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From derwert at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  2 00:06:15 2006
From: derwert at hotmail.com (der wert)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:06:15 -0500
Subject: [thelist] mysql help
Message-ID: <BAY123-F13B174CC0CA922322C30D8A81F0@phx.gbl>

first I would recommend you adding an index field and make it uniq and have 
it auto_increment
now say you have an entry in the table that looks like this

index	= 1
category= misc
url	= http://example.com
title	= example
target	= _blank


if you wanted to change title to example2 you would do the below query

UPDATE `info` SET `title` = 'example2' WHERE `index` = 1 LIMIT 1 ;

_________________________________________________________________
The next generation of Search?say hello!  
http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG



From lists at soddengecko.com  Mon Oct  2 00:21:40 2006
From: lists at soddengecko.com (Mark Mckee)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 06:21:40 +0100
Subject: [thelist] mysql help
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-F13B174CC0CA922322C30D8A81F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-F13B174CC0CA922322C30D8A81F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4520A1E4.5070407@soddengecko.com>

i have added a unique field tot he database that is set to auto_increment.

so far i have managed to call the category titles from the categories 
table and listed them as links like so


<?

if(!isset($cmd))
{

$sql = 'SELECT * FROM catagories ORDER BY catagory;';
$result = mysql_query($sql) or die('There are currently no links in the 
database.');
echo "<div class='edit'>\n<h1>Edit Categories</h1><ul>\n";
while ($row = mysql_fetch_assoc($result)){

$catagory = $row["catagory"];
$id = $row["id"];

echo "<li><a href='$PHP_SELF?cmd=edit&id=$id'>$catagory - Edit</a></li>\n";

$sql2 = 'SELECT * FROM catagories WHERE catagory="'.$row['id'].'" ORDER 
BY catagory;';
$result2 = mysql_query($sql2);

}
echo "</ul></div>";
}
?>

this has made each category title a clickable link which takes you to a 
page with an input box. i am unable to get that category name into that 
input box and not sure how to set up the command to send it to the db 
with the new name. also this command will have to edit the info table 
and find all the links with the category i modified and change the 
category to the new name.

i read something on being able to modify two tables at the same time, 
but no luck in getting it working.


i really appreciate all your help, some resources would be brilliant if 
you have them as i would like to learn while im doing this.

kind regards

mark m...


der wert wrote:
> first I would recommend you adding an index field and make it uniq and 
> have it auto_increment
> now say you have an entry in the table that looks like this
>
> index = 1
> category= misc
> url = http://example.com
> title = example
> target = _blank
>
>
> if you wanted to change title to example2 you would do the below query
>
> UPDATE `info` SET `title` = 'example2' WHERE `index` = 1 LIMIT 1 ;
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> The next generation of Search?say hello! 
> http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG 
>
>



From steven.pierce at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 00:47:11 2006
From: steven.pierce at gmail.com (Steven Pierce)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:47:11 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Domain names for sale - any advice appreciated!!!
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAFFNHuDFc69DreIIstTbN3xiggAAEAAAALlbzDmppLJEnvWsAKuUGYABAAAAAA==@btopenworld.com>
References: <200609291616.k8TGGVRc069935@mail.authsmtp.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAFFNHuDFc69DreIIstTbN3xiggAAEAAAALlbzDmppLJEnvWsAKuUGYABAAAAAA==@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <6e0cf1cc0610012247s4bdbc4eq47628d0ea9333ba9@mail.gmail.com>

Jon,

I believe that GoDaddy does sell names.  There are other places that does
list names
for sale, but I am not sure they are someone that I trust.  If they are
about to expire, I would just let them go.  Unless you have a www.dns.com or
the like they are sometimes not real easy to sell.

Good Luck

Steven


On 10/1/06, Jon Ambrose at BTOW <jon.ambrose at btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Does anyone know a good, reliable & trustworthy organisation where I can
> sell some domain names that I have registered.
>
> Alternatively, if anyone is interested in buying some domain names I will
> be
> happy to send the list to you outside of the forum mailsystem.
>
> Look forward to your replies and recommendations.
>
>


From brian at hondaswap.com  Mon Oct  2 01:02:42 2006
From: brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:02:42 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Domain names for sale - any advice appreciated!!!
In-Reply-To: <6e0cf1cc0610012247s4bdbc4eq47628d0ea9333ba9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200609291616.k8TGGVRc069935@mail.authsmtp.com>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAFFNHuDFc69DreIIstTbN3xiggAAEAAAALlbzDmppLJEnvWsAKuUGYABAAAAAA==@btopenworld.com>
	<6e0cf1cc0610012247s4bdbc4eq47628d0ea9333ba9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4520AB82.1050809@hondaswap.com>

A private buyer will probably land you the most cash for the name.  
Sitepoint.com, forums.digitialpoint.com, namepros.com all have "sell 
your domain" classified listings.


From st.schwarzer at geois.de  Mon Oct  2 01:04:20 2006
From: st.schwarzer at geois.de (Stefan Schwarzer)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:04:20 +0200
Subject: [thelist] AutoCompletion with Ajax and z-index Problems
Message-ID: <A397C5E1-B540-4633-8C1B-95284F6D14D8@geois.de>

Hi there,

I implemented a Ajax Script for AutoCompletion for our keyword search  
( http://geodata.grid.unep.ch ). Everything works fine; it's only  
that the "box" which opens with the suggested keyword list hides  
behind an image below. (See http://geodata.grid.unep.ch/Picture4.png  
or website.) I tried to use z-index (high value for the text box, low  
value for image) but it didn't do anything...

Can anyone give me a hint how to solve this issue?

Thanks a lot!

Stef



From micky at ambiguism.com  Mon Oct  2 01:08:00 2006
From: micky at ambiguism.com (Micky Hulse)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:08:00 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Domain names for sale - any advice appreciated!!!
Message-ID: <4520ACC0.7050104@ambiguism.com>

Jon Ambrose at BTOW wrote:
> Does anyone know a good, reliable & trustworthy organisation where I can
> sell some domain names that I have registered.
> Alternatively, if anyone is interested in buying some domain names I will be
> happy to send the list to you outside of the forum mailsystem.
> Look forward to your replies and recommendations.
> Many thanks in advance,
> Jon Ambrose

Hi,

You might post on the Sitepoint Marketplace:

*Domain Names For Sale*
<http://snipurl.com/xrzg>

Good luck,
Cheers,
Micky

-- 
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From codepo8 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 02:10:35 2006
From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:10:35 -0700
Subject: [thelist] AutoCompletion with Ajax and z-index Problems
In-Reply-To: <A397C5E1-B540-4633-8C1B-95284F6D14D8@geois.de>
References: <A397C5E1-B540-4633-8C1B-95284F6D14D8@geois.de>
Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0610020010s40a80e8era2fbc54ede7ac546@mail.gmail.com>

> I implemented a Ajax Script for AutoCompletion for our keyword search
> ( http://geodata.grid.unep.ch ). Everything works fine; it's only
> that the "box" which opens with the suggested keyword list hides
> behind an image below. (See http://geodata.grid.unep.ch/Picture4.png
> or website.) I tried to use z-index (high value for the text box, low
> value for image) but it didn't do anything...

I suppose your problem is MSIE. If that is so, you need to apply the
IFRAME hack to make sure that the combo box covers other form
elements:
http://weblogs.asp.net/bleroy/archive/2005/08/09/422047.aspx

The YUI AutoComplete control has that built-in:
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/autocomplete/

Yours is a great job!

HTH
Chris

-- 
Chris Heilmann
Book: http://www.beginningjavascript.com
Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com
Writing: http://icant.co.uk/


From lists at neptunewebworks.com  Mon Oct  2 02:41:58 2006
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:41:58 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Redirect to correct SSL Host on Apache
Message-ID: <006b01c6e5f6$44be5e40$650fa8c0@salamander>

Hello,
 
Our site hosted on Apache 1.3 has an SSL certificate installed on the null
host address, e.g. example.com (rather than, say,  www. or
secure.example.com).  While the php script redirects the client to the
correct host when clicking on links, sometimes people apparently type in
https://www.example.com and get a security warning popup in their browser,
because the certificate is good for example.com, but not for
www.example.com.  So my question is, how can I redirect clients to the
correct host without triggering a security warning in their browser?
 
This Apache 1.3.  I have access to both .htaccess and httpd.conf.  TIA!
-- 
Max Schwanekamp
NeptuneWebworks.com


From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Mon Oct  2 02:55:10 2006
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:55:10 +1000
Subject: [thelist] Redirect to correct SSL Host on Apache
In-Reply-To: <006b01c6e5f6$44be5e40$650fa8c0@salamander>
References: <006b01c6e5f6$44be5e40$650fa8c0@salamander>
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E691F5647@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

: -----Original Message-----
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Max Schwanekamp
: Subject: [thelist] Redirect to correct SSL Host on Apache
: 
: Our site hosted on Apache 1.3 has an SSL certificate installed on the
: null
: host address, e.g. example.com (rather than, say,  www. or
: secure.example.com).  While the php script redirects the client to the
: correct host when clicking on links, sometimes people apparently type
: in
: https://www.example.com and get a security warning popup in their
: browser,
: because the certificate is good for example.com, but not for
: www.example.com.  So my question is, how can I redirect clients to the
: correct host without triggering a security warning in their browser?
: 
: This Apache 1.3.  I have access to both .htaccess and httpd.conf.  TIA!


Since the SSL handshake occurs before anything happens HTTP wise, I'm not
sure there is anything you can do except:
a) get a wildcard cert that matches both example.com and www.example.com
b) setup two hosts (www.example.com and example.com), and get two
certificates. Redirect from one to the other

But not being an Apache expert, my advice could be off-base. Maybe there is
some way of doing this that I don't know about.

Cheers
Ken

--
My Blog: www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken




From st.schwarzer at geois.de  Mon Oct  2 04:05:18 2006
From: st.schwarzer at geois.de (Stefan Schwarzer)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:05:18 +0200
Subject: [thelist] AutoCompletion with Ajax and z-index Problems
In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd0610020010s40a80e8era2fbc54ede7ac546@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A397C5E1-B540-4633-8C1B-95284F6D14D8@geois.de>
	<30bd6ffd0610020010s40a80e8era2fbc54ede7ac546@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1DE37A9-FED8-4994-B449-EBF4904E7236@geois.de>


>> I implemented a Ajax Script for AutoCompletion for our keyword search
>> ( http://geodata.grid.unep.ch ). Everything works fine; it's only
>> that the "box" which opens with the suggested keyword list hides
>> behind an image below. (See http://geodata.grid.unep.ch/Picture4.png
>> or website.) I tried to use z-index (high value for the text box, low
>> value for image) but it didn't do anything...
>
> I suppose your problem is MSIE. If that is so, you need to apply the
> IFRAME hack to make sure that the combo box covers other form
> elements:
> http://weblogs.asp.net/bleroy/archive/2005/08/09/422047.aspx
>
> The YUI AutoComplete control has that built-in:
> http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/autocomplete/
>

Actually, unfortunately it's not the MSIE problem. It concerns all  
browsers...




From st.schwarzer at geois.de  Mon Oct  2 04:06:16 2006
From: st.schwarzer at geois.de (Stefan Schwarzer)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:06:16 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Country Lists
In-Reply-To: <000401c6e593$b8058300$0200000a@cjmarsh.com>
References: <000401c6e593$b8058300$0200000a@cjmarsh.com>
Message-ID: <2604DDCE-2A50-43A3-AEAD-8316C573FB80@geois.de>

>> There is a pretty comprehensive Wikipedia list at:
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country_names_in_various
>> _languages>

You may look at geonames.org. They have a webservice to retrieve  
country names in various local versions...


From chris at lwcdial.net  Mon Oct  2 04:17:12 2006
From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:17:12 +0100
Subject: [thelist] What's the sexiest looking CMS?
Message-ID: <087e01c6e603$e3a1a5f0$e000a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>

Honest.. this is my research brief.. to find the sexiest looking CMS
interface.

I don't think I'm the best to judge as my tastes are often obscure.

Not looking for the most erotic but the one that just sells itself before
anyone has even pressed a button.

If this message makes it out past my spam-blocking mail server be aware that
your reply may not make it back in :)

TIA

Chris



From codepo8 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 04:26:53 2006
From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:26:53 +0100
Subject: [thelist] What's the sexiest looking CMS?
In-Reply-To: <087e01c6e603$e3a1a5f0$e000a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
References: <087e01c6e603$e3a1a5f0$e000a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0610020226y5427769ew840f453b505505f7@mail.gmail.com>

> Honest.. this is my research brief.. to find the sexiest looking CMS
> interface.
>
> I don't think I'm the best to judge as my tastes are often obscure.
>
> Not looking for the most erotic but the one that just sells itself before
> anyone has even pressed a button.
>
> If this message makes it out past my spam-blocking mail server be aware that
> your reply may not make it back in :)

I found that most of those that look amazingly easy are a pain to
change or tweak to your needs. Furthermore, the more snazzy the
WYSIWYG interface, the crappier the quality of the content (as in -
editors will use tables and things to layout content and mess with
your overall CI).

That said:
Immediacy, RedDot

-- 
Chris Heilmann
Book: http://www.beginningjavascript.com
Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com
Writing: http://icant.co.uk/


From lists at soddengecko.com  Mon Oct  2 04:31:22 2006
From: lists at soddengecko.com (Mark Mckee)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:31:22 +0100
Subject: [thelist] What's the sexiest looking CMS?
In-Reply-To: <087e01c6e603$e3a1a5f0$e000a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
References: <087e01c6e603$e3a1a5f0$e000a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
Message-ID: <4520DC6A.7090503@soddengecko.com>

hi Chris

no idea if this will help you out, but over the last couple of years I 
have tried a fair few CMS systems and gave every single one up for 
WordPress.

granted that it is a mainly a blog but it is slowly evolving into a CMS. 
the standard theme looks real good and of course it is completely skinnable

some of my favourite CMS's are
http://www.typo3.com/
http://www.phpwcms.de/index.php
http://wordpress.org/

HTH

Kind regards

Mark M...

Chris Hayes wrote:
> Honest.. this is my research brief.. to find the sexiest looking CMS
> interface.
>
> I don't think I'm the best to judge as my tastes are often obscure.
>
> Not looking for the most erotic but the one that just sells itself before
> anyone has even pressed a button.
>
> If this message makes it out past my spam-blocking mail server be aware that
> your reply may not make it back in :)
>
> TIA
>
> Chris
>
>   



From st.schwarzer at geois.de  Mon Oct  2 04:52:35 2006
From: st.schwarzer at geois.de (Stefan Schwarzer)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:52:35 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Problems with "NAME" parameter in <INPUT TYPE="text" />
Message-ID: <9E7FCF22-C590-4DEB-AAB6-D6B73957A49B@geois.de>

Just discovered something bizarre:

I am working with an Ajax AutoCompletion script, which asks for the
       document.getElementById("selectedKeyword")

The HTML code is like this:
      <input type="text" id="selectedKeyword" name="selectedKeyword"  
tabindex="0" autocompletion="off" />

Now, the thing get's somewhat confusing:
    - as long as I have the 'name="selectedKeyword"' in the HTML code  
all browsers seem to reject the 'autocompletion="off"' parameter,  
which avoids a drop down box for keywords already entered in an  
earlier search;
    - if I don't use the 'name="selectedKeyword"' the keyword is not  
being transferred to the resulting page, thus showing all results  
instead of those matching the keyword

Any idea what I do wrong? Or if there is a workaround?

Many thanks already for any hints.



From lee.kowalkowski at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  2 04:58:12 2006
From: lee.kowalkowski at googlemail.com (Lee kowalkowski)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:58:12 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Problems with "NAME" parameter in <INPUT TYPE="text"
	/>
In-Reply-To: <9E7FCF22-C590-4DEB-AAB6-D6B73957A49B@geois.de>
References: <9E7FCF22-C590-4DEB-AAB6-D6B73957A49B@geois.de>
Message-ID: <610592c90610020258v71862c79l8f85dda413da2723@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/10/06, Stefan Schwarzer <st.schwarzer at geois.de> wrote:
> The HTML code is like this:
>      <input type="text" id="selectedKeyword" name="selectedKeyword"
> tabindex="0" autocompletion="off" />

It's autocomplete, not autocompletion.  Browsers don't submit fields
with no name.

-- 
LK


From java_fella at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  2 08:21:06 2006
From: java_fella at yahoo.com (WebMail)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 06:21:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [thelist] Contracts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1159722006.27262.thelist@lists.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <20061002132107.64191.qmail@web54410.mail.yahoo.com>


You should also look here, http://www.proposalkit.com/info.htm
for contracts & proposals specific to Web Development & Design. 

-rg/tg


> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 10:37:44 -0400
> From: "Robert Vreeland" <vreeland at studioframework.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] Contracts
> To: <cregyy at googlemail.com>,	<thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Message-ID: <003301c6e567$284d3ae0$0302a8c0 at studio.local>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Feel free to make use of my standard documents at
> http://studioframework.com/examples/ 
> In particular 'companyYproposal.doc', which is the general
> format I use for
> a contact.
> 
> As always, feel free to contact me off list if you have any
> questions
> Sincerely,
> Robert Vreeland
> Managing Partner 
> StudioFramework 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Richard
> Brown
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:49 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Contracts
> 
> Dear All
> 
> I am starting to consider contracts of employment. i.e. when a
> client says
> yes build me a website, getting them to sign something. I
> should have done
> this a long time ago but I haven't - big oops.
> 
> Has anybody got a contract that they will let me see and use
> as a draft
> please? Or can you point me in the right direction of one? A
> contract of
> engagement I am told is very important and I need to include
> things like:
> Reserve the use of the site until the site is finished and
> paid for
> 
> Any ideas please?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --
> Rich
> http://www.cregy.co.uk
> Embracing what God does for you is the best thing you can do
> for him. Romans
> 12 v 1
> -- 
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From codepo8 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 08:27:21 2006
From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:27:21 +0100
Subject: [thelist] The myth of Common Knowledge
Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0610020627v7592f0acj3a4e024773f1b9a0@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if you discovered the same, but I recently got the
impression that less and less information is being shared on forums,
mailing lists and chats. The larger part of any discussion seems to be
about implementation issues or wishing that things were different than
they are (CSS sucks, JavaScript sucks, Browsers suck...).

I blame a misconception of "Common Knowledge" for this. Many
developers seem to be too scared to give out small tidbits as they
consider them already known. However, seeing the traffic I get on some
blogposts about very basic things like "how to remove a border around
a linked image" or "how to link an image and a text with a rollover
effect" tells me otherwise.

