[thelist] Looking for simple way to get JS statistics frommyvisitors.

[Christian Heilmann]

> Information and products are much larger than what's available on the web.
> Most products are not available everywhere in the world, and they're not
> available to just anyone. So, unless you wish to start qualifying your
> argument (e.g. you're talking about the web only), this argument's a
> non-starter.

That is the same argument as stated by Marc. The web allows us to make
it rather easy not to block out possible receivers. What possible
reason is there to do so?

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> : If I found great information  via a Search Engine or a link,
> : I don't expect to have to alter my technical environment to reach it.
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> 
> Who cares what you think? If you want access to someone else's information,
> you will have to do it on their terms. They do not need to bow to your
> conditions. You are free to seek the information someplace else.

Excuse me, but isn't the point of putting information on the web to
reach people? Isn't that what it is about?

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> : What is an informed decision in the case of the web? When you put a
> : web site out there you simply do not know who will use it.
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> Rubbish. I can put something up for the sole use of myself. I can put
> something up for the sole use of my friend (e.g. by requiring the use of
> authentication/authorization). I can put information up for the sole use of
> users of browsers with javascript enabled.

That is exactly my point, if you want to block people out, make them
sign up for it. If you need JavaScript enabled, make sure nobody
without JavaScript ever gets there.
 
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> : That is the
> : big advantage of the web, an unlimited audience. If you want to
> : restrict your audience, make your information only available to
> : members who have to sign in.
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> 
> Why? I can impose restrictions anyway I like if it's my website. It could
> require an IP address from my company. Or it could be other users that share
> the same ISP. Or it could be users who have flash.

Same as above. 
 
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> : Who are we to decide what to give people and who to block out from the
> :  information?
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> 
> Well, it's my information.

Yes, and  making it available means you are willing to share it. If
you want to restrict the access, restrict it but don't assume that
someone can oblige to these restrictions without testing for them.
  
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> : I don't have to cater exclusively for the worst case scenario, but I can
> : enhance the experience depending on what is available.
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> That's your choice. I am free to make a different choice, unencumbered by
> your notions of responsibility.

Fair enough. I  just see it as a lost opportunity