To be fair, every market has stages, and we happen to be in the "cheap clone" stage; it's a fact of (business) life. Now if you want a particular specialty, etc. then you're probably going to have to pay for it. I just hope Kenneth never finds himself in a mess that requires him to solicit help from any of the folks on this list :) Peter P.S. There's probably a reason that nobody here has mentioned that site in three years. From: "Lee McIvor" lee at thinkco.com Mac, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Kenneth just thinks he's paying for a "coder". Therefore if he doesn't appreciate what's involved in the job how would he know how to select the right firm? Lee McIvor Web Developer Email lee.mcivor at thinkco.com Telephone +44 (0)191 269 9840 Facsimile +44 (0)191 269 9841 Website www.thinkco.com -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of mac jordan On 8/17/06, Kenneth wrote: > > I happened to come across some old threads (2003) on this list about > RentACoder. I don't have time to look at every single thread but after a > brief look it appears that most of the coders were complaining loudly and > very upset that coders in India were pricing them out of the market. Tsk. > Tsk. Tsk. nice rant. Now then - is it our fault that you picked a shop that couldn't do what you want? How did you select them, evaluate them? we're entitled to (and get) our approx $100 per hour because we have years of business experience, because we can tell clients when their ideas won't work - and suggest new ideas that will, because we turn out good quality code on time and on budget. and we're no different to hundreds - probably thousands - of development companies; if you engaged the wrong one(s), then your selection process is flawed.