To counteract this issue, there were a lot of website projects in the
past (and still are around, yet dormant - bytesizestandards.com,
treehouse...) and the problem there is that maintenance of these is a
full job these days.

I propose now not to hold back with your small gems of information
(much like the tips of faq bits here) and blog about them. Simple
"Problem -> Solution -> Possible Pitfalls" posts and tag them with the
tag "webdevtrick". It is pretty easy then to track what has been
talked about via technorati.com and you could easily show a "10 latest
tricks" by re-using the RSS feeds of Technorati. I am 100% sure that
even the most seasoned developers here will find some forgotten gem in
these once they start flooding in.

More info about the idea: http://www.wait-till-i.com/index.php?p=341

What do you think?

Chris

-- 
Chris Heilmann
Book: http://www.beginningjavascript.com
Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com
Writing: http://icant.co.uk/


From Chris at globet.com  Mon Oct  2 09:03:32 2006
From: Chris at globet.com (Chris at globet.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:03:32 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Country Lists
Message-ID: <CD3ADD94E937C04F8E0B27E964D506BC043166E9@globetpds.globet.com>

Stefan

[..]

> You may look at geonames.org. They have a webservice to 
> retrieve country names in various local versions...

This looks interesting, I shall investigate further thanks for the
information.

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From randalrust at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 09:23:01 2006
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:23:01 -0400
Subject: [thelist] The myth of Common Knowledge
In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd0610020627v7592f0acj3a4e024773f1b9a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30bd6ffd0610020627v7592f0acj3a4e024773f1b9a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a9caffe50610020723o67ae1f11s7b4792e9e21f285e@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/2/06, Christian Heilmann <codepo8 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know if you discovered the same, but I recently got the
> impression that less and less information is being shared on forums,
> mailing lists and chats.

Hey Chris. Interesting topic. I used to be heavily involved in WDL,
CSS-D, and, to a lesser extent, this list. I grew disinterested when
it seemed like all of the same questions and issues came up over and
over and over.

> The larger part of any discussion seems to be
> about implementation issues or wishing that things were different than
> they are (CSS sucks, JavaScript sucks, Browsers suck...).

Yeah, exactly.

> I blame a misconception of "Common Knowledge" for this.

I agree to some extent, but I think that it's because too many people
don't actually take the time to familiarize themselves with the
Standards. It is, like it has always been, an education issue.

> developers seem to be too scared to give out small tidbits as they
> consider them already known.

In my case, I just shook my head and stopped answering the same
questions about CSS layout (or whatever) for the millionth time. So I
got tired of it and pretty much stopped reading any of the emails. All
of these lists have archives, but people don't seem to use them.

> I propose now not to hold back with your small gems of information
> (much like the tips of faq bits here) and blog about them. Simple
> "Problem -> Solution -> Possible Pitfalls" posts and tag them with the
> tag "webdevtrick".

While I think that's a good idea, I think an even better idea is to
write articles like you did about the Yahoo UI panels. I have been
trying to dabble with these DHTML libraries, but the documentation is
not all that great (or nonexistent).

Your UI panels article really helps someone like me understand how
that whole Yahoo thing works.

Rather than rehashing the old stuff, I'd probably rather see articles,
etc. that showed how to do animations in the various DHTML libraries,
etc.

So I don't necessarily think it's a situation where information isn't
being shared. I'd say it's more along the lines of the right
information isn't being shared that keep the veterans interested in
being involved.

-- 
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From joel at spinhead.com  Mon Oct  2 09:30:34 2006
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel D Canfield)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:30:34 -0700
Subject: [thelist] The myth of Common Knowledge
Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A71763@ireland.spinhead.com>

> What do you think?

Excellent idea. 

Here's my real-world experience from a slightly different perspective:
I've been using spreadsheet software since the invention of the PC; MS
Excel since v2 for DOS - but I was self-taught. When I instituted our MS
Office training program at work, I reviewed some excellent training
materials, and learned surprising things in the earliest chapters, aimed
at complete newbies. Advanced users who attended the 101 class found the
same thing.

It seems that many of us here on thelist are primarily self-taught.
(That may be old knowledge.) It also seems to me that we have a pendulum
swing of these 'frequently asked [this month] questions.'

Sometimes those who've been around a while already know what pitfalls
the new developer is going to run into. But sometimes, it's the new
developer with their fresh perspective who is in the best position to
write a tip about how you shouldn't test for "a = b" when you meant to
test for "a == b", for instance.

One of the biggest failures I've seen in training, both classroom and
individual, is the trainer's assumptions about the pupil's knowledge:
exactly the syndrome you mention.

We might just have the greatest collective knowledge of web development
in existence right here on thelist. If someone venturing into the waters
today had access to a pool of obvious-to-me info, it could trim a lot of
time off their learning curve, and just maybe produce a better
next-generation of developers.

As a father of five, I've learned that sometimes the best training is to
answer the same questions over and over and over until the pupil
internalizes it. Yeah, my dad's favorite phrase was 'look it up!' when
we asked what a word meant, or what something was, or how it worked. But
he always spent the time to make sure we found our answers. There was a
balance between the extremes of "do it yourself" and spoon-feeding us
the answers.

I for one would be glad to take the moments it takes to type up brief
tips as they popped into my head. At the very least, when someone asks
the same old question, I can point them to the magic list of common
knowledge, instead of typing out the answer one more time. And, if my
tip is in an editable archive, others can expand and expound so it
gradually becomes the *best* answer, instead of deteriorating from a
really good explanation to a brief description to an incomplete rushed
response.

I'm probably also driven slightly by a desire to give back to evolt.org
'cause it's about 67% responsible for the web dev knowledge I own, such
as it is.

Count me in.

joel


From potatosculptor at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 10:01:59 2006
From: potatosculptor at gmail.com (sam foster)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:01:59 -0500
Subject: [thelist] The myth of Common Knowledge
In-Reply-To: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A71763@ireland.spinhead.com>
References: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A71763@ireland.spinhead.com>
Message-ID: <9e3dd260610020801q4dc261d5pf42ac913891932f3@mail.gmail.com>

Its all to easy to make assumptions about other peoples knowledge /
abilities. How many people have given a talk or presentation on one
topic, and someone says "whoa how did you flip between those
applications so fast. What's Alt tab?" Or wound up explaining the
differences between an absolute and relative path.

(at this point I'd suggest several people on the list will quietly
mutter to themselves, so what *is* the difference between an absolute
and relative path? And why is "./somepage.html" perfectly valid? ..
another assumption, sorry)

That's the value of having a list like this. The most basic SQL
question will push me into lurker mode and I'll sit back and soak it
up. But I can add to front-end development discussions, for example.

Recently I saw a presentation where the speaker showed some
conventions he'd come up with for formatting sql queries. Wow. Why
didn't I ever think of that.. a stupid simple thing that it turns out
is really important to someone. Same goes for regexp - in "Perl Best
Practices", Damien Conway advocates treating regexp as any other
subroutine, using the /x flag, and indenting and formatting as you
would any other. Its stuff like that...

Sam

On 10/2/06, Joel D Canfield <joel at spinhead.com> wrote:
> > What do you think?
>
> Excellent idea.
>


From peter at easylistbox.com  Mon Oct  2 10:02:21 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:02:21 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive Flash editors that won't mess with existing
	functionality
Message-ID: <5204cc90277f45f1980de1affb23d5f6@easylistbox.com>

Speaking of FAQs...

    A client of a friend is looking for a way to update things like contact info and images within their Flash site ( http://tinyurl.com/jzmjy ).  Their first thought was that they needed a web developer -- which may be the best way to go -- but I was wondering if anyone could recommend some easy-to-use editor that won't cripple or mess up the existing content.

Cheers,

Peter


From caseyc at IntelliSoftmn.com  Mon Oct  2 11:47:28 2006
From: caseyc at IntelliSoftmn.com (Casey Crookston)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:47:28 -0500
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class
Message-ID: <24233F1426CDC547B0CC54EEA493852002EFE9@ngsv31.my-netgain.com>

Okay - on this little xml project I'm doing, I have now successfully
send the original HTTP Post to the remote server and received an XML
response.  What I now need to do is parse the response with the .net
XMLDocument class.  This is how I'm receiving the response:

 

Dim stIn As New StreamReader(req.GetResponse().GetResponseStream())

 

Now I need to add the contents of the stream reader to an XMLtext
variable.  If I do it directly:

 

Dim xmlResponse As XmlText = stIn then it throws this error:

 

Value of type 'String' cannot be converted to 'System.Xml.XmlText'.

 

Understandable. So, I'm just wondering how I convert a string to xml so
I can then parse it out with XMLDocument.

 

Thanks!!!

 

Casey 



From peter at easylistbox.com  Mon Oct  2 11:58:54 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:58:54 -0700
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class
Message-ID: <886a96bb519843f894545af129d59152@easylistbox.com>



				Casey,

   The XmlDocument class has a Load method, which can accept a Stream object as input.  If that doesn't work, the Load method is overloaded to accept a TextReader as well, which you can get from the StreamReader's ReadToEnd method.

HTH,

Peter 

						From: "Casey Crookston" caseyc at IntelliSoftmn.com 

Okay - on this little xml project I'm doing, I have now successfully
send the original HTTP Post to the remote server and received an XML
response. What I now need to do is parse the response with the .net
XMLDocument class. This is how I'm receiving the response:

Dim stIn As New StreamReader(req.GetResponse().GetResponseStream())

Now I need to add the contents of the stream reader to an XMLtext
variable. If I do it directly:

Dim xmlResponse As XmlText = stIn then it throws this error:

Value of type 'String' cannot be converted to 'System.Xml.XmlText'.

Understandable. So, I'm just wondering how I convert a string to xml so
I can then parse it out with XMLDocument.

Thanks!!!

Casey 


From anthony at baratta.com  Mon Oct  2 11:59:56 2006
From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:59:56 -0700
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class
Message-ID: <fef3ae0beb5e9922c9230e012c2ad57f@baratta.com>

You need to load the returned stream into an XMLDoc first.

I use C#, but this should be similar:

            XmlDocument xd = new XmlDocument();
            xd.Load(stIn);

Then you can walk the XML Tree and get the data you want.


-----Original message-----
From: "Casey Crookston" caseyc at IntelliSoftmn.com
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:48:18 -0700
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class

> Okay - on this little xml project I'm doing, I have now successfully
> send the original HTTP Post to the remote server and received an XML
> response.  What I now need to do is parse the response with the .net
> XMLDocument class.  This is how I'm receiving the response:
> 
> Dim stIn As New StreamReader(req.GetResponse().GetResponseStream())
> 
> Now I need to add the contents of the stream reader to an XMLtext
> variable.  If I do it directly:



From Chris at globet.com  Mon Oct  2 12:06:44 2006
From: Chris at globet.com (Chris at globet.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:06:44 +0100
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class
Message-ID: <CD3ADD94E937C04F8E0B27E964D506BC043166F4@globetpds.globet.com>

Casey

[..]

> Dim xmlResponse As XmlText = stIn then it throws this error:
> 
> Value of type 'String' cannot be converted to 'System.Xml.XmlText'.
> 
> Understandable. So, I'm just wondering how I convert a string 
> to xml so I can then parse it out with XMLDocument.

When I used the search term "System.Xml.XmlText" in Google
(<http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=System.Xml.XmlText&btnG=Google+
Search&meta=>), the first result was the following:

<http://www.topxml.com/system_xml/system_xml_xmltext.asp>

This article suggested that you would use the following technique.

xmlResponse = objDocument.CreateTextNode(stIn)

[..]

Google can be a pretty good resource for basic questions such as this,
and will yield potential solutions faster than theList. It's also worth
factoring time into your schedule for learning new technologies. I
personally try to spend at least 1 hour each weekday dedicated to
learning new stuff. If you learn the basics, you'll find it a lot easier
to pick up the more complex stuff. Also, the MSDN documentation is
freely available for all .NET related technologies. It will help you out
if you take a little time to familiarise yourself with this resource.

Cheers!

-- 
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From caseyc at IntelliSoftmn.com  Mon Oct  2 12:13:24 2006
From: caseyc at IntelliSoftmn.com (Casey Crookston)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:13:24 -0500
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class
Message-ID: <24233F1426CDC547B0CC54EEA493852002EFEA@ngsv31.my-netgain.com>

Thanks Peter and Chris,

XmlDocument xd = new XmlDocument();
xd.Load(stIn);

Trouble seems to be that it won't accept a string in the load() method.
I'm told by Visual Studio that it must be a URL to a file.

Casey 




From caseyc at IntelliSoftmn.com  Mon Oct  2 12:15:35 2006
From: caseyc at IntelliSoftmn.com (Casey Crookston)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:15:35 -0500
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class
Message-ID: <24233F1426CDC547B0CC54EEA493852002EFEB@ngsv31.my-netgain.com>

>> Google can be a pretty good resource for basic questions such as this
<<

Thanks Chris.  I always give it good half hour to hour researching on
Google before asking this list.  No expectation here. 




From julian.rickards at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 12:17:23 2006
From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:17:23 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Mark of the Web
Message-ID: <7613e9690610021017s2457f2bp3f0ff94be54c9c37@mail.gmail.com>

Hi:

In Dreamweaver, there is a function called Mark of the Web. Its purpose is
to insert a comment tag at the top of the page to suggest that the page was
downloaded from the Internet (<!-- saved from url=(0014)about:internet -->).
When designing pages that require an Active-X function, such as a page with
a flash object, IE6 will not allow you to run them locally unless you either
(1) click the popup bar in IE to allow the scripting to run or (2) insert
this Mark of the Web into the page.

If I left this Mark of the Web in the page and uploaded the page to my web
site, might this pose a security issue for another user? Although there is
an "Insert Mark of the Web", there is no "Remove Mark of the Web" so I am
assuming that there is no security issue associated with this.

Can someone clarify please?

Thanks,

Jules

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Blog: http://pen-and-ink.ca


From julian.rickards at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 12:29:23 2006
From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:29:23 -0400
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript loading of <object> tag
Message-ID: <7613e9690610021029t1baaaeb4y1012a3798e0e57dc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi:

Another Dreamweaver question although it might not be specific to DW.

When I insert a flash object, DW precedes the <object> tag with a <script>
tag that appears to load the flash object, judging from the parameters in
the code and then surrounds the <object> tag with the <noscript> element.

Is this code the result of the EOLAS patent or does it have another purpose?

Example:

<script type="text/javascript">
AC_FL_RunContent('codebase','
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=7,0,19,0','width','780','height','428','title','BiltmoreVillage
Inn','src','images/home','quality','high','pluginspage','
http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer','movie','images/home' ); //end
AC code
</script>
<noscript>
<object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=7,0,19,0"
width="780" height="428" title="Biltmore Village Inn">
      <param name="movie" value="images/home.swf" />
      <param name="quality" value="high" />
      <embed src="images/home.swf" quality="high" pluginspage="
http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer"
type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="780" height="428"></embed>
</object>
</noscript>


Jules

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Blog: http://pen-and-ink.ca


From JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org  Mon Oct  2 12:47:59 2006
From: JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:47:59 -0700
Subject: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
Message-ID: <D989D815774A9D45BB0AF4892EF7300801726373@sem01prd.smf.pacadvantage.org>

I have a query which in MSSQL's query analyzer returns exactly the
results I expect. I have an ASP page on our intranet where run the
query, then use GetRows on the results set.

Can anyone see why, no matter what I do, item 4 (the one numbered '4,i',
not the fourth item) in this is blank, every time for every query?

With Response
	.Write("<tr class=""small"">" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf)
	.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(0,i) & "</td>" & vbCrLf)
	.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(1,i) & "</td>" & vbCrLf)
	.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(2,i) & "</td>" & vbCrLf)
	.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(3,i) & "</td>" & vbCrLf)
	.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(4,i) & "</td>" & vbCrLf)
	.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(5,i) & "</td>" & vbCrLf)
	.Write("</tr>" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf)
End With

++++++++++++++++++

Here's the full section of code in all its glory:

strQuery = "select WO_NUM, REQDATE, TYPE, TASK, DESCRIPT, NOTE from
TASKS where " & strTypeForSearch & strRequestor & strDateRange & "
((TASK like '%" & arySearchTerms(0) & "%'" &
strAdditionalSearchTermsTask & ") or (DESCRIPT like '%" &
arySearchTerms(0) & "%'" & strAdditionalSearchTermsDescript & ") or
(NOTE like '%" & arySearchTerms(0) & "%'" & strAdditionalSearchTermsNote
& ")) order by WO_NUM desc"

response.write(strQuery)

Set ExactResultsList = cnxW.Execute(strQuery)
If Not(ExactResultsList.BOF And ExactResultsList.EOF) Then
	aryExactResultsList = ExactResultsList.GetRows
	Set ExactResultsList = Nothing
	Response.Write("<h1 class=""warning"">Exact Matches</h1>")
	Response.Write("<table>")
	Response.Write("<th>WO#</th><th>Req.
Date</th><th>Type</th><th>Summary</th><th>Description</th><th>Updates</t
h></tr>" & vbCrLf)
	For i = 0 to UBound(aryExactResultsList,2)
		With Response
			.Write("<tr class=""small"">" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf)
			.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(0,i) &
"</td>" & vbCrLf)
			.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(1,i) &
"</td>" & vbCrLf)
			.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(2,i) &
"</td>" & vbCrLf)
			.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(3,i) &
"</td>" & vbCrLf)
			.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(4,i) &
"</td>" & vbCrLf)
			.Write("<td>" & aryExactResultsList(5,i) &
"</td>" & vbCrLf)
			.Write("</tr>" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf)
		End With
	Next
	Response.Write("</table>")
End If

The query as spewed to the page is

select WO_NUM, REQDATE, TYPE, TASK, DESCRIPT, NOTE from TASKS where
REQDATE between '2004-01-01' and '2006-09-30' and ((TASK like
'%joecanfi%' And TASK like '%micmarti%' And TASK like '%pactrac%' ) or
(DESCRIPT like '%joecanfi%' And DESCRIPT like '%micmarti%' And DESCRIPT
like '%pactrac%' ) or (NOTE like '%joecanfi%' And NOTE like '%micmarti%'
And NOTE like '%pactrac%' )) order by WO_NUM desc

The contents returned for the DESCRIPT field [which I sincerely hope is
aryExactResultsList(4,i)] are plain text, nothing unusual or surprising.
I have eleventyleven web tools accessing this data, so I'm fairly sure
it's not the data.

