote:
> I have a program, 
> Navicat (a really great remote DB tool) which cannot connect to MySQL on 
> a remote Linux server.

What version of MySQL?  Are you able to login with a regular-level user 
(USAGE only for most db's, regular access on 1 or more db's)?  Can you 
connect/login remotely via command line?  You aren't by any chance 
trying to login to a MySQL 4.1 server with a pre-4.1 client?[0]


[0] http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/old-client.html
-- 
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http://www.neptunewebworks.com/


From mike at mikebird.co.uk  Sun May  1 12:01:06 2005
From: mike at mikebird.co.uk (Mike Bird)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 18:01:06 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Internet Explorer Max Cookies
Message-ID: <5dc82f3465a3b8a9d385161443ba19c6@mikebird.co.uk>

Hi all,

I have come across a very annoying problem in IE.. for all other 
browsers it works. Basically an image is written onto the page every 10 
seconds which also contains a Set-Cookie header, which changes the 
value of the same cookie, lets call it foo.
Now in Safari, FireFox and Opera, every time the cookie is received, 
foo is overwritten successfully and the expiry date updated, however in 
IE, it works exactly 5 times, then fails to set any more cookies. I 
have my privacy settings to the lowest setting and include a P3P 
header.

Do you have any idea of what is going on? I have tried google and only 
found articles saying there is a limit of 20 cookies per domain but IE 
ignores this.. and even so, I am updating the same cookie, not creating 
a new one.

Thanks,
Mike


From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Sun May  1 17:39:31 2005
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 01:39:31 +0300
Subject: [thelist] 
 [CSS-Javascript] can "son of suckerfish" be implemented with timeouts?
Message-ID: <dfc81b0905050115397027d806@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I know it is totally against the spirit of it, but I thought it woud
be nice if suckerfish menu had a little timeout between its menu
openings.

I've tried to implement a solution. But after playing with the code
for about  3-4 hours, I realized that it is harder than I first
thought. When I add bits and pieces to the code, my logic turned into
a more and more complicated piece of spagethi. A few minutes ago, I
was uttering something like:

"what if I hide all child nodes of the li's which are on the same
level of my li and clear all the prescheduled timeout threads which
are going to show sub menus, when I mouse over (or focus) on it and
when I mouse ot (or blur) .. blah blah blah."

At which time, I realized that I've lost my control over the code. I
feel like I'm alone in a large rafting boat jumping over the waves in
an angry river :)

Here's the link, which can give you an idea of what I'm trying to achieve:

http://www.sarmal.com/testcase/suckerfish_timeout.html

(Sorry for the messy source.
I've not deleted the commented out code, I thought it may give some
hint on what I've tried apriori.
The code is ie-specific. But it can be easily made cross-browser, just
my laziness.
When you hover the links, the items will open with 1.5 seconds delay)

As you may guess the code is incomplete. Else I would be screaming
"Eurika!" and  sharing my pleasure with you.

My challange is that; can this menu be made behave like

http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/example/

with timeouts of course.

Is there an elegant solution to it. Or is it time to raise the white flag?

Cheers,
Volkan.

From harvester at lists.evolt.org  Sun May  1 18:00:27 2005
From: harvester at lists.evolt.org (harvester at lists.evolt.org)
Date: 1 May 2005 23:00:27 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday Apr 25, 2005
Message-ID: <20050501230027.26675.qmail@acornparenting.org>


The tip harvest for the Week of Monday Apr 25, 2005 has been added
to the lists.evolt.org site.  Get it at:

   http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/show.cgi?w=20050425

Week at a glance listing at:

   http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/week.cgi?w=20050425


Harvest Summary
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Number of messages: 168
Number of tips    : 6

Tip Authors
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Keith Gaughan (1)
Paul Adams at webmonkey (1)
TJ (2)
Volkan Ozcelik (1)

Tip Types
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browser/server interactivity without page reloads (1)
Getting rid of selects (1)
Search Engine Optimization (2)
Unclassified (2)

From Niceperrson at aol.com  Sun May  1 19:16:37 2005
From: Niceperrson at aol.com (Niceperrson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 20:16:37 EDT
Subject: [thelist] (no subject)
Message-ID: <146.44005973.2fa6cb65@aol.com>

 

From swainscott at dicentral.com  Fri Apr 29 10:56:47 2005
From: swainscott at dicentral.com (Steve Wainscott)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:56:47 -0500
Subject: [thelist] XPath question
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA009QipLKs0KVQ2LHXVrct8KAAAAQAAAAA2lhjk8bKkKXsTfO8s9bGAEAAAAA@dicentral.com>

Problem: 

   I need an XPath expression that will return the "CLASS" nodes whose
"priority" attribute is a duplicate for each "ALLOCATION" node in an XML
doc.  In other words, for each "ALLOCATION" node in the document, each
"CLASS" child's priority attribute must be unique.  The goal is to validate
the document with Schematron, which uses XPath to make assertions on the
document.

 

 

*** VALID Example ***   

<ALLOCATION type="CLASS" name="CLASS A">

<CLASS priority="1" name="Highest Priority"> <!-- OK, priority unique -->

            <STORE name="Target A 1
1">7e30db2577a644b9bc26a568c6ddb7d5</STORE>

            <STORE name="Target A 1
2">6e30db2577a644b9bc26a568c6ddb7d5</STORE>

      </CLASS>

      <CLASS priority="2" name="Second Priority"> <!-- OK, priority unique
-->

            <STORE name="Steinmartt A 2
1">6f7ae1a0-47e4-11d9-9669-0800200c9a66</STORE>

            <STORE name="Walmart A 2
2">415ab260-5229-11d9-9669-0800200c9a66</STORE>

      </CLASS>

      <CLASS priority="2" name="Third Priority"> <!-- OK, priority unique
-->

            <STORE name="Marshalls A 3
1">6f7ae1a0-47e4-11d9-9669-0800200c9a66</STORE>

            <STORE name="Home
Depot">6f7ae1a0-47e4-11d9-9669-0800200c9a66</STORE>

      </CLASS>

</ALLOCATION>

 

*** INVALID Example *** 

<ALLOCATION type="CLASS" name="CLASS B">

<CLASS priority="1" name="Highest Priority"> <!-- OK, priority unique -->

            <STORE name="Target A 1
1">7e30db2577a644b9bc26a568c6ddb7d5</STORE>

            <STORE name="Target A 1
2">6e30db2577a644b9bc26a568c6ddb7d5</STORE>

      </CLASS>

      <CLASS priority="2" name="Second Priority"> <!-- OK, priority unique
-->

            <STORE name="Steinmartt A 2
1">6f7ae1a0-47e4-11d9-9669-0800200c9a66</STORE>

            <STORE name="Walmart A 2
2">415ab260-5229-11d9-9669-0800200c9a66</STORE>

      </CLASS>

      <CLASS priority="2" name="Third Priority"> <!-- FAILED, priority not
unique, return node -->

            <STORE name="Marshalls A 3
1">6f7ae1a0-47e4-11d9-9669-0800200c9a66</STORE>

            <STORE name="Home
Depot">6f7ae1a0-47e4-11d9-9669-0800200c9a66</STORE>

      </CLASS>

</ALLOCATION>

 

Steve Wainscott

Software Engineer

DICentral, Corp.