OK... I tried to resend with the mentioned demo code earlier, must have been eaten by the mail server, oh well. Here is the link for the code instead: http://baratta.com/cssDemo Again, what I am trying to accomplish is sync up FireFox and IE so they look the same. Currently FireFox looks like this for the selected "tab": ___| Tab Name |___ IE has a line under the div which contains the "active" tab text. IE does not allow (or Firefox shouldn't allow) pushing subordinate divs around so that you can cover borders of a container div. Making breaks in the board "on-the-fly" so to speak. I'm really happy with the results so far with only Divs and CSS - no obnoxious css hacks or html hacks, so far. You should have seen the table layout used to do the same thing! Triple yuck! Anyway - any help, pointers or BBQ recipes would be greatly appreciated.