Thanks.

joel


From Chris at globet.com  Mon Oct  2 12:52:06 2006
From: Chris at globet.com (Chris at globet.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:52:06 +0100
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class
Message-ID: <CD3ADD94E937C04F8E0B27E964D506BC043166F6@globetpds.globet.com>

Casey

> Thanks Peter and Chris,
> 
> XmlDocument xd = new XmlDocument();
> xd.Load(stIn);
> 
> Trouble seems to be that it won't accept a string in the 
> load() method.
> I'm told by Visual Studio that it must be a URL to a file.

Try xd.LoadXml(stIn).

HTH

-- 
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Software Developer
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f: +44 20 8246 4808
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From anthony at baratta.com  Mon Oct  2 12:56:28 2006
From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:56:28 -0700
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class
Message-ID: <078e62691d3bba17214c84d3cb95a4e8@baratta.com>

Try this instead:

 XmlDocument xd = new XmlDocument();
 xd.Load(req.GetResponse().GetResponseStream());

-----Original message-----
From: "Casey Crookston" caseyc at IntelliSoftmn.com
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:14:13 -0700
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class

> Thanks Peter and Chris,
> 
> XmlDocument xd = new XmlDocument();
> xd.Load(stIn);
> 
> Trouble seems to be that it won't accept a string in the load() method.
> I'm told by Visual Studio that it must be a URL to a file.
> 
> Casey 



From anthony at baratta.com  Mon Oct  2 12:57:49 2006
From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:57:49 -0700
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class
Message-ID: <3f03c8bdb0650566b26c15c58a4c7a5a@baratta.com>

Should have added:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/cpref/html/frlrfsystemxmlxmldocumentclassloadtopic.asp



From anthony at baratta.com  Mon Oct  2 12:59:39 2006
From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:59:39 -0700
Subject: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
Message-ID: <89913cfc9bea2799b17deb14f2e85a44@baratta.com>

What are the DB column types of each of the columns returned?



From peter at easylistbox.com  Mon Oct  2 13:05:38 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:05:38 -0700
Subject: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
Message-ID: <7b47069187324bdf8e5de5c215ebb5b5@easylistbox.com>


		   Just to clarify... DESCRIPT is a text field (as opposed to varchar)?  If so, you may have to place it last in the query; I've heard of this happening with text fields in SQL Server (or Memo fields in Access), but that was a long time ago...

SELECT WO_NUM, REQDATE, TYPE, TASK, NOTE, DESCRIPT 

Peter

				From: "Canfield, Joel" JCanfield at PacAdvantage.org

I have a query which in MSSQL's query analyzer returns exactly the
results I expect. I have an ASP page on our intranet where run the
query, then use GetRows on the results set.

Can anyone see why, no matter what I do, item 4 (the one numbered '4,i',
not the fourth item) in this is blank, every time for every query?

With Response
.Write("" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf)
.Write("" & aryExactResultsList(0,i) & "	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("" & aryExactResultsList(1,i) & "	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("" & aryExactResultsList(2,i) & "	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("" & aryExactResultsList(3,i) & "	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("" & aryExactResultsList(4,i) & "	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("" & aryExactResultsList(5,i) & "	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("
" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf)
End With

++++++++++++++++++

Here's the full section of code in all its glory:

strQuery = "select WO_NUM, REQDATE, TYPE, TASK, DESCRIPT, NOTE from
TASKS where " & strTypeForSearch & strRequestor & strDateRange & "
((TASK like '%" & arySearchTerms(0) & "%'" &
strAdditionalSearchTermsTask & ") or (DESCRIPT like '%" &
arySearchTerms(0) & "%'" & strAdditionalSearchTermsDescript & ") or
(NOTE like '%" & arySearchTerms(0) & "%'" & strAdditionalSearchTermsNote
& ")) order by WO_NUM desc"

response.write(strQuery)

Set ExactResultsList = cnxW.Execute(strQuery)
If Not(ExactResultsList.BOF And ExactResultsList.EOF) Then
aryExactResultsList = ExactResultsList.GetRows
Set ExactResultsList = Nothing
Response.Write("
Exact Matches")
Response.Write("

")
Response.Write("
WO#Req.
DateTypeSummaryDescriptionUpdates>
" & vbCrLf)
For i = 0 to UBound(aryExactResultsList,2)
With Response
.Write("
" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf)
.Write("
" & aryExactResultsList(0,i) &
"	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("
" & aryExactResultsList(1,i) &
"	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("
" & aryExactResultsList(2,i) &
"	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("
" & aryExactResultsList(3,i) &
"	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("
" & aryExactResultsList(4,i) &
"	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("
" & aryExactResultsList(5,i) &
"	 " & vbCrLf)
.Write("
" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf)
End With
Next
Response.Write("
")
End If

The query as spewed to the page is

select WO_NUM, REQDATE, TYPE, TASK, DESCRIPT, NOTE from TASKS where
REQDATE between '2004-01-01' and '2006-09-30' and ((TASK like
'%joecanfi%' And TASK like '%micmarti%' And TASK like '%pactrac%' ) or
(DESCRIPT like '%joecanfi%' And DESCRIPT like '%micmarti%' And DESCRIPT
like '%pactrac%' ) or (NOTE like '%joecanfi%' And NOTE like '%micmarti%'
And NOTE like '%pactrac%' )) order by WO_NUM desc

The contents returned for the DESCRIPT field [which I sincerely hope is
aryExactResultsList(4,i)] are plain text, nothing unusual or surprising.
I have eleventyleven web tools accessing this data, so I'm fairly sure
it's not the data.

Thanks.

joel
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From caseyc at IntelliSoftmn.com  Mon Oct  2 13:18:05 2006
From: caseyc at IntelliSoftmn.com (Casey Crookston)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:18:05 -0500
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET parsing xml response with XMLDocument class
Message-ID: <24233F1426CDC547B0CC54EEA493852002EFED@ngsv31.my-netgain.com>

>>Try xd.LoadXml(stIn<<

Bingo.  Thanks for the article as well, Anthony.




From jdowdell at adobe.com  Mon Oct  2 13:29:49 2006
From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:29:49 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Z-index and flash
In-Reply-To: <20060928200552.GA4832@hank.org>
References: <20060928200552.GA4832@hank.org>
Message-ID: <45215A9D.2070704@adobe.com>

Bill Moseley wrote:
> Do others see the same thing?  Is there anything special required to
> set the z-index for Flash?  I remember in the past having some trouble
> getting z-index to work with flash across different browsers.

Anthony had the links, and the catchphrase is "The answer is WMODE".

DHTML-enhanced browsers can composite and layer the content they render. 
They usually let browser extensions (plugins & controls) handle their 
own rendering, directly-to-screen, for speed. More and more browsers 
have added a switch so that an extension can instead pipe their output 
into the browser's compositing buffer, and many extensions have been 
written to tap into that ability. The way this piping is triggered is 
via the WMODE argument in the OBJECT & EMBED tags.

With the Adobe Flash Player, this handles both layering and 
background-transparent compositing, so that you can overlay 
non-rectangular visuals atop the HTML body.

I see in the source to the parkdayschool.com that the OBJECT tag has a 
WMODE value of "window", and the EMBED tag has a value of "opaque", so 
different browsers might end up displaying differently here.

jd






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From jdowdell at adobe.com  Mon Oct  2 13:32:31 2006
From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:32:31 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive Flash editors that won't mess with
 existing functionality
In-Reply-To: <5204cc90277f45f1980de1affb23d5f6@easylistbox.com>
References: <5204cc90277f45f1980de1affb23d5f6@easylistbox.com>
Message-ID: <45215B3F.1040404@adobe.com>

Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote:
>     A client of a friend is looking for a way to update things like contact info and images within their Flash site ( http://tinyurl.com/jzmjy ).  Their first thought was that they needed a web developer -- which may be the best way to go -- but I was wondering if anyone could recommend some easy-to-use editor that won't cripple or mess up the existing content.

It's pretty straightforward to separate the data and the presentation -- 
you can keep the changing contact data in the HTML itself (search 
"flashvars") or in an external XML file or web service which is called 
on demand.

But if the original presentation was made with the data hardcoded into 
the SWF, then it would need to be reworked to accommodate this 
separation of data and container.

jd





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From peter at easylistbox.com  Mon Oct  2 13:40:14 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:40:14 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive Flash editors that won't mess with
	existing functionality
Message-ID: <35dcee86a7e34760a57c0b307d65b4b8@easylistbox.com>


		Thanks for the reply, John.

I'm not looking for a way to redo the presentation at this point, although that might be a good long-term solution.

Upon closer examination, it looks like the site was built with Swish (version not immediately apparent)... looks like we'll have to go a step or two deeper to get the full story.

Peter

				From: John Dowdell <jdowdell at adobe.com>

Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote:
> A client of a friend is looking for a way to update things like contact info and images within their Flash site ( http://tinyurl.com/jzmjy ). Their first thought was that they needed a web developer -- which may be the best way to go -- but I was wondering if anyone could recommend some easy-to-use editor that won't cripple or mess up the existing content.

It's pretty straightforward to separate the data and the presentation -- 
you can keep the changing contact data in the HTML itself (search 
"flashvars") or in an external XML file or web service which is called 
on demand.

But if the original presentation was made with the data hardcoded into 
the SWF, then it would need to be reworked to accommodate this 
separation of data and container.

jd



From lists at neptunewebworks.com  Mon Oct  2 13:56:01 2006
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:56:01 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Redirect to correct SSL Host on Apache
In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E691F5647@kjserver1.kjhome.local>
Message-ID: <009a01c6e654$69446850$650fa8c0@salamander>

Ken Schaefer wrote:
>> So my question is, how can I redirect 
>> clients to the
>> correct host without triggering a security warning in their browser?
>> This Apache 1.3.  I have access to both .htaccess and 
> httpd.conf.  TIA!
> 
> Since the SSL handshake occurs before anything happens HTTP 
> wise, I'm not sure there is anything you can do except:
> a) get a wildcard cert that matches both example.com and 
> www.example.com
> b) setup two hosts (www.example.com and example.com), and get 
> two certificates. Redirect from one to the other

Thanks Ken.  Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, but I wasn't sure if it
was possible to have Apache somehow respond to the initial request pre-SSL
handshake.  Guess that doesn't really make sense! :(

The trick is, this server is admin'ed with cPanel, and we're trying to stay
within its parameters.  cPanel seems to make the assumption that any given
domain will have at most 1 SSL host.  Anyone have any experience installing
multiple SSL hosts for the same domain via cPanel WHM?  (might be question
better posed to cPanel forums, but it's worth a try).  

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> 
> But not being an Apache expert, my advice could be off-base. 
> Maybe there is some way of doing this that I don't know about.
> 
> Cheers
> Ken
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From mantruc at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 15:25:27 2006
From: mantruc at gmail.com (Javier Velasco)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:25:27 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Tittle tags on Drupal
Message-ID: <cd90e4570610021325l17077819j75b368c2e8ac4d86@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I need to know how to handle tittle tags on Drupal in such a mannner that
they can reflect the title of the page in display, just as is done on the
www.evolt.org website.

I'm overlooking the development of a site I designed and the dude who's
coding tells me the template uses includes and the header is out of his
reach. Is there a plugin for this? How is the trick done?

thanks in advance
javier


From lists at joslins.net  Mon Oct  2 15:31:11 2006
From: lists at joslins.net (Jeffrey Joslin)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:31:11 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Tittle tags on Drupal
In-Reply-To: <cd90e4570610021325l17077819j75b368c2e8ac4d86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd90e4570610021325l17077819j75b368c2e8ac4d86@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4521770F.9050203@joslins.net>

Javier Velasco wrote:
...
> I need to know how to handle tittle tags on Drupal in such a mannner that
> they can reflect the title of the page in display, just as is done on the
> www.evolt.org website.
> 
> I'm overlooking the development of a site I designed and the dude who's
> coding tells me the template uses includes and the header is out of his
> reach. Is there a plugin for this? How is the trick done?

Javier,

Have you looked here?
http://drupal.org/project/page_title

hth,

jj


From jdowdell at adobe.com  Mon Oct  2 15:43:15 2006
From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:43:15 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Mark of the Web
In-Reply-To: <7613e9690610021017s2457f2bp3f0ff94be54c9c37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7613e9690610021017s2457f2bp3f0ff94be54c9c37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <452179E3.8070409@adobe.com>

Julian Rickards wrote:
> In Dreamweaver, there is a function called Mark of the Web. Its purpose is
> to insert a comment tag at the top of the page to suggest that the page was
> downloaded from the Internet (<!-- saved from url=(0014)about:internet -->).
> When designing pages that require an Active-X function, such as a page with
> a flash object, IE6 will not allow you to run them locally unless you either
> (1) click the popup bar in IE to allow the scripting to run or (2) insert
> this Mark of the Web into the page.
> If I left this Mark of the Web in the page and uploaded the page to my web
> site, might this pose a security issue for another user? Although there is
> an "Insert Mark of the Web", there is no "Remove Mark of the Web" so I am
> assuming that there is no security issue associated with this.

My memory is that IE6 or so introduced that "mark of the web" indicator 
so that you could develop and view your page on your local machine in 
the Microsoft browser... the HTML would be "marked" as a document which 
could enjoy full web privileges, rather than being handled as a local 
file, which might be subject to stricter security permissions.

(Other browsers haven't had to have this same taxonomy of security zones 
and what-all, because Microsoft's original design included 
system-altering abilities in their reader for documents you might browse 
to on the web.)

Summary: I don't remember any impact on normal web viewing of such HTML 
with a "mark of the web" tag -- that marker was originally for use when 
developing, and viewing web content from your local machine instead.

jd




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From jdowdell at adobe.com  Mon Oct  2 15:46:50 2006
From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:46:50 -0700
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript loading of <object> tag
In-Reply-To: <7613e9690610021029t1baaaeb4y1012a3798e0e57dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7613e9690610021029t1baaaeb4y1012a3798e0e57dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45217ABA.3050302@adobe.com>

Julian Rickards wrote:
> When I insert a flash object, DW precedes the <object> tag with a <script>
> tag that appears to load the flash object, judging from the parameters in
> the code and then surrounds the <object> tag with the <noscript> element.
> Is this code the result of the EOLAS patent or does it have another purpose?

People have written their extension tags dynamically for a number of 
different reasons over the years:

--  advertisers have wanted to abstract their instructions from the page 
descriptions;
--  web-standards advocates have wanted to obey the letter of the spec, 
while still being functional within the spirit of today's browsers;
--  Microsoft changed functionality recently, after a legal challenge, 
so that OBJECT, EMBED and APPLET tags did not automatically work in a page.

A recent change to Dreamweaver changed the extension-embedding tagging, 
so that viewers in Microsoft browsers would not see that little "click 
to activate" advice on rollovers.

jd




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From mantruc at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 15:49:08 2006
From: mantruc at gmail.com (Javier Velasco)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:49:08 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Tittle tags on Drupal
In-Reply-To: <4521770F.9050203@joslins.net>
References: <cd90e4570610021325l17077819j75b368c2e8ac4d86@mail.gmail.com>
	<4521770F.9050203@joslins.net>
Message-ID: <cd90e4570610021349y1c315292w824f65c68a769249@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jeff,

We'll look into this.

best
javier

On 10/2/06, Jeffrey Joslin <lists at joslins.net> wrote:
>
> Javier Velasco wrote:
> ...
> > I need to know how to handle tittle tags on Drupal in such a mannner
> that
> > they can reflect the title of the page in display, just as is done on
> the
> > www.evolt.org website.
> >
> > I'm overlooking the development of a site I designed and the dude who's
> > coding tells me the template uses includes and the header is out of his
> > reach. Is there a plugin for this? How is the trick done?
>
> Javier,
>
> Have you looked here?
> http://drupal.org/project/page_title
>
> hth,
>
> jj
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From joel at spinhead.com  Mon Oct  2 16:30:44 2006
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel D Canfield)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:30:44 -0700
Subject: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A71764@ireland.spinhead.com>

> 		   Just to clarify... DESCRIPT is a text field 
> (as opposed to varchar)?  If so, you may have to place it 
> last in the query; I've heard of this happening with text 
> fields in SQL Server (or Memo fields in Access), but that was 
> a long time ago...
> 
> SELECT WO_NUM, REQDATE, TYPE, TASK, NOTE, DESCRIPT 

Interesting. The fields above (your updated order) are of types int,
datetime, varchar(64), varchar(100), text, text

So, I've got two text fields. If that's really what's going on (I'll
check) this could be interesting. 

Or, since I'm leaving the company next Tuesday and they're closing by
end of year, maybe I'll forget GetRows and just keep the recordset open
for the ten seconds it takes to MoveNext through it. Ultra low usage on
these tools on a LAN, so I'm just barely interested in optimization.

Thanks

joel


From ontheroad at frii.com  Mon Oct  2 16:39:06 2006
From: ontheroad at frii.com (Bob Meetin)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:39:06 -0600
Subject: [thelist] ImageMagick and convert
Message-ID: <452186FA.8080907@frii.com>

I use the convert option ImageMagick (on a linux server) to 
increase/decrease the compression of uploaded files.  For instance if a 
client uploads a 500KB file, I use convert to make it a lighter file.  
I'm coupling that with  a php while loop to keep checking the file size, 
and once it reaches, say 50K, it will break out. 

The code is: 

$make_file = system("convert $file -density 72x72 -quality 100  
'$newfile'", $retval);

The command seems to work, but I don't understand the results.   At best 
I would expect quality of 100(%) to get me an image about the same size 
as the original, but no, it is approximately double, turning a 182k 
image into 406k.  Adjusting to 50(%) results in 94k and 30(%) results in 
69k with 10% to 35k and a worthless file. 

What am I missing, why does 100% more than double the file size?

-Bob





From joel at spinhead.com  Mon Oct  2 16:53:03 2006
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel D Canfield)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:53:03 -0700
Subject: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A71765@ireland.spinhead.com>

> > SELECT WO_NUM, REQDATE, TYPE, TASK, NOTE, DESCRIPT 
> 
> Interesting. The fields above (your updated order) are of types int,
> datetime, varchar(64), varchar(100), text, text
> 
> So, I've got two text fields.

That is indeed the issue; text fields will only populate the GetRows
thingy if they're the last field in the select.

I'll run off to do some research (tomorrow morning when I'm back in the
office) but if y'all know how I should be doing this, I'd love to hear
it.

thanks again

joel


From julian.rickards at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 17:06:37 2006
From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:06:37 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Mark of the Web
In-Reply-To: <452179E3.8070409@adobe.com>
References: <7613e9690610021017s2457f2bp3f0ff94be54c9c37@mail.gmail.com>
	<452179E3.8070409@adobe.com>
Message-ID: <7613e9690610021506w5b5ff4e2w6b13dd5a4add008f@mail.gmail.com>

I take it then that the Mark does not create any security issues if it were
left in the web page when uploaded.

Jules

On 02/10/06, John Dowdell <jdowdell at adobe.com> wrote:
>
>
> Summary: I don't remember any impact on normal web viewing of such HTML
> with a "mark of the web" tag -- that marker was originally for use when
> developing, and viewing web content from your local machine instead.


From julian.rickards at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 17:07:10 2006
From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:07:10 -0400
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript loading of <object> tag
In-Reply-To: <45217ABA.3050302@adobe.com>
References: <7613e9690610021029t1baaaeb4y1012a3798e0e57dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<45217ABA.3050302@adobe.com>
Message-ID: <7613e9690610021507s9c3b163kbecfee58f3589bd1@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks,

Jules

On 02/10/06, John Dowdell <jdowdell at adobe.com> wrote:
>
>
> A recent change to Dreamweaver changed the extension-embedding tagging,
> so that viewers in Microsoft browsers would not see that little "click
> to activate" advice on rollovers.


From anthony at baratta.com  Mon Oct  2 20:01:06 2006
From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:01:06 -0700
Subject: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
In-Reply-To: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A71765@ireland.spinhead.com>
References: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A71765@ireland.spinhead.com>
Message-ID: <4521B652.2040108@baratta.com>

Joel D Canfield wrote:
> 
> I'll run off to do some research (tomorrow morning when I'm back in the
> office) but if y'all know how I should be doing this, I'd love to hear
> it.

What I've done in the past is use two recordsets, one for the extra Text 
Field. And store both of those in two different arrays.



From peter at easylistbox.com  Mon Oct  2 20:00:09 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:00:09 -0700
Subject: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
Message-ID: <9231dbb85fd4454f83465f8a74e1fed5@easylistbox.com>


		   I guess you could pick a field that you don't mind truncating, convert it to varchar(8000), and make it second last...

*spinning wheels*

Peter

				From: "Joel D Canfield" joel at spinhead.com

> > SELECT WO_NUM, REQDATE, TYPE, TASK, NOTE, DESCRIPT 
> 
> Interesting. The fields above (your updated order) are of types int,
> datetime, varchar(64), varchar(100), text, text
> 
> So, I've got two text fields.

That is indeed the issue; text fields will only populate the GetRows
thingy if they're the last field in the select.

I'll run off to do some research (tomorrow morning when I'm back in the
office) but if y'all know how I should be doing this, I'd love to hear
it.

thanks again

joel


From joel at spinhead.com  Mon Oct  2 20:04:46 2006
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel D Canfield)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:04:46 -0700
Subject: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A7176C@ireland.spinhead.com>

> What I've done in the past is use two recordsets, one for the 
> extra Text 
> Field. And store both of those in two different arrays.

heh; that wins over Peter's db modification scheme ;)

thanks, both of you. I'll probably go with this one

joel


From peter at easylistbox.com  Mon Oct  2 20:20:53 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:20:53 -0700
Subject: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
Message-ID: <7de316ee3de5409c8c954c3c2ea35a0b@easylistbox.com>


		   To be fair, I wasn't suggesting modifying the DB -- just your query :)

   Still, if you don't want to truncate a possible gigantic field, Anthony's is the way to go...

Peter

				From: "Joel D Canfield" joel at spinhead.com

> What I've done in the past is use two recordsets, one for the 
> extra Text 
> Field. And store both of those in two different arrays.

heh; that wins over Peter's db modification scheme ;)

thanks, both of you. I'll probably go with this one

joel


From lists at soddengecko.com  Mon Oct  2 23:23:09 2006
From: lists at soddengecko.com (Mark Mckee)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:23:09 +0100
Subject: [thelist] mysql error [was mysql help]
Message-ID: <4521E5AD.2060308@soddengecko.com>

hi all

thanks to the advice and info from the people here i have managed to 
finish my script.

i do get a slight problem though, when someone tries to add a link when 
a category does not exist, it out puts this mysql error

Warning: mysql_fetch_array(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL 
result resource in /opt/lampp/htdocs/link_manager/add_link.php on line 16

this is the code on that page

<!--POPULATE DROPDOWN BOX -->
<?
// Connect to the correct database
include "dbconnect.php";
// Select correct fileds to show
$sql="SELECT id, catagory FROM catagories ORDER BY catagory";
$result=mysql_query($sql);
// Populate the OPTIONS variable
$options="";
// Fetch the data
while ($row=mysql_fetch_array($result)) {              <---------line 16
// Display data in this format
     $id=$row["id"];
     $catagory=$row["catagory"];
     $options.="<OPTION VALUE=\"$catagory\">$catagory</option>\n";
}
?>

what would i have to do so that the script will detect that no category 
has been created and output a message to say that?


kind regards

mark m....


From robertpstrange at msn.com  Tue Oct  3 00:57:05 2006
From: robertpstrange at msn.com (robert strange)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:57:05 -0400
Subject: [thelist] /php db query/call problem
In-Reply-To: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A71765@ireland.spinhead.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-F145D8665BCCA73C72B9B12D11C0@phx.gbl>

Here is one for the php gurus,

call two tables from a php script, ( on a server), and execute a client 
sided exe with those 5 parameters,


background is a gaming site

table one is a a user's table

table two is the game ports and defintions table and ip


any responses can be emailed to robertpstrange at msn.com


and thanks


and yes


this is strange_writer and i have contributed to alot of people on this 
forum that needed help

this is my turn to ask


i was gunna do it in java, but java, number one is public, and number two, 
cant connect to the mysql db


5 fields are these
look up the RoomXXin the database by searching on the ?Room_XX? column, and 
from that obtain the ?Room_IpXXX? and ?Room_PortXXX? variables.
Then, using the player?s login information, it looks in the ?Users? table to 
obtain the ?username?, ?user_id? and ?user_password? variables.
Then, it invokes the client (whose program name will be XXX.exe) with the 
following parameters:
XXX.exe username,user_password,user_id,Room_IpAddy,RoomPort


thanks

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From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Tue Oct  3 00:58:24 2006
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:58:24 +1000
Subject: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
In-Reply-To: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A7176C@ireland.spinhead.com>
References: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A7176C@ireland.spinhead.com>
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E691F5670@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

: -----Original Message-----
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Joel D Canfield
: Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2006 11:05 AM
: To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
: Subject: Re: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
: 
: > What I've done in the past is use two recordsets, one for the
: > extra Text
: > Field. And store both of those in two different arrays.
: 
: heh; that wins over Peter's db modification scheme ;)
: 
: thanks, both of you. I'll probably go with this one
: 
: joel

Depending on if have >1 text fields in your query or not, you may still need
to go down the route of using .GetChunk if you have more than a certain
amount of data in each text field. See:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=200124

Cheers
Ken

--
My Blog: www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken


From philip at turmel.org  Tue Oct  3 06:09:41 2006
From: philip at turmel.org (Phil Turmel)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:09:41 -0400
Subject: [thelist] mysql error [was mysql help]
In-Reply-To: <4521E5AD.2060308@soddengecko.com>
References: <4521E5AD.2060308@soddengecko.com>
Message-ID: <452244F5.4050609@turmel.org>

Mark Mckee wrote:
> Warning: mysql_fetch_array(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL 
> result resource in /opt/lampp/htdocs/link_manager/add_link.php on line 16
> 
> <!--POPULATE DROPDOWN BOX -->
> <?
> // Connect to the correct database
> include "dbconnect.php";
> // Select correct fileds to show
> $sql="SELECT id, catagory FROM catagories ORDER BY catagory";
> $result=mysql_query($sql);
> // Populate the OPTIONS variable
> $options="";
> // Fetch the data
> while ($row=mysql_fetch_array($result)) {              <---------line 16
> // Display data in this format
>      $id=$row["id"];
>      $catagory=$row["catagory"];
>      $options.="<OPTION VALUE=\"$catagory\">$catagory</option>\n";
> }
> ?>
> 
> what would i have to do so that the script will detect that no category 
> has been created and output a message to say that?
> 
Mark,

Something else must be wrong, as a zero-rows-result is still a valid 
result.  If you put in an error check right after mysql_query, you'll 
learn more:

if ($result===FALSE)
     printf("Query Error, #%u\n%s\n", mysql_errno(), mysql_error());

Any chance it's the way you are misspelling category?

HTH,

Phil


From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Tue Oct  3 06:27:26 2006
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:27:26 +0300
Subject: [thelist] [TIP] Firefox Javascript Memory Leak Detector Plugin
Message-ID: <dfc81b090610030427t25a47badvc91aa7b13db0a3c7@mail.gmail.com>

<tip author="Volkan Ozcelik" type="Firefox Plugins">
Do you want to see whether your JavaScript leaks or not?

Then consider using Firefox Leak Monitor [*].

[*] https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2490/
</tip>

Although I've written an article extensively investigating the JS Memory
Leak issue [1] and I think I know quite a lot on which peculiar situations
can cause a leak; I have detected that my library [2] (s at rdalya) is still
leaking at certain points.

But thanks Firefox leak detector plugin that I now have plugged all the
leaking points,
... and they will be fixed in the next release :)

Then I thought this tool will be useful for the rest of the community, as it
was to me. Hence contributed a tip.

[1] "Memory Leakage in Internet Explorer Revisited"
http://www.codeproject.com/jscript/leakpatterns.asp

[2] http://sardalya.pbwiki.com/


HTH,
-- 
Volkan Ozcelik
+>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/cre8/blog/
+> Going solo in Turkish: http://www.volkanozcelik.com/donkisot/
+> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
+> Sardalya JavaScript Library: http://www.sarmal.com/sardalya/


From lists at soddengecko.com  Tue Oct  3 07:13:12 2006
From: lists at soddengecko.com (Mark Mckee)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:13:12 +0100
Subject: [thelist] mysql error [was mysql help]
In-Reply-To: <452244F5.4050609@turmel.org>
References: <4521E5AD.2060308@soddengecko.com> <452244F5.4050609@turmel.org>
Message-ID: <452253D8.3040505@soddengecko.com>

Hi Phil

Maybe it is somethign I have midified while tidying up the code but I do 
not appear to be getting the error message anymore.

I have a colleague who is going to install the app and see if they get 
any errors on that page as well.

lol, I know categories is spelt wrong, comes form coding way into the 
night. far too many to change now so that is an update for a boring day.

I would still like to output a message that states that the categories 
are empty and one should be created. also having a little difficulty 
creating an export/import function so the db can be backed up via the 
application itself.

any ideas or resources would be brilliant, searched google all night and 
what I founf either did not work or was command line info.

Kind regards

Mark M...

Phil Turmel wrote:
> Mark Mckee wrote:
>   
>> Warning: mysql_fetch_array(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL 
>> result resource in /opt/lampp/htdocs/link_manager/add_link.php on line 16
>>
>> <!--POPULATE DROPDOWN BOX -->
>> <?
>> // Connect to the correct database
>> include "dbconnect.php";
>> // Select correct fileds to show
>> $sql="SELECT id, catagory FROM catagories ORDER BY catagory";
>> $result=mysql_query($sql);
>> // Populate the OPTIONS variable
>> $options="";
>> // Fetch the data
>> while ($row=mysql_fetch_array($result)) {              <---------line 16
>> // Display data in this format
>>      $id=$row["id"];
>>      $catagory=$row["catagory"];
>>      $options.="<OPTION VALUE=\"$catagory\">$catagory</option>\n";
>> }
>> ?>
>>
>> what would i have to do so that the script will detect that no category 
>> has been created and output a message to say that?
>>
>>     
> Mark,
>
> Something else must be wrong, as a zero-rows-result is still a valid 
> result.  If you put in an error check right after mysql_query, you'll 
> learn more:
>
> if ($result===FALSE)
>      printf("Query Error, #%u\n%s\n", mysql_errno(), mysql_error());
>
> Any chance it's the way you are misspelling category?
>
> HTH,
>
> Phil
>   



From juha.suni at sparecom.fi  Tue Oct  3 07:52:24 2006
From: juha.suni at sparecom.fi (Juha Suni)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:52:24 +0300
Subject: [thelist] ImageMagick and convert
References: <452186FA.8080907@frii.com>
Message-ID: <002001c6e6ea$c74e6fe0$1301a8c0@m6454c0093c614>

Bob Meetin wrote:
> The command seems to work, but I don't understand the results.   At
> best I would expect quality of 100(%) to get me an image about the
> same size as the original, but no, it is approximately double,
> turning a 182k image into 406k.  Adjusting to 50(%) results in 94k
> and 30(%) results in 69k with 10% to 35k and a worthless file.
>
> What am I missing, why does 100% more than double the file size?

Without delving too deep into the issue, or the way ImageMagick handles the 
files:

I assume you are talking about jpeg-images. Jpeg is a lossy algorithm, and 
therefore re-saving over and over again is already a pretty bad idea. Every 
save, no matter the quality setting, will decrease the actual quality of the 
image, while not necessarily decreasing file size.

Example image, a semi-large photograph, for example 1280x1024 pixels. When 
you save it as jpeg with, for example, 80% quality setting, you might end up 
with a file of 100KB. The quality is pretty good, although zooming closer 
would reveal the jpeg compression artifacts. Now reopen that jpeg in the 
editor of your choice. For the image-editor, for most purposes, this is just 
another 1280x1024 file, which is assumed to be full quality just the way it 
is, along with its jpeg artifacts. Save the image again as jpeg with the 
quality set to 100%, and it is pretty much as saving any other 1280x1024 
pixel image with a 100% quality - the file size will propably be over 200KB. 
With the second operation you have just more than doubled the file size 
without improving quality at all. Had you used 90%, you would have actually 
degraded the quality while still making the filesize larger.

In general opening and resaving jpegs is a very very bad idea quality-wise. 
You should always open the original, and with a single operation save it 
with the quality you wish to use.

Some photo editors propably have ways to fight this problem to a degree, and 
most likely there is some ImageMagick-weirdness happening here also. As a 
rule of thumb, however, don't do jpeg resaving, not many times anyway.

-- 
Suni 



From john.destefano at gmail.com  Tue Oct  3 09:01:27 2006
From: john.destefano at gmail.com (John DeStefano)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:01:27 -0400
Subject: [thelist] interactive charting
Message-ID: <f2160e0d0610030701w5f577c74v1da2a15dc6ce85ff@mail.gmail.com>

Some folks at work are developing a Java/Netbeans app that will allow
collaborators, who deal with tons of data, to reserve end-to-end paths
of guaranteed bandwidth through a network.

They've asked me for help with a semi-attractive user interface for
this web app.  Are there any preexisting efforts or applications that
graph or chart data (time vs. bandwidth channel), and make the chart
interactive so it zooms in on click and allows a user to choose an
open slot?

I've found a few bandwidth monitors, but they were full-fledged apps
and didn't offer much in the way of interaction.


From joel at spinhead.com  Tue Oct  3 09:24:33 2006
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel D Canfield)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 07:24:33 -0700
Subject: [thelist] GetRows goofiness (or my own)
Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B4A7176F@ireland.spinhead.com>

> Depending on if have >1 text fields in your query or not, you 
> may still need
> to go down the route of using .GetChunk if you have more than 
> a certain
> amount of data in each text field. See:
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=200124

helpful; thanks ken

good explanation of why this is by design right here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/175239/EN-US/ toward the bottom

joel


From judah at wiredotter.com  Tue Oct  3 11:52:30 2006
From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:52:30 -0700
Subject: [thelist] interactive charting
In-Reply-To: <f2160e0d0610030701w5f577c74v1da2a15dc6ce85ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f2160e0d0610030701w5f577c74v1da2a15dc6ce85ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4522954E.3070606@wiredotter.com>

I'd take a look at the RRD Tool library 
(http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/). It has a fair number of interfaces 
already written and is specifically geared towards dynamic charting and 
graphing. It's also released under the GPL.

Judah

John DeStefano wrote:
> Some folks at work are developing a Java/Netbeans app that will allow
> collaborators, who deal with tons of data, to reserve end-to-end paths
> of guaranteed bandwidth through a network.
> 
> They've asked me for help with a semi-attractive user interface for
> this web app.  Are there any preexisting efforts or applications that
> graph or chart data (time vs. bandwidth channel), and make the chart
> interactive so it zooms in on click and allows a user to choose an
> open slot?
> 
> I've found a few bandwidth monitors, but they were full-fledged apps
> and didn't offer much in the way of interaction.




From ontheroad at frii.com  Tue Oct  3 12:20:52 2006
From: ontheroad at frii.com (Bob Meetin)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:20:52 -0600
Subject: [thelist] ImageMagick and convert
In-Reply-To: <002001c6e6ea$c74e6fe0$1301a8c0@m6454c0093c614>
References: <452186FA.8080907@frii.com>
	<002001c6e6ea$c74e6fe0$1301a8c0@m6454c0093c614>
Message-ID: <45229BF4.9090204@frii.com>

Juha & et,

Resaving - yes I was seeing that the results drop off with subsequent 
re-saves and will attempt to avoid that.  I ought to be able to change 
the context of the loop such that if the first resave doesn't net the 
required results, then it adjusts the compression figure (say 80 to 70) 
and reprocesses the original image, not the already processed.  The user 
would need to visually approve/reject the lowered quality image...

The intent is to provide an interface for non-tech type users that 
transparently (for them) uploads the file and makes it more palatable to 
potential viewers.  Yes - I use a maxsize limit with an apology (if 
really extreme), but of course this somewhat assumes that the viewer is 
knowledgeable enough to understand the problem with his/her images.  And 
of course I can include some basic procedures for one or two common 
applications to fix the files before uploading, but I'm trying to get 
away from complicating their life.  Somewhere there is balance.

Can you or anyone suggest a better approach to solving the problem of 
site speed and over-sized images?

-Bob

Juha Suni wrote:
> Bob Meetin wrote:
>   
>> The command seems to work, but I don't understand the results.   At
>> best I would expect quality of 100(%) to get me an image about the
>> same size as the original, but no, it is approximately double,
>> turning a 182k image into 406k.  Adjusting to 50(%) results in 94k
>> and 30(%) results in 69k with 10% to 35k and a worthless file.
>>
>> What am I missing, why does 100% more than double the file size?
>>     
>
> Without delving too deep into the issue, or the way ImageMagick handles the 
> files:
>
> I assume you are talking about jpeg-images. Jpeg is a lossy algorithm, and 
> therefore re-saving over and over again is already a pretty bad idea. Every 
> save, no matter the quality setting, will decrease the actual quality of the 
> image, while not necessarily decreasing file size.
>
> Example image, a semi-large photograph, for example 1280x1024 pixels. When 
> you save it as jpeg with, for example, 80% quality setting, you might end up 
> with a file of 100KB. The quality is pretty good, although zooming closer 
> would reveal the jpeg compression artifacts. Now reopen that jpeg in the 
> editor of your choice. For the image-editor, for most purposes, this is just 
> another 1280x1024 file, which is assumed to be full quality just the way it 
> is, along with its jpeg artifacts. Save the image again as jpeg with the 
> quality set to 100%, and it is pretty much as saving any other 1280x1024 
> pixel image with a 100% quality - the file size will propably be over 200KB. 
> With the second operation you have just more than doubled the file size 
> without improving quality at all. Had you used 90%, you would have actually 
> degraded the quality while still making the filesize larger.
>
> In general opening and resaving jpegs is a very very bad idea quality-wise. 
> You should always open the original, and with a single operation save it 
> with the quality you wish to use.
>
> Some photo editors propably have ways to fight this problem to a degree, and 
> most likely there is some ImageMagick-weirdness happening here also. As a 
> rule of thumb, however, don't do jpeg resaving, not many times anyway.
>
>   




From jdowdell at adobe.com  Tue Oct  3 12:30:56 2006
From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:30:56 -0700
Subject: [thelist] interactive charting
In-Reply-To: <f2160e0d0610030701w5f577c74v1da2a15dc6ce85ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f2160e0d0610030701w5f577c74v1da2a15dc6ce85ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45229E50.6030009@adobe.com>

John DeStefano wrote:
> Are there any preexisting efforts or applications that
> graph or chart data (time vs. bandwidth channel), and make the chart
> interactive so it zooms in on click and allows a user to choose an
> open slot?

I'm not sure I can yet visualize what you're seeking... type of chart 
(fever, bar, pie, etc)... type of data source (web service, inline data, 
form-based, etc)... type of interactions ("zoom in" sounds like some 
type of drilldown, or maybe it's a timeline expansion, etc).

Am I correctly understanding that you have all the serverside data 
generation and request handling already taken care of, and that you're 
just looking for some types of clientside charting of this data, in each 
user's browser?

If so, then the richest charting I know of is in Adobe Flex 2... samples 
can be tested on this page, under the "Charts" category:
http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/inproduct/sdk/explorer/explorer.html

Or maybe you were looking for a literal "zoom in" timeline slider, like 
Measuremap...?
http://www.measuremap.com/developer/slider/

Or...?

jd







-- 
John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA
Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd
Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna
Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/
Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks.


From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com  Tue Oct  3 14:10:57 2006
From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (Jono)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:10:57 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Stand alone IE 7 testing tips, cautions or adivce?
Message-ID: <4522B5C1.80900@charlestonwebsolutions.com>

If you have installed IE 7 as a stand alone browser; have you had any 
trouble?  Does IE 6 still function properly?  I am looking for any tips 
or advice.  I need to start testing with IE 7, but still keep IE 6 for 
testing for the next ten years, etc.

Do you have any tips or cautions for/against doing a standalone IE 7 
install?

I am reviewing the article "Internet Explorer 7 Release Candidate 1 in 
standalone mode(IE7)" on this page:
http://tinyurl.com/eb37c

It seems pretty straight forward, but I cannot afford to fry my registry 
- which this install did at one time, but has been fixed.

IF there is a better approach (other than Browser Cam) please elt me know.

Thanks,

Jono




From lists at neptunewebworks.com  Tue Oct  3 14:26:32 2006
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:26:32 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Stand alone IE 7 testing tips, cautions or adivce?
In-Reply-To: <4522B5C1.80900@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <003401c6e721$d7607e00$8900000a@salamander>

> From: Jono 
> If you have installed IE 7 as a stand alone browser; have you 
> had any trouble?  Does IE 6 still function properly?  I am 
> looking for any tips or advice.  I need to start testing with 
> IE 7, but still keep IE 6 for testing for the next ten years, etc.
> 
> Do you have any tips or cautions for/against doing a 
> standalone IE 7 install?

I've been using the standalone installer you reference (tredosoft.com)
without issue for a couple weeks now, without issue.  The other, probably
safer but slightly more time-consuming, is to set up a virtual machine and
install IE 7 to that.

-- 
Max Schwanekamp
NeptuneWebworks.com
 




From evolt_org at striderweb.com  Tue Oct  3 16:27:52 2006
From: evolt_org at striderweb.com (Stephen Rider)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:27:52 -0500
Subject: [thelist] htaccess mod_rewrite help please!!!
Message-ID: <6F984153-B67A-4704-808C-4AB4C82D7D69@striderweb.com>

Hello all --

I have what is probably an unusual issue, here, so I hope  
you .htaccess experts can help me out.  I'll try to be brief, but it  
takes a bit of explaining...

I have an install of Wordpress blog software that I want to use to  
run multiple blogs.  To do this, I am using a method where basically  
I have the install in one directory /blog/ and a symbolic link, / 
blog2/ (and /blog3/, /blog4/...) that points to the /blog/ directory.

The only change to the basic Wordpress code is that the config.php  
file that gets us into the database is replaced with a bit of code  
that says "If we're in /blog/, call this config file; if we're in / 
blog2/, call that config file".  The different config file points to  
a different database, and thus you have a totally different blog with  
the one install.  Method detailed here: <http://www.mertner.com/allan/ 
index.php?p=23>

Everything working swimmingly so far.  Except...

Wordpress uses a default mod_rewrite (in the /blog/.htaccess file) to  
customize the hierarchy of posts.  The default rewrite block is thus:

<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /blog/
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteRule . /blog/index.php [L]
</IfModule>

This works just great for the first blog at /blog/, but for the one  
at /blog2/ (the symbolic link "directory"), the rewrite kicks in as  
though we're in /blog/.

Can anyone help me rework this?  I want to tell the rewrite block,  
essentially, "If the directory structure starts with /blog/, point  
to /blog/index.php.  If it starts with /blog2/ point to /blog2/index.php

I'm pretty sure this would work with the right RewriteCond, but I  
can't figure out how to phrase it.

Thank you so much for any help.  I've been beating my head against  
this install for a while now!

Stephen Rider


From anthony at baratta.com  Tue Oct  3 16:47:59 2006
From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:47:59 -0700
Subject: [thelist] htaccess mod_rewrite help please!!!
Message-ID: <bf37ddf14ca6db2d83f3772133c053a4@baratta.com>

Just guessing here based upon a few web page hits:

<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
  RewriteEngine On
  RewriteBase %{PATH_INFO}
  RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
  RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
  RewriteRule %{PATH_INFO}/index.php [L]
</IfModule>

Might get you into the right direction, or lead you off a cliff. ;-)

-----Original message-----
From: Stephen Rider evolt_org at striderweb.com
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:28:08 -0700
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] htaccess mod_rewrite help please!!!

> Hello all --
> 
> I have what is probably an unusual issue, here, so I hope  
> you .htaccess experts can help me out.  I'll try to be brief, but it  
> takes a bit of explaining...
> 
> I have an install of Wordpress blog software that I want to use to  
> run multiple blogs.  To do this, I am using a method where basically  
> I have the install in one directory /blog/ and a symbolic link, / 
> blog2/ (and /blog3/, /blog4/...) that points to the /blog/ directory.
> 
> The only change to the basic Wordpress code is that the config.php  
> file that gets us into the database is replaced with a bit of code  
> that says "If we're in /blog/, call this config file; if we're in / 
> blog2/, call that config file".  The different config file points to  
> a different database, and thus you have a totally different blog with  
> the one install.  Method detailed here: <http://www.mertner.com/allan/ 
> index.php?p=23>
> 
> Everything working swimmingly so far.  Except...
> 
> Wordpress uses a default mod_rewrite (in the /blog/.htaccess file) to  
> customize the hierarchy of posts.  The default rewrite block is thus:
> 
> <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
> RewriteEngine On
> RewriteBase /blog/
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
> RewriteRule . /blog/index.php [L]
> </IfModule>
> 
> This works just great for the first blog at /blog/, but for the one  
> at /blog2/ (the symbolic link "directory"), the rewrite kicks in as  
> though we're in /blog/.
> 
> Can anyone help me rework this?  I want to tell the rewrite block,  
> essentially, "If the directory structure starts with /blog/, point  
> to /blog/index.php.  If it starts with /blog2/ point to /blog2/index.php
> 
> I'm pretty sure this would work with the right RewriteCond, but I  
> can't figure out how to phrase it.
> 
> Thank you so much for any help.  I've been beating my head against  
> this install for a while now!
> 
> Stephen Rider
> -- 
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From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Tue Oct  3 21:36:01 2006
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:36:01 +1000
Subject: [thelist] Stand alone IE 7 testing tips, cautions or adivce?
In-Reply-To: <4522B5C1.80900@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
References: <4522B5C1.80900@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E691F567E@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

: -----Original Message-----
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jono
: Subject: [thelist] Stand alone IE 7 testing tips, cautions or adivce?
: 
: If you have installed IE 7 as a stand alone browser; have you had any
: trouble?  Does IE 6 still function properly?  I am looking for any tips
: or advice.  I need to start testing with IE 7, but still keep IE 6 for
: testing for the next ten years, etc.
: 
: Do you have any tips or cautions for/against doing a standalone IE 7
: install?
: 
: I am reviewing the article "Internet Explorer 7 Release Candidate 1 in
: standalone mode(IE7)" on this page:
: http://tinyurl.com/eb37c
: 
: It seems pretty straight forward, but I cannot afford to fry my
: registry
: - which this install did at one time, but has been fixed.
: 
: IF there is a better approach (other than Browser Cam) please elt me
: know.

Mentioned a number of times on the list - setup Virtual PC (free) or VMWare
Workstation (not so free) or VMWare Server (free). Install all the browsers,
OSes etc you want to test with inside your VMs

If you are a serious MS developer, invest in MSDN Subscription or Partner
Action Pack to get the necessary Windows licenses. Alternatively you wish to
stay legitimate you can just use trial-ware. The benefit of virtual machines
is that you can potentially test large numbers of OS/browser combinations.

I'm pretty sure virtualization's been mentioned a few times in the past 6
months.

Cheers
Ken

--
My Blog: www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken



From david at gigawatt.com  Tue Oct  3 22:58:40 2006
From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:58:40 -0400
Subject: [thelist] htaccess mod_rewrite help please!!!
References: <6F984153-B67A-4704-808C-4AB4C82D7D69@striderweb.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c6e769$60bba390$020010ac@cylon>

Hi Stephen,

Stephen Rider <evolt_org at striderweb.com> wrote:
> I have Wordpress ... in one directory /blog/ and a symbolic link,
> /blog2/ (and /blog3/, /blog4/...) that points to the /blog/
> directory [as] detailed here:
> <http://www.mertner.com/allan/index.php?p=23>
>
> Everything working swimmingly so far.  Except...
> Wordpress uses a default mod_rewrite (in the /blog/.htaccess file)
> to customize the hierarchy of posts [...] Can anyone help me rework
> this?  I want to tell the rewrite block, essentially, "If the
> directory structure starts with /blog/, point to /blog/index.php.
> If it starts with /blog2/ point to /blog2/index.php

mod_rewrite rules (in an .htaccess file) cannot redirect requests 
(internally) up to a parent directory and back down to a *sibling* 
directory like that.  By the time the per-directory .htaccess files are 
parsed, it's too late for that.  You need to remove their rewrite rule 
in the /blog/ dir, modify it and place it in an .htaccess file one 
directory *up*, in this case, the document root of your site.

Try this, in /.htaccess

RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}        ^/blog([0-9]*)/
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME}   !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME}   !-d
RewriteRule .                     /%1/index.php [L]

hth,

-dave 



From juha.suni at sparecom.fi  Wed Oct  4 04:12:11 2006
From: juha.suni at sparecom.fi (Juha Suni)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:12:11 +0300
Subject: [thelist] ImageMagick and convert
References: <452186FA.8080907@frii.com><002001c6e6ea$c74e6fe0$1301a8c0@m6454c0093c614>
	<45229BF4.9090204@frii.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c6e795$2ef30660$1301a8c0@m6454c0093c614>

Bob Meetin wrote:
> Juha & et,
>
> Can you or anyone suggest a better approach to solving the problem of
> site speed and over-sized images?
>

Wouldn't it just be enough to resample the images to certain dimensions 
(800x600?) and save them as 80% jpeg, for example. On average you should get 
image sizes that are average for images that size (for the example given I 
think we are looking at the range of about 60K to 200K).

Lowering the jpeg-quality (which, as discussed earlier, is not as good an 
option than one would imagine) and resampling the image to a different size 
are pretty much the only good options for lowering the filesize. I'd stick 
to them and make it simple. You could, of course, keep a filter in place 
that makes sure images below 100K, for example, would never get processed 
since they are small enough already.

-- 
Suni 



From john.destefano at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 08:39:57 2006
From: john.destefano at gmail.com (John DeStefano)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:39:57 -0400
Subject: [thelist]  interactive charting
Message-ID: <f2160e0d0610040639s3fcce143j88a7c770fbc94093@mail.gmail.com>

>I'm not sure I can yet visualize what you're seeking... type of chart
>(fever, bar, pie, etc)... type of data source (web service, inline data,
>form-based, etc)... type of interactions ("zoom in" sounds like some
>type of drilldown, or maybe it's a timeline expansion, etc).
>
I did a rather poor job of explaining this, didn't I? -- a result of
several factors, for all of which I apologize: I didn't want to bore
thelist with details that may not be of interest, but mainly, because
I am not sure myself exactly what is needed here, and neither are the
developers that need my help!

But your thoughts are spot-on: a web service provides guaranteed
bandwidth availability information from a source and destination
router via Netbeans.  The developers would like an interface that:
- presents bandwidth availability via chart (time vs. BW). They
invision a simple bar graph for this, and I can't envision an
alternative, but maybe you can?
- allows a user to click on an available "reservation" slot to:
-=- zoom in on (drill down into) a specific start date and time
-=- specify an end date and time
-=- enter and submit details related to that slot (duration, min. BW,
perhaps even specify details for a second reservation for return/ACK
traffic)
- utlimately on their wish list is a "drag" mechanism that allows a
user to click a spot on the chart as a start time, drag across to a
desired end time, and release to activate a dialog specific to that
timeline. However, since we have less than a month to get something up
and polished, we're not sure that's feasible for the immediate future.

The application is completely internal, but I could send snapshots of
the current interface if they would be of any interest.

>Am I correctly understanding that you have all the serverside data
>generation and request handling already taken care of, and that you're
>just looking for some types of clientside charting of this data, in each
>user's browser?
>

Yes: Netbeans data, just need client-side charting, and the ability to
interact with the data to reserve slots.

>If so, then the richest charting I know of is in Adobe Flex 2... samples
>can be tested on this page, under the "Charts" category:
>http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/inproduct/sdk/explorer/explorer.html
>

Sadly, this page won't seem to load for me in Linux/Firefox w/Flash
Player installed.

>Or maybe you were looking for a literal "zoom in" timeline slider, like
>Measuremap...?
>http://www.measuremap.com/developer/slider/
>

Now that looks interesting... in my environment, the sliders and tool
tips work nicely. Is there another level of interaction that I'm
missing, i.e., should I be able to zoom into the chart on click?  When
I click, it just moves the slider to the bar I'm clicking... if it
were able to zoom into that bar instead, it might be perfect!

>Or...?

I'm grateful for your help and open to suggestions.  I hope my further
explanation here makes a bit more sense; if not, I'd be happy to
provide more info.

Thanks,
~John


From evolt_org at striderweb.com  Wed Oct  4 08:42:12 2006
From: evolt_org at striderweb.com (Stephen Rider)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:42:12 -0500
Subject: [thelist] htaccess mod_rewrite help please!!!
In-Reply-To: <001d01c6e769$60bba390$020010ac@cylon>
References: <6F984153-B67A-4704-808C-4AB4C82D7D69@striderweb.com>
	<001d01c6e769$60bba390$020010ac@cylon>
Message-ID: <EBB84D59-9BF7-45D3-BD61-BBEE84FA6A33@striderweb.com>


On Oct 3, 2006, at 10:58 PM, David Kaufman wrote:

> Stephen Rider <evolt_org at striderweb.com> wrote:
>> ...in one directory /blog/ and a symbolic link,
>> /blog2/ (and /blog3/, /blog4/...) that points to the /blog/  
>> directory...
>>
>> I want to tell the [mod_rewrite] block, essentially, "If the
>> directory structure starts with /blog/, point to /blog/index.php.
>> If it starts with /blog2/ point to /blog2/index.php
>
> You need to remove their rewrite rule
> in the /blog/ dir, modify it and place it in an .htaccess file one
> directory *up*, in this case, the document root of your site.
>
> Try this, in /.htaccess
>
> RewriteEngine On
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}        ^/blog([0-9]*)/
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME}   !-f
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME}   !-d
> RewriteRule .                     /%1/index.php [L]

David (et al):

Okay, first off, "blog1" "blog2" etc. was just an example -- the  
actual blog names can be just about anything.  For initial testing, I  
tried your rewrite with just "blog" in place, like this:

> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}        ^/(blog)/

No Dice.  "File not found" on anything but the top page of the blog.   
Further research suggests that the problem is that REQUEST_URI is the  
wrong variable (it appears to represent a string being passed to a  
script, rather than an actual path?).  I tried a LOT of variations  
beyond just the above, BTW.  I really think this is the right  
approach though -- I had been leaning in this direction already.  :)

The Apache mod_rewrite docs shows a list of variable names that can  
be used in RewriteCond, but doesn't define them, and I'm having a  
hard time simply finding a list of basic definitions of what these  
variables represent.
<http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html#RewriteCond>

Trying to look them up individually is a huge pain because many of  
them mean different things in different contexts, and I keep getting  
sidetracked by similar variables that aren't actually available to  
mod_rewrite!  All the cryptic descriptions with no example doesn't  
help either.  ("This is the path from the root".  Server root/web  
root?  Slashes included/excluded??   Filename included/excluded???  
ARGH!!!)

NEW QUESTION:  Does anyone know where I can find a good list defining  
those variables that can be used in RewriteCond?  Preferably with  
clear examples for each?

OR, is there a good way to test what these variables are  
representing?  Can I stick them in a simple PHP file or something to  
get their values?

Back to the rewrite:
> RewriteEngine On
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}        ^/(blog)/
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME}   !-f
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME}   !-d
> RewriteRule .                     /%1/index.php [L]

For different blogs, I believe I can do something like this:
^/([bob|joe|sally])/

But... doesn't that string need something after the slash to  
represent whatever comes after?  I would think something like...

^/([bob|joe|sally])/(.*)(/.*)*   <--that last bit should be: "zero-or- 
more characters followed by zero-or-more (slash followed by zero or  
more characters)"

Thanks again
Stephen


From ontheroad at frii.com  Wed Oct  4 09:23:01 2006
From: ontheroad at frii.com (Bob Meetin)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:23:01 -0600
Subject: [thelist] ImageMagick and convert
In-Reply-To: <001a01c6e795$2ef30660$1301a8c0@m6454c0093c614>
References: <452186FA.8080907@frii.com><002001c6e6ea$c74e6fe0$1301a8c0@m6454c0093c614>	<45229BF4.9090204@frii.com>
	<001a01c6e795$2ef30660$1301a8c0@m6454c0093c614>
Message-ID: <4523C3C5.6080403@frii.com>

Sort of different situation, but I do just that with an upload image 
script I wrote.  I'm doing a lot of playing around with image galleries 
and slideshows which come in all shapes and sizes.  In early stages of 
uploading images I used to place them in a single directory but 
different suffix upon rename ( image.jpg, image_thumb.jpg, etc).  Then 
of course the display script would grab an image based upon the suffix.  
The directory started to get crowded so I changed to using different 
directories (orig, tn, ltn - for large thumbnail, etc).  Once this 
became ugly, I more recently added a smarter naming convention for the 
directories themselves ( 75x75, 360x270, 640x480, original, etc).  
640x480 houses both portrait and landscape images.  The query that pulls 
images to display does a check to see if L or P. 

By default gimp sets the resave quality to 85% which is pretty high.  
With Gimp the first time I 'resave' a file, if I select 100% it will 
bump up the size a small percentage.  70% is usually good enough for the 
web and makes for quite a savings in size.

However when I use ImageMagick and convert, I've seen 100% literally 
double the image, so indeed there may be some odd behavior with convert. 
I have to drop the percentage way down to realize comparable savings 
compared to gimp or photoshop.  To do a one-time save, it's a bit of a 
guessing game, but a series of if/else or a case statement can get me in 
the ballpark. This equates to what you call a filter.  

Imagemagick/convert is generally out there and available to be included 
in processing scripts, whereas gimp, photoshop, psp, etc are not.  The 
requirement, in my mind, is to be able to upload images (for clients who 
don't know or want to know how to manipulate them), offer one or several 
processing options (through the script form) which I already do, and 
copy/rename the file as necessary. Resampling the image to a smaller 
dimension works, it's just that odd re-saving behavior (over-bloating 
the size) of convert has me scratching my head.

Thanks.  -Bob

Juha Suni wrote:
> Bob Meetin wrote:
>   
>> Juha & et,
>>
>> Can you or anyone suggest a better approach to solving the problem of
>> site speed and over-sized images?
>>
>>     
>
> Wouldn't it just be enough to resample the images to certain dimensions 
> (800x600?) and save them as 80% jpeg, for example. On average you should get 
> image sizes that are average for images that size (for the example given I 
> think we are looking at the range of about 60K to 200K).
>
> Lowering the jpeg-quality (which, as discussed earlier, is not as good an 
> option than one would imagine) and resampling the image to a different size 
> are pretty much the only good options for lowering the filesize. I'd stick 
> to them and make it simple. You could, of course, keep a filter in place 
> that makes sure images below 100K, for example, would never get processed 
> since they are small enough already.
>
>   




From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com  Wed Oct  4 10:11:08 2006
From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (Jono)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:11:08 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Stand alone IE 7 testing tips, cautions or adivce?
In-Reply-To: <003401c6e721$d7607e00$8900000a@salamander>
References: <003401c6e721$d7607e00$8900000a@salamander>
Message-ID: <4523CF0C.2060606@charlestonwebsolutions.com>

Max Schwanekamp wrote:
>
> I've been using the standalone installer you reference (tredosoft.com)
> without issue for a couple weeks now, without issue.  The other, probably
> safer but slightly more time-consuming, is to set up a virtual machine and
> install IE 7 to that.

Thanks, I am going to give the virtual PC method a shot...better safe 
than sorry.


From tymartist at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  4 10:36:15 2006
From: tymartist at hotmail.com (Tim Palac)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:36:15 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Alternatives to IFrames?
In-Reply-To: <4523CF0C.2060606@charlestonwebsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F18844FC706729231167666A61D0@phx.gbl>

Hey everyone, new to the list here!  I'll quickly intro myself - I'm a web 
designer and developer (officially titled "New Media Producer" at my job) 
from the Chicago area.  My skills are in XHTML, CSS, DOM, and PHP, with a 
little Coldfusion knowledge.  Anyway, to the point...

I've been helping out my company with our new website and a lot of the stuff 
I develop doesn't fit in with the way the standard template is done, so 
they've been putting my pages in as IFrames.  The problem with this is that 
iframes are notoriously shaky, render differently in different browsers 
(Firefox breaks like crazy!), return you to the main page if you reload, and 
also it's an issue getting it to expand like you want.

What are my alternatives?  Right now we're running Coldfusion on the server 
if there's any suggestions involving server-side.

Thanks.




From chris at lwcdial.net  Wed Oct  4 10:50:13 2006
From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:50:13 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Alternatives to IFrames?
References: <BAY116-F18844FC706729231167666A61D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005001c6e7cd$4baf4f10$e000a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>

Hi Tim

When you say "doesn't fit in with the way the standard template" how so?

If you're running ColdFusion.. you can cfinclude CF  templates.

If your "stuff"  ;)  is just HTML you could use the web server's SSI
capability.

Ideally you should be given a way to fit in with their templates, other than
iFrames which I agree are far from ideal.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Palac" <tymartist at hotmail.com>
Subject: [thelist] Alternatives to IFrames?

> I've been helping out my company with our new website and a lot of the
> stuff
> I develop doesn't fit in with the way the standard template is done, so
> they've been putting my pages in as IFrames.  The problem with this is
> that
> iframes are notoriously shaky, render differently in different browsers
> (Firefox breaks like crazy!), return you to the main page if you reload,
> and
> also it's an issue getting it to expand like you want.
>
> What are my alternatives?  Right now we're running Coldfusion on the
> server
> if there's any suggestions involving server-side.
>



From ArthurM at seipas.com  Wed Oct  4 11:41:55 2006
From: ArthurM at seipas.com (Arthur Maloney)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:41:55 +0100
Subject: [thelist] C++
Message-ID: <1032943184.20061004174155@seipas.com>

Hello thelist,

  I'm use to OOD,OOP with Java,C#

  In the near future I'm doing some legacy work with C++
  I'd appreciate any suggestions re: Development Tools/Books Resources etc.

-- 
Best regards,
 Arthur                          mailto:ArthurM at seipas.com



From bj at kickasswebdesign.com  Wed Oct  4 12:27:42 2006
From: bj at kickasswebdesign.com (BJ)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:27:42 -0400
Subject: [thelist] IE7 Ecommerce problem
Message-ID: <4523EF0E.5050705@kickasswebdesign.com>

IE7 has a phishing filter built in, that users can turn on, and will be 
widely pushed as one of their security features. In fact, according to 
an email I received from Zoe Gillenwater, they're already talking it up, 
at least they did at the conference she attended recently.

There are two problems with it. The first is that it's giving a fair 
amount of false positives. This brands legitimate sites as "phishers". 
The false positives can appear on any page, and are often very deep into 
the ecommerce payment process where most folks who own an ecommerce site 
wouldn't look after initially testing out the cart to see if it works. 
The only way to report the issue is to find the page within the site 
which is being labelled *boldly* as a phishing site, and click the link 
there for site owners to report false positives, which MS seems to be 
handling quickly now, but since IE7 is to be released as a priority 
download through autoupdate it could be very hurtful to a lot of 
business people on the web who aren't aware of this and get nailed at 
the time of the IE7 "bulk" release.

The other problem with it is that there is a link within the IE7 browser 
where anyone can report a "suspicious" site, which seems to have the 
effect of labelling the site in question fairly quickly, and whether the 
MS folks are vetting these reports is questionable at this point. The 
potential for abuse is astronomical. Anyone can report their 
competitors' sites as phishing sites. Even if the issue is caught by the 
legitimate site owner within a few days there may be enough residual 
damage via word of mouth to put a dent in that person's business.

I found out about it through this thread on WebProWorld:
<http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=67905>

If you have a blog, please blog this issue. I've posted it on the 
cubecart forum, if y'all belong to other ecommerce ap forums please pass 
the word. I would also suggest being proactive and notifying clients for 
whom you've designed ecommerce sites about the issue, so they don't 
think it's anything you did, and so they can deal with it before the big 
turd hits the fan. This could get very ugly.

-- 
Ciao for Now,
bj

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From jblanchard at pocket.com  Wed Oct  4 12:34:14 2006
From: jblanchard at pocket.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:34:14 -0500
Subject: [thelist] C++
Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E69DB5E82@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>

[snip]
  I'm use to OOD,OOP with Java,C#

  In the near future I'm doing some legacy work with C++
  I'd appreciate any suggestions re: Development Tools/Books Resources
etc.
[/snip]

C++ is legacy now?

Anyhow, there are a truckload of tools available, books, web sites,
magazines, dev tools etc. I suggest that you start with Google and
Amazon.


From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 13:18:57 2006
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:18:57 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Alternatives to IFrames?
In-Reply-To: <005001c6e7cd$4baf4f10$e000a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
References: <BAY116-F18844FC706729231167666A61D0@phx.gbl>
	<005001c6e7cd$4baf4f10$e000a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
Message-ID: <dfc81b090610041118i3b7d1173o25068ab4cc31e55c@mail.gmail.com>

Ideally you should be given a way to fit in with their templates, other than
> iFrames which I agree are far from ideal.


Frames? I guess they belong to 90's or so. It has been such a long time I
haven't heard that ancient word.

They are bad for well known reasons that I don't want to dive in (SEO,
Accessibility, Usability...) You may want to convince your company / client
etc.. not to use frames at all.

Of course there are (rarely) legitimate usages of a framed layout. But if
one offers me to plug my content into a frame-based template I would simply
say "no... hell no!" and immediately run away.

...

As an alternative (forgive me if I'm sinning here) you can use JavaScript
and AJAX and load your content to a DHTML layer inside the page. Then you
will be able to style your content exactly the way you want.

HTH,
-- 
Volkan Ozcelik
+>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/cre8/blog/
+> Going solo in Turkish: http://www.volkanozcelik.com/donkisot/
+> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
+> Sardalya JavaScript Library: http://www.sarmal.com/sardalya/


From julian.rickards at ontario.ca  Wed Oct  4 13:38:11 2006
From: julian.rickards at ontario.ca (Rickards, Julian (NDM))
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:38:11 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Alternatives to IFrames?
In-Reply-To: <dfc81b090610041118i3b7d1173o25068ab4cc31e55c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA542@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>

 Does not Gmail use Iframes? If so, they seem to be relatively stable in
FF, IE6 and Opera.

Jules

-----Original Message-----

> Ideally you should be given a way to fit in with their templates,
other than
> iFrames which I agree are far from ideal.


From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 13:43:40 2006
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:43:40 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Alternatives to IFrames?
In-Reply-To: <294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA542@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>
References: <dfc81b090610041118i3b7d1173o25068ab4cc31e55c@mail.gmail.com>
	<294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA542@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>
Message-ID: <dfc81b090610041143s5687c99cud41ae0306b0a99f9@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/4/06, Rickards, Julian (NDM) <julian.rickards at ontario.ca> wrote:
>
> Does not Gmail use Iframes? If so, they seem to be relatively stable in
> FF, IE6 and Opera.


GMail uses Iframes as an proxy between client and server afaik. It does not
use it to display content. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Using IFRAMES as an AJAX stub is stable. Using them as a content placeholder
often leads to severe usability and accessibility problems, even if they are
stable (which I cannot precisely comment on because I've not been doing
Frame-based development for years for obvious reasons -- other than
stability)

Cheers,
-- 
Volkan Ozcelik
+>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/cre8/blog/
+> Going solo in Turkish: http://www.volkanozcelik.com/donkisot/
+> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
+> Sardalya JavaScript Library: http://www.sarmal.com/sardalya/


From tymartist at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  4 13:46:34 2006
From: tymartist at hotmail.com (Tim Palac)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:46:34 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Alternatives to IFrames?
In-Reply-To: <dfc81b090610041118i3b7d1173o25068ab4cc31e55c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F140E335BDDEC49D28F9660A61D0@phx.gbl>

Volkan,

I really have been meaning to pick up a book on AJAX, just finished up a 
book on DOM and having some great results with it.  Your website is pretty 
awesome and that book called Beginning JavaScript with DOM Scripting and 
Ajax: From Novice to Professional that you reference can probably help me 
out with that.  In the mean time, I'm going to try and find a good DOM way 
to resize the iframe to the content either (a) when it loads or (b) when 
something inside is clicked and expands (used some DOM inside).

As a side note, anyone have any good links on how to detect if a file that 
DOM is pointing to actually exists, and if not don't load it?  Working on 
name/phone/image list and the image pulls from the person's name so it 
always loads.  Worst case is using a 1x1 filler, but that defeats the 
purpose :)

Thanks for you help guys, love this list already.  If anyone wants to chat 
web, throw me an IM on yahoo/gmail/hotmail/aim at TymArtist.  Just gettin 
through work haha.

-Tim


>From: "VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K" <volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>Subject: Re: [thelist] Alternatives to IFrames?
>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:18:57 +0300
>
>Ideally you should be given a way to fit in with their templates, other 
>than
> > iFrames which I agree are far from ideal.
>
>
>Frames? I guess they belong to 90's or so. It has been such a long time I
>haven't heard that ancient word.
>
>They are bad for well known reasons that I don't want to dive in (SEO,
>Accessibility, Usability...) You may want to convince your company / client
>etc.. not to use frames at all.
>
>Of course there are (rarely) legitimate usages of a framed layout. But if
>one offers me to plug my content into a frame-based template I would simply
>say "no... hell no!" and immediately run away.
>
>...
>
>As an alternative (forgive me if I'm sinning here) you can use JavaScript
>and AJAX and load your content to a DHTML layer inside the page. Then you
>will be able to style your content exactly the way you want.
>
>HTH,
>--
>Volkan Ozcelik
>+>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/cre8/blog/
>+> Going solo in Turkish: http://www.volkanozcelik.com/donkisot/
>+> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
>+> Sardalya JavaScript Library: http://www.sarmal.com/sardalya/
>--
>
>* * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
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From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 13:47:31 2006
From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:47:31 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Alternatives to IFrames?
In-Reply-To: <dfc81b090610041143s5687c99cud41ae0306b0a99f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dfc81b090610041118i3b7d1173o25068ab4cc31e55c@mail.gmail.com>
	<294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA542@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>
	<dfc81b090610041143s5687c99cud41ae0306b0a99f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4eedb92a0610041147y34710cf9g416f95dfcfe9175f@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/4/06, VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K <volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com> wrote:

> GMail uses Iframes as an proxy between client and server afaik. It does not
> use it to display content. Correct me if I'm wrong.

From gmail, view source:

document.write('<frameset onload=lj() rows="100%,*" border=0><frame
name=main src="?view=page&amp;name=loading&amp;ver=h606kb6zstq1"
frameborder=0 noresize scrolling=no><frame name=js
src="?view=page&amp;name=loading&amp;ver=h606kb6zstq1" frameborder=0
noresize></frameset>');

That would seem pretty definitive :-)

-- 
Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com

From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 13:59:18 2006
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:59:18 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Alternatives to IFrames?
In-Reply-To: <4eedb92a0610041147y34710cf9g416f95dfcfe9175f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dfc81b090610041118i3b7d1173o25068ab4cc31e55c@mail.gmail.com>
	<294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA542@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>
	<dfc81b090610041143s5687c99cud41ae0306b0a99f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4eedb92a0610041147y34710cf9g416f95dfcfe9175f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dfc81b090610041159h658b8094rfedfbf977d795e52@mail.gmail.com>

> That would seem pretty definitive :-)


Yes it is :)

However it uses a 100% wide frame for main content. and a 0 width frame for
the proxy to server.
That's just like not using frames at all (or not using them in the
traditional way (as a navigation bar or an embedded content in the middle of
the page etc.)

The bottom frame (0-width) is full of script elements (around 30 or so) and
a copyright notice at the bottom

"
Copyright 2002-2006 Google Inc. Give to:Mx
"

Cheers,
-- 
Volkan Ozcelik
+>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/cre8/blog/
+> Going solo in Turkish: http://www.volkanozcelik.com/donkisot/
+> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
+> Sardalya JavaScript Library: http://www.sarmal.com/sardalya/


From designgrl at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 14:59:57 2006
From: designgrl at gmail.com (Alida Ladak)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:59:57 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Good models for Help
Message-ID: <c758dc940610041259vb4a6099w6717f503312e0373@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to incorporate a Help feature on a project I'm working on for a
financial institution. It'll be a lean implementation as there is no
interest in purchasing a product or allocating any significant development.
Even with these constraints I still think it better to offer a lean but
useful Help feature.

The most common structure i've seen is a set of questions bundled at the top
which link to the answers below.  I'm inclined to think a grouping by topic
is a logical addition to this model.

Has anyone seen/worked on anything they think is better model?

thanks,
long time lurker


From esther at bitranch.com  Wed Oct  4 15:15:29 2006
From: esther at bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:15:29 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Help a journalist (again): best/worst interview questions?
Message-ID: <8F760ECA-6A6A-4E9E-AD56-21F4FA96E3EF@bitranch.com>

Hi, folks. I'm working on an article for DevSource.com that I think  
will be fun and useful, and I'd like your help.

Every techie here has been on a few job interviews. It's tough, from  
either side of the desk, because you're trying to prove that you're  
brilliant in a subject that isn't suited to a song-and-dance. You can  
talk about projects you've worked on; you can claim expertise with  
certain tools and languages; you can wave around references from  
clients or previous employers. But that rarely helps you demonstrate  
what you're best at -- whatever that is.

And then an interviewer asks a lame question that doesn't even  
approach that goal, such as, "What are your three greatest strengths  
and three greatest weaknesses?" As dumb as it is, the interviewer  
doesn't know what to ask; what he really wants to know is if you'd be  
a comfortable person to sit next to, 40+ hours a week, and if you're  
just BSing about what you know how to do.

Like I said: everybody's been there. We've all encountered *good*  
questions in an interview. We've all tried really hard not to roll  
our eyes when we're asked something pointless or offensive. So I  
thought I'd write a short article listing the best-and-worst, which  
you've asked or heard or heard of (which could also be a fun  
distraction here).

For example: the best job app I ever encountered was for a tiny  
compiler optimization company in Maine. The written form had the  
basic background questions, then some rather strange questions and a  
few brain teasers. The point of the latter wasn't to see if you could  
deal with engineering trivia, but to see how you addressed the  
problem. (That might have bugged me, except I knew the company owner  
-- we'd played D&D together, which is how I met him -- and he meant  
it. Playing a fantasy role playing game is another way to learn how  
someone solves problems and copes with frustrations, but that's  
another discussion.)

Anyway, a pair of questions on that list were the best I ever  
encountered, and I have used them when I've done journalistic  
interviews with famous people: "What's the most important thing you  
learned in school? What's the most important thing you learned  
outside of school?" Imagine for a moment that you had to answer those  
questions; they sure poke a hole through the puffery, don't they? You  
can only answer them as yourself, not with a "what makes me look  
good?" answer.

I did take that job in Maine. The company policy was that *all* the  
files were open, and everyone was free to look through them. So once,  
while waiting for a long compile, I pawed through the Interviews  
folder. I was astonished by the range of answers those two questions  
elicited. The company owner (who filled out his own form) had written  
"recursion" as the answer to the second question; someone else wrote  
"the importance of God and my family." That doesn't tell you  
*everything* about the person, but it sure tells you something.

The _worst_ interview question wasn't addressed to me, but was given  
to my husband. He was interviewing for a compiler job at, er, a large  
developer of commercial software. The developer who interviewed Bill  
asked several questions like, "How would you design a language  
parser?" and got very detailed. Those might have been relevant...  
except that it immediately became obvious that the developer/ 
interviewer was asking Bill to debug the code he was working on right  
at that moment. I don't think it's part of an interview to do the  
other person's job.

So: what are the best interview questions you've heard? The ones  
you'd hate to be asked? Tell me what they are, why you judge them so  
highly or so poorly. I'll compile them, try to find some commonality  
(such as "brain teasers"), and turn them into an article. Ideally, it  
will both make you groan, and also help you say, "Hey, that's a good  
one to ask, the next time that HR puts me on the interview schedule."

Timewise: I'm hoping to pull this together by the beginning of next  
week. Please tell me how to refer to you in the article (the ideal is  
name/title/location, such as "Esther Schindler, a VB programmer in  
Phoenix"). While I bet this could be a fun discussion here, feel free  
to write to me privately (esther at bitranch.com).

Esther Schindler
editor, DevSource.com

From peter at easylistbox.com  Wed Oct  4 15:43:59 2006
From: peter at easylistbox.com (Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com))
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:43:59 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Help a journalist (again): best/worst interview
	questions?
Message-ID: <d2949b13ca3c446e9d2cdb2e521967ca@easylistbox.com>



						From: Esther Schindler  

						esther at bitranch.com 

"Those might have been relevant... 
except that it immediately became obvious that the developer/ 
interviewer was asking Bill to debug the code he was working on right 
at that moment. I don't think it's part of an interview to do the 
other person's job."

   Obviously I don't have all the info, but what's to say this wasn't his way of doing a "test run" with the candidate on an actual problem that came up in the office?

Just musing, as usual...

Peter 



From esther at bitranch.com  Wed Oct  4 15:55:28 2006
From: esther at bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:55:28 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Help a journalist (again): best/worst interview
	questions?
In-Reply-To: <d2949b13ca3c446e9d2cdb2e521967ca@easylistbox.com>
References: <d2949b13ca3c446e9d2cdb2e521967ca@easylistbox.com>
Message-ID: <86E14F01-6281-4465-8C6C-0A3B4BC724D0@bitranch.com>

On Oct 4, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) wrote:
> "Those might have been relevant...
> except that it immediately became obvious that the developer/
> interviewer was asking Bill to debug the code he was working on right
> at that moment. I don't think it's part of an interview to do the
> other person's job."
>
>    Obviously I don't have all the info, but what's to say this  
> wasn't his way of doing a "test run" with the candidate on an  
> actual problem that came up in the office?

I understand what you're saying... but sometimes you can tell the  
difference.

I suppose it's a matter of intent; is this person asking this to  
learn how I solve problems? to find out whether I'm up to speed with  
the technology? or is he looking for the technical answer that'll let  
him go home for the day -- with no judgement on "does this candidate  
know his stuff"?

 From what I was told, in this case it was obvious that it was the  
last choice. <smile>


From ben.joyce at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 16:19:18 2006
From: ben.joyce at gmail.com (Ben Joyce)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:19:18 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Printing from Flash (exe) without confirmation
Message-ID: <cb118a440610041419h1b2884e2vff46f023610fa903@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

Does anyone know if it possible to print directly from a Flash
(compiled as an executable) without getting a print confirmation
dialog (in Windows) ?

I'm sorty of asking on behalf of a friend who doesn't know about
[thelist] but should be able to get some more info soonish.

I'm pretty confident this can be done through normal windows
programming (VB/C#/C++ etc) but I've not tried this myself in Flash.

Any ideas?

Cheers,

Ben


From aaroncole at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 17:27:04 2006
From: aaroncole at gmail.com (Aaron Cole)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:27:04 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Ongoing events in hCalendar?
Message-ID: <38f932870610041527v6311fe92ye7d88714a727bc27@mail.gmail.com>

Any hCalendar people out there?

I'm looking to apply hCalendar attributes to my school's online calender
application.  True "events" that have a start and end (like a one-hour club
meeting) are easy.

The other type of "events" we tracks are "ongoing events".  A typical
example would be when our art museum wants to advertise an exhibit that will
be on campus for three months.

I thought about creating a new "event" for each day that the exhibit is
open, with the start and end times being the hours of the museum, but that
seems wrong.

Any thoughts?

TIA,
Aaron


From evolt07 at delime.com  Wed Oct  4 18:31:44 2006
From: evolt07 at delime.com (M. Seyon)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:31:44 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Good models for Help
In-Reply-To: <c758dc940610041259vb4a6099w6717f503312e0373@mail.gmail.com
 >
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20061004192718.02039e70@mx1.delime.com>

Hi Alida, and congrats on delurking.

This is anecdotal and personal opinion, so of questionable value.

99% of the time that I need to ask for help on websites, etc, it is with a 
question that is not covered by their Help Desk/Knowledge Base/Wiki/Forum/FAQ.

The single *most annoying* non-feature of help features is how difficult 
they make it to actually contact a real person, preferably via email, 
because sometimes it's easier to articulate a complex problem in typing, 
and it helps to have the answer archived somewhere, neither of which are 
possible with phone support.

So my two cents would be to ensure that whatever help functionality is 
available, it's backed up by an easy way to contact a real person when -- 
notice I said "when", not "if" -- the functionality doesn't adequately help 
the user.

What's really nice too, is when the help feature then archives my 
correspondence under a tab such as "Your Previous Questions".

regards.
-marc

Message from Alida Ladak (10/4/2006 03:59 PM)

>I'd like to incorporate a Help feature on a project I'm working on for a
>financial institution. It'll be a lean implementation as there is no
>interest in purchasing a product or allocating any significant development.
>Even with these constraints I still think it better to offer a lean but
>useful Help feature.
>
>The most common structure i've seen is a set of questions bundled at the top
>which link to the answers below.  I'm inclined to think a grouping by topic
>is a logical addition to this model.
>
>Has anyone seen/worked on anything they think is better model?
>
>thanks,
>long time lurker



From jdowdell at adobe.com  Wed Oct  4 18:41:56 2006
From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:41:56 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Printing from Flash (exe) without confirmation
In-Reply-To: <cb118a440610041419h1b2884e2vff46f023610fa903@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cb118a440610041419h1b2884e2vff46f023610fa903@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <452446C4.4060905@adobe.com>

Ben Joyce wrote:
> Does anyone know if it possible to print directly from a Flash
> (compiled as an executable) without getting a print confirmation
> dialog (in Windows) ?

In the browser, no... the computer's owner has to consent to the 
printing before it will happen.

But in a standalone, it depends on the standalone shell you're using, I 
think... on Windows, the Adobe Flash Player is delivered as an ActiveX 
Control, and other applications can invoke this control. It seems 
possible to do a printscreen at screen resolution (rather than Flash's 
vectors), where the Player would never know that its content was piped 
to a printer.

jd





-- 
John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA
Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd
Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna
Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/
Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks.


From jdowdell at adobe.com  Wed Oct  4 18:47:26 2006
From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:47:26 -0700
Subject: [thelist] interactive charting
In-Reply-To: <f2160e0d0610040639s3fcce143j88a7c770fbc94093@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f2160e0d0610040639s3fcce143j88a7c770fbc94093@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4524480E.5020804@adobe.com>

John DeStefano wrote:
>>http://examples.adobe.com/flex2/inproduct/sdk/explorer/explorer.html
> 
> Sadly, this page won't seem to load for me in Linux/Firefox w/Flash
> Player installed.

Sorry, you're right, Linux and other Players usually come after the Mac 
& Win Players are finalized, and Flex 2 work requires the new, 
high-performance Virtual Machine in Adobe Flash Player 9. Flex 2 work 
should be visible in mainstream Linux distributions toward the turn of 
the year.


For Measure Map, I'm not sure if its default API offers finer-grained 
timescale controls... you're seeking some control over the span similar 
to what Google Finance uses, am I visualizing this correctly? (I don't 
know that Google's code for their Finance widget has been released for 
general use.)
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=goog

jd





-- 
John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA
Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd
Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna
Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/
Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks.


From tstadler at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 20:06:56 2006
From: tstadler at gmail.com (Todd Stadler)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:06:56 -0700
Subject: [thelist] AutoCompletion with Ajax and z-index Problems
In-Reply-To: <F1DE37A9-FED8-4994-B449-EBF4904E7236@geois.de>
References: <A397C5E1-B540-4633-8C1B-95284F6D14D8@geois.de>
	<30bd6ffd0610020010s40a80e8era2fbc54ede7ac546@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1DE37A9-FED8-4994-B449-EBF4904E7236@geois.de>
Message-ID: <7ab303120610041806t5573676cs45888825106b4604@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm a little late to this party, and it's quite possible that you've
been tinkering on the posted URL's code since you posted this, but ...

On 10/2/06, Stefan Schwarzer <st.schwarzer at geois.de> wrote:
> Actually, unfortunately it's not the MSIE problem. It concerns all
> browsers...

1) Strangely, IE7RC1 does not exhibit this problem (the autocomplate
list getting under the map image). But Firefox does. Just for data
points.

2) Like I said, it's possible that the code that's there now isn't
what you referred to in the original post, but it would seem that the
for those two relevant elements, you have inline CSS defining their
z-indexes. However, the z-index for the map is 6, while the z-index
for the autocomplete section is 1. That means the map *should* be on
top, at least according to the inline CSS.

It's complex enough that I might have overlooked something in the few
minutes I gave it, but that's what I saw.

-- 

Todd Stadler, tstadler at gmail.com
"You try to warn them that the world's gone mad, but they won't listen
to you" -Snoopy


From jblanchard at pocket.com  Wed Oct  4 21:07:21 2006
From: jblanchard at pocket.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:07:21 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Help a journalist (again): best/worst interview
	questions?
Message-ID: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E69DB5FBC@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>

[snip]
....

[/snip]

I interview folks almost every week now and I can look at the resume and
see that they have the technical skills. HR usually screens them some
for me to get a resume that closely matches the job description. I need
to find a fit for the team. I have been interviewing folks for many,
many years now. I have quit giving tests during interviews.

So I do a brief tour through the tech side of things and then I ask,
"What is your passion?" 

This can go a couple of different ways....sometimes work related,
sometimes not. Whichever way it goes I always seek the opposite as well.
Here are some others I use;

What are you reading right now? (or last book read)
What magazines do you subscribe to?
What was the last movie you saw in a theater? 
Do you consider Stripes to be Bill Murrays' definitive work?

I use these and some others no matter the IT position that I am hiring
for. I always hold the first interview to 1/2 hour and require it be in
person. The second gets more in-depth and can be face 2 face or on the
phone. 




From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 21:09:36 2006
From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:09:36 -0700
Subject: [thelist] interactive charting
In-Reply-To: <4524480E.5020804@adobe.com>
References: <f2160e0d0610040639s3fcce143j88a7c770fbc94093@mail.gmail.com>
	<4524480E.5020804@adobe.com>
Message-ID: <4eedb92a0610041909j51ee953dh50f86c636387326b@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/4/06, John Dowdell <jdowdell at adobe.com> wrote:

> Flex 2 work should be visible in mainstream Linux distributions
> toward the turn of the year.

And those of you given to impatience to know when *exactly* that
might be -- "are we there yet??" -- can also add this blog to your own
RSS feed list:

  <http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/>

/* wrist.cronometer.getDate() -- no, not end of year  :-)   */
-- 
Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com


From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 21:50:54 2006
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 05:50:54 +0300
Subject: [thelist] AutoCompletion with Ajax and z-index Problems
In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd0610020010s40a80e8era2fbc54ede7ac546@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A397C5E1-B540-4633-8C1B-95284F6D14D8@geois.de>
	<30bd6ffd0610020010s40a80e8era2fbc54ede7ac546@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dfc81b090610041950g65633d20h1a2b32cfccc73729@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/2/06, Christian Heilmann <codepo8 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I suppose your problem is MSIE. If that is so, you need to apply the
> IFRAME hack to make sure that the combo box covers other form
> elements.



Or you can try to emulate those form elements if are not fond of using
IFRAMEs  [1].

[1] "Modal Dialog Enhanced"
http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/ModalDialogV2.asp

HTH,
-- 
Volkan Ozcelik
+>Yep! I'm blogging! : http://www.volkanozcelik.com/cre8/blog/
+> Going solo in Turkish: http://www.volkanozcelik.com/donkisot/
+> My projects/studies/trials/errors : http://www.sarmal.com/
+> Sardalya JavaScript Library: http://www.sarmal.com/sardalya/


From donnajjones at gwi.net  Wed Oct  4 22:57:33 2006
From: donnajjones at gwi.net (Donna Jones)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:57:33 -0400
Subject: [thelist] IE7 Ecommerce problem
In-Reply-To: <4523EF0E.5050705@kickasswebdesign.com>
References: <4523EF0E.5050705@kickasswebdesign.com>
Message-ID: <452482AD.9050300@gwi.net>

Hi BJ, is it okay to quote your e-mail on another list.  Specifically 
I's thinking of the list that comes from this website: 
http://www.wise-women.org/   I never know whether to "quote or not" and 
started to write it in my own words but you've done it so much better 
than I would.

Its very important and very aggravating stuff, eh!

Thanks very much for the heads up.

best
Donna Jones

BJ wrote:
> IE7 has a phishing filter built in, that users can turn on, and will be 
> widely pushed as one of their security features. In fact, according to 
> an email I received from Zoe Gillenwater, they're already talking it up, 
> at least they did at the conference she attended recently.
> 
> There are two problems with it. The first is that it's giving a fair 
> amount of false positives. This brands legitimate sites as "phishers". 
> The false positives can appear on any page, and are often very deep into 
> the ecommerce payment process where most folks who own an ecommerce site 
> wouldn't look after initially testing out the cart to see if it works. 
> The only way to report the issue is to find the page within the site 
> which is being labelled *boldly* as a phishing site, and click the link 
> there for site owners to report false positives, which MS seems to be 
> handling quickly now, but since IE7 is to be released as a priority 
> download through autoupdate it could be very hurtful to a lot of 
> business people on the web who aren't aware of this and get nailed at 
> the time of the IE7 "bulk" release.
> 
> The other problem with it is that there is a link within the IE7 browser 
> where anyone can report a "suspicious" site, which seems to have the 
> effect of labelling the site in question fairly quickly, and whether the 
> MS folks are vetting these reports is questionable at this point. The 
> potential for abuse is astronomical. Anyone can report their 
> competitors' sites as phishing sites. Even if the issue is caught by the 
> legitimate site owner within a few days there may be enough residual 
> damage via word of mouth to put a dent in that person's business.
> 
> I found out about it through this thread on WebProWorld:
> <http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=67905>
> 
> If you have a blog, please blog this issue. I've posted it on the 
> cubecart forum, if y'all belong to other ecommerce ap forums please pass 
> the word. I would also suggest being proactive and notifying clients for 
> whom you've designed ecommerce sites about the issue, so they don't 
> think it's anything you did, and so they can deal with it before the big 
> turd hits the fan. This could get very ugly.
> 

-- 
Donna Jones
Portland, Maine
207 772 0266
http://www.westendwebs.com/


From evolt_org at striderweb.com  Wed Oct  4 23:41:04 2006
From: evolt_org at striderweb.com (Stephen Rider)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:41:04 -0500
Subject: [thelist] SOLVED: htaccess mod_rewrite help please!!!
In-Reply-To: <EBB84D59-9BF7-45D3-BD61-BBEE84FA6A33@striderweb.com>
References: <6F984153-B67A-4704-808C-4AB4C82D7D69@striderweb.com>
	<001d01c6e769$60bba390$020010ac@cylon>
	<EBB84D59-9BF7-45D3-BD61-BBEE84FA6A33@striderweb.com>
Message-ID: <28C691F6-0A62-4668-B323-F997AE4A244F@striderweb.com>

This, in the blog directory (not root directory) did the trick:

<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^(/blog|/otherblog)
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteRule . %1/index.php [L]
</IfModule>

Very similar to David's suggestion.  Actually, I'm not sure why  
David's suggestion didn't work.  He lead me in certain directions, I  
bounced around the web a few times looking things up and trying  
various permutations, and when it finally worked I realized I had  
gone the long way around and was back very close to what was  
suggested.  :)

Thanks for the help!

Steve

On Oct 3, 2006, at 10:58 PM, David Kaufman wrote:

> Stephen Rider <evolt_org at striderweb.com> wrote:
>> ...in one directory /blog/ and a symbolic link,
>> /blog2/ (and /blog3/, /blog4/...) that points to the /blog/
>> directory...
>>
>> I want to tell the [mod_rewrite] block, essentially, "If the
>> directory structure starts with /blog/, point to /blog/index.php.
>> If it starts with /blog2/ point to /blog2/index.php
>
> You need to remove their rewrite rule
> in the /blog/ dir, modify it and place it in an .htaccess file one
> directory *up*, in this case, the document root of your site.
>
> Try this, in /.htaccess
>
> RewriteEngine On
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}        ^/blog([0-9]*)/
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME}   !-f
> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME}   !-d
> RewriteRule .                     /%1/index.php [L]




From ken.schaefer at gmail.com  Thu Oct  5 00:52:46 2006
From: ken.schaefer at gmail.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:52:46 +1000
Subject: [thelist] IE7 Ecommerce problem
In-Reply-To: <4523EF0E.5050705@kickasswebdesign.com>
References: <4523EF0E.5050705@kickasswebdesign.com>
Message-ID: <11de06e20610042252w6a97a0f3k8dfbdf35e7b02d9@mail.gmail.com>

BJ,

All requests to be added or taken off the phishing lists are vetted -
it is not an automatic process.

What exactly is "a fair amount" in empirical terms? It's a bit vague.
>From what I understand, most of the major studies comparing filters
seem to put IE at the better end of the spectrum (i.e. fewer false
positives, more positive identifications).

And lastly, what does IE do that other phishing filters do not? Why is
the IE phishing filter any worse than any of the other filters already
out there for quite some time?

Thanks

Cheers
Ken

On 10/5/06, BJ <bj at kickasswebdesign.com> wrote:
> IE7 has a phishing filter built in, that users can turn on, and will be
> widely pushed as one of their security features. In fact, according to
> an email I received from Zoe Gillenwater, they're already talking it up,
> at least they did at the conference she attended recently.
>
> There are two problems with it. The first is that it's giving a fair
> amount of false positives. This brands legitimate sites as "phishers".
> The false positives can appear on any page, and are often very deep into
> the ecommerce payment process where most folks who own an ecommerce site
> wouldn't look after initially testing out the cart to see if it works.
> The only way to report the issue is to find the page within the site
> which is being labelled *boldly* as a phishing site, and click the link
> there for site owners to report false positives, which MS seems to be
> handling quickly now, but since IE7 is to be released as a priority
> download through autoupdate it could be very hurtful to a lot of
> business people on the web who aren't aware of this and get nailed at
> the time of the IE7 "bulk" release.
>
> The other problem with it is that there is a link within the IE7 browser
> where anyone can report a "suspicious" site, which seems to have the
> effect of labelling the site in question fairly quickly, and whether the
> MS folks are vetting these reports is questionable at this point. The
> potential for abuse is astronomical. Anyone can report their
> competitors' sites as phishing sites. Even if the issue is caught by the
> legitimate site owner within a few days there may be enough residual
> damage via word of mouth to put a dent in that person's business.
>
> I found out about it through this thread on WebProWorld:
> <http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=67905>
>
> If you have a blog, please blog this issue. I've posted it on the
> cubecart forum, if y'all belong to other ecommerce ap forums please pass
> the word. I would also suggest being proactive and notifying clients for
> whom you've designed ecommerce sites about the issue, so they don't
> think it's anything you did, and so they can deal with it before the big
> turd hits the fan. This could get very ugly.
>
> --
> Ciao for Now,
> bj
>
> SAVE THE INTERNET! http://savetheinternet.com
>
> http://kickasswebdesign.com
> devblog: http://kickasswebdesign.com/wordpress/
> Kickass WebGeek Resources: http://kickasswebdesign.com/webgeekdir/
> Refresh Delaware Valley - Web Accessibility Group
> http://refreshdelval.org
>
> "I'd put my money on the Sun and solar energy. What a source of power!
> I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."
> -Thomas Edison
>
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
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From beades at almonte.com  Thu Oct  5 05:15:37 2006
From: beades at almonte.com (Brent Eades)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 06:15:37 -0400
Subject: [thelist] ImageMagick and convert
In-Reply-To: <4523C3C5.6080403@frii.com>
References: <452186FA.8080907@frii.com><002001c6e6ea$c74e6fe0$1301a8c0@m6454c0093c614>	<45229BF4.9090204@frii.com>	<001a01c6e795$2ef30660$1301a8c0@m6454c0093c614>
	<4523C3C5.6080403@frii.com>
Message-ID: <4524DB49.7010405@almonte.com>

Bob Meetin wrote:

>> Wouldn't it just be enough to resample the images to certain dimensions 
>> (800x600?) and save them as 80% jpeg, for example. On average you should get 
>> image sizes that are average for images that size (for the example given I 
>> think we are looking at the range of about 60K to 200K).

Interesting. I had never used the -quality option with ImageMagick, and 
assumed there was something anomalous with either your installation or 
your source photos, to obtain such unintuitive results.

But I tested your scenario on both my Win and Linux installs of 
ImageMagick and got similar results. My source image was a JPEG photo, 
2048x1068, straight from my digital camera.

Using your command -- convert $file -density 72x72 -quality 100 -- 
increased the size of the file from 600K to about 1M, on both Win and 
Linux. There did seem to be a very slight increase in quality (less 
pixellation here and there), but that could be my imagination.

The 'resize' option, however -- convert $file -resize 800x600 -- brought 
the size down to about 110K, while producing quite a decent resampled 
version of the   original. (ImageMagick automatically applies a 
resampling filter when the -resize option is used. Its choice of filter 
depends on the format of the source image, and on whether its dimensions 
are being increased or decreased.)

So... it's not just you :)

BTW, here's an example of one of my '-resize 800x600' tests:

http://almonte.com/test/im_test_800win.jpg

-- 
Brent Eades	
Almonte, Ontario
http://almonte.com



From julian.rickards at ontario.ca  Thu Oct  5 08:21:24 2006
From: julian.rickards at ontario.ca (Rickards, Julian (NDM))
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:21:24 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Saving PDFs
In-Reply-To: <9e3dd260610020801q4dc261d5pf42ac913891932f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA5A3@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>

Hi:

I am running Acrobat 7 Pro and would like to hear from a user with
Acrobat 7 Standard. I know that you can't save partly-completed PDF
forms if you have only Acrobat Reader and I know that I can save
partly-completed PDF forms in Acrobat 7 Pro but I don't know if a user
of Acrobat 7 Standard can.

Go to
http://www.forms.ssb.gov.on.ca/mbs/ssb/forms/ssbforms.nsf/AttachDocsPubl
ish/0198~1/$File/0198+-Jan+2006.pdf, type your name in the appropriate
field and then try to save the form. If you are able to save the form,
please open the saved form and tell me if your name is still saved
within the field.

Thanks,

Jules


From stephen.d.allen at gmail.com  Thu Oct  5 09:20:23 2006
From: stephen.d.allen at gmail.com (Stephen)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:20:23 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Saving PDFs
In-Reply-To: <294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA5A3@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>
References: <9e3dd260610020801q4dc261d5pf42ac913891932f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA5A3@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>
Message-ID: <20061005142023.GF10798@sweetpig.dyndns.org>

On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 09:21:24AM -0400 or thereabouts, Rickards, Julian (NDM) wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> I am running Acrobat 7 Pro and would like to hear from a user with
> Acrobat 7 Standard. I know that you can't save partly-completed PDF
> forms if you have only Acrobat Reader and I know that I can save
> partly-completed PDF forms in Acrobat 7 Pro but I don't know if a user
> of Acrobat 7 Standard can.

I don't think you can save form data in Standard. I checked the
following web page, and it seems to indicate that Standard doesn't do
form data saves -- Check the links in the header of the page for both
Standard and Pro features. Pro explicitly mentions saving form data,
whereas it's not mentioned at all in the Standard feature list.

<http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html>

-- 
Regards
Stephen
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Writing is turning one's worst moments into money.
		-- J.P. Donleavy
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From julian.rickards at ontario.ca  Thu Oct  5 09:38:33 2006
From: julian.rickards at ontario.ca (Rickards, Julian (NDM))
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:38:33 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Saving PDFs
In-Reply-To: <20061005142023.GF10798@sweetpig.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA5D0@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>

Hah! You're smarter than I for checking the product matrix!

Thanks,

Jules 

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:20 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Saving PDFs

On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 09:21:24AM -0400 or thereabouts, Rickards,
Julian (NDM) wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> I am running Acrobat 7 Pro and would like to hear from a user with 
> Acrobat 7 Standard. I know that you can't save partly-completed PDF 
> forms if you have only Acrobat Reader and I know that I can save 
> partly-completed PDF forms in Acrobat 7 Pro but I don't know if a user

> of Acrobat 7 Standard can.

I don't think you can save form data in Standard. I checked the
following web page, and it seems to indicate that Standard doesn't do
form data saves -- Check the links in the header of the page for both
Standard and Pro features. Pro explicitly mentions saving form data,
whereas it's not mentioned at all in the Standard feature list.

<http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html>

--
Regards
Stephen
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++
Writing is turning one's worst moments into money.
		-- J.P. Donleavy
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++
-- 

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From evolt07 at delime.com  Thu Oct  5 14:53:44 2006
From: evolt07 at delime.com (M. Seyon)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:53:44 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Saving PDFs
In-Reply-To: <294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA5A3@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cih
	s.ad.gov.on.ca>
References: <9e3dd260610020801q4dc261d5pf42ac913891932f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20061005155200.02155590@mx1.delime.com>

Hi Julian,

I've been doing some research into creating pdf files that can be saved by 
users of acrobat reader. Drop me an email offlist if you like and I can 
share the info I've gathered with you.

regards.
-marc

Message from Rickards, Julian \(NDM\) (10/5/2006 09:21 AM)

>Hi:
>
>I am running Acrobat 7 Pro and would like to hear from a user with
>Acrobat 7 Standard. I know that you can't save partly-completed PDF
>forms if you have only Acrobat Reader and I know that I can save
>partly-completed PDF forms in Acrobat 7 Pro but I don't know if a user
>of Acrobat 7 Standard can.



From jdowdell at adobe.com  Thu Oct  5 15:51:10 2006
From: jdowdell at adobe.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:51:10 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Saving PDFs
In-Reply-To: <294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA5A3@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>
References: <294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA5A3@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>
Message-ID: <4525703E.6040609@adobe.com>

Rickards, Julian (NDM) wrote:
> I know that you can't save partly-completed PDF
> forms if you have only Acrobat Reader and I know that I can save
> partly-completed PDF forms in Acrobat 7 Pro but I don't know if a user
> of Acrobat 7 Standard can.

The product matrix is in a bit of flux right now, because Adobe Acrobat 
8 was announced last week. There's probably a 7.0 matrix somewhere on 
the site or in the docs, but I'm late to a meeting right now and can't 
search.... :(

Additionally, the word "save" above could be intended in different 
senses... might mean save to the local drive, might mean save to the 
server. I'm also not positive that the form will be filled out in 
Reader... might be that you're designing for Acrobat Standard users, not 
positive.

The basic distinction is that the free Adobe Reader is a reader, with 
some collaborative abilities (commenting, etc), while Acrobat (either 
Standard or Professional) is a creation tool. Acrobat users can set 
permissions on documents they create for varying tasks done in the free 
Reader.

Adobe Acrobat 8, either Standard or Pro, will be able to create 
documents where people using the free Adobe Reader can fill out forms 
and archive these forms to their local drive. My memory is that Acrobat 
7, both Standard and Pro, could create documents where users of teh free 
Adobe Reader could fill out forms and submit them for remote storage, 
but neither could create forms which Reader users could save to their 
own local drives.

I don't have Acrobat Standard on my machine -- they put Pro on here at 
the acquisition -- so I can't check. The documentation would still be 
the best bet, but my memory is that both Acrobat 7 Standard and Acrobat 
7 Pro could make forms which Reader 7 users could fill out and save 
remotely, but it's Acrobat 8 which adds local file-creation to the mix. 
Docs would be a better source, though....

jd








-- 
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Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd
Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna
Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/
Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks.


From dwain.alford at gmail.com  Thu Oct  5 16:31:05 2006
From: dwain.alford at gmail.com (dwain.alford at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:31:05 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Saving PDFs
In-Reply-To: <4525703E.6040609@adobe.com>
References: <294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA5A3@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>
	<4525703E.6040609@adobe.com>
Message-ID: <45257999.5050202@gmail.com>

John Dowdell wrote:
> Rickards, Julian (NDM) wrote:
>> I know that you can't save partly-completed PDF
>> forms if you have only Acrobat Reader and I know that I can save
>> partly-completed PDF forms in Acrobat 7 Pro but I don't know if a user
>> of Acrobat 7 Standard can.
> 

> 
> The basic distinction is that the free Adobe Reader is a reader, with 
> some collaborative abilities (commenting, etc), while Acrobat (either 
> Standard or Professional) is a creation tool. Acrobat users can set 
> permissions on documents they create for varying tasks done in the free 
> Reader.
> 
to my understanding forms can be saved in reader if the "sender" has the 
server extensions in place for this to happen.  several years ago i was 
doing research for a real estate company to put their forms in pdf 
format so they could be filled out online or in the office and saved for 
later printing when necessary.

what i found out was for this to happen you had to purchase a package 
from adobe that cost several thousand dollars.  needless to say the real 
estate company passed on the idea.

dwain


From sales at lycosa.co.uk  Thu Oct  5 16:56:33 2006
From: sales at lycosa.co.uk (Sales @ Lycosa)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:56:33 +0100
Subject: [thelist] PHP regex double quotes problem
In-Reply-To: <45257999.5050202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6e8c9$23eaf8b0$0201a8c0@DEV>

I'm trying to allow user input of double quotes with regular expressions in
php. magic_quotes_pgc is on.

Straightforward form input regex:

^[a-zA-Z0-9!?$%^&*()_=+:;@\'/~#<>,.? -\"]+$

I tried running a test on
http://programmabilities.com/php/regular-expression-tester.php which returns
valid for:

foo " bar

I also tried to no avail:
^[a-zA-Z0-9!?$%^&*()_=+:;@\\\'/~#<>,.? -\\\"]+$

What am I doing wrong?

Please help, thanks.
Phil

[I feel like the waiter bringing in the New Year over and over at Itchy &
Scratchy land]




From julian.rickards at gmail.com  Thu Oct  5 20:13:27 2006
From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:13:27 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Saving PDFs
In-Reply-To: <45257999.5050202@gmail.com>
References: <294B63D734544B438995226DBD3ABAF69DA5A3@CTSPITDCEMMVX03.cihs.ad.gov.on.ca>
	<4525703E.6040609@adobe.com> <45257999.5050202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7613e9690610051813k56c428cdu90d6c3115ccb567e@mail.gmail.com>

Just for clarification, I work for the Ontario (Canada) Ministry of Northern
Development and Mines. In fact it doesn't matter which ministry I work for
because the government has centralized all PDF forms for all ministries on a
single eforms site and we don't make the forms, they do (which causes great
delays in correcting or updating them).

All that aside, we have some clients who often use the same forms multiple
times and would like to store partly completed forms on their hard drive for
later reuse. All of our forms are to be mailed or faxed, we don't have the
functionality to have the data submitted to a server.

Regarding the Acrobat matrix, I seem to have read that saving a form from
Reader is possible if Acrobat (the creator) has enabled this functionality.
I haven't looked into this and won't be able to until my extra-long weekend
(Friday plus Canadian Thanksgiving Weekend) is done and I return to work on
Tuesday.

Jules

On 05/10/06, dwain.alford at gmail.com <dwain.alford at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> John Dowdell wrote:
> > Rickards, Julian (NDM) wrote:
> >> I know that you can't save partly-completed PDF
> >> forms if you have only Acrobat Reader and I know that I can save
> >> partly-completed PDF forms in Acrobat 7 Pro but I don't know if a user
> >> of Acrobat 7 Standard can.
> >
>
> >
> > The basic distinction is that the free Adobe Reader is a reader, with
> > some collaborative abilities (commenting, etc), while Acrobat (either
> > Standard or Professional) is a creation tool. Acrobat users can set
> > permissions on documents they create for varying tasks done in the free
> > Reader.
> >
> to my understanding forms can be saved in reader if the "sender" has the
> server extensions in place for this to happen.  several years ago i was
> doing research for a real estate company to put their forms in pdf
> format so they could be filled out online or in the office and saved for
> later printing when necessary.
>
> what i found out was for this to happen you had to purchase a package
> from adobe that cost several thousand dollars.  needless to say the real
> estate company passed on the idea.
>
> dwain
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From potatosculptor at gmail.com  Thu Oct  5 23:27:03 2006
From: potatosculptor at gmail.com (sam foster)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:27:03 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Help a journalist (again): best/worst interview
	questions?
In-Reply-To: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E69DB5FBC@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
References: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E69DB5FBC@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
Message-ID: <9e3dd260610052127l4fcd57b4ke8d8bf953ca916a9@mail.gmail.com>

I have no doubt I have been someone's nightmare interviewer. I've
never been a hiring manager, I'm have usually been in the role of
"peer" or perhaps senior team member who gets some input and the
occassional veto. I'm also charged with assessing the veracity of
claims of skills and experience. When interviewing front-end
developers (my field), the resume doesnt usually tell you much beyond
some basic facts and acronyms. Discerning aptitude and attitude is
tricky, but I've found a simple test to speak volumes - not just in
what they got right and wrong, but how the approached it- did they
take it seriously, did they take offense at being made to jump through
hoops, did they apply their experience to the task or just rush
through it
One tip: beware the long interview: human nature means that if you
have no intention of hiring someone, the tendency is to linger and
work off some guilt through friendly conversation!

My worst interview question (given and received): "why should we hire
you?" .. or maybe, "why do you want to work here?" (er.. because I
need the money?)

My best: "can you fix this?" .. Personally, I'd rather be put on the
spot and given a (relevant) challenge - it puts me in my comfort zone
and lets me demonstrate problem solving, skills, experience, etc. in
context.

Sam


From david at gigawatt.com  Thu Oct  5 23:31:46 2006
From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:31:46 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Help a journalist (again): best/worst interview
	questions?
References: <8F760ECA-6A6A-4E9E-AD56-21F4FA96E3EF@bitranch.com>
Message-ID: <012801c6e905$939ac5a0$020010ac@cylon>

Hi Esther,

Esther Schindler <esther at bitranch.com> wrote:
> Hi, folks. I'm working on an article for DevSource.com that I think
> will be fun and useful, and I'd like your help [...]
>
> ...an interviewer asks a lame question that doesn't even
> approach that goal, such as, "What are your three greatest strengths
> and three greatest weaknesses?" As dumb as it is, the interviewer
> doesn't know what to ask; what he really wants to know is if you'd be
> a comfortable person to sit next to, 40+ hours a week, and if you're
> just BSing about what you know how to do.

I've been asked that so many times that once, when asked an interesting 
*variation* on it, it took me by surprise and elicited much more 
interesting (to both of us) answers,

I was on a first interview with a company I suspected probably would not 
hire me.   And he changed it up by asking the two parts of the question 
separately (and reversed the usual order):

"Six months from now, what am I going to like *least* about working with 
you?"

Being something of a perfectionist, a control freak, and an 
obsessive/compulsive seeker of order amidst chaos, and remembering that 
these traits seemed to have infuriated others often in the past, I 
answered that he'd probably be tired of me pointing out potential 
problems that I saw in a project really way too early in the design 
phases.  I explained that, being a perfectionist, I often found myself 
trying to reduce complexity and challenge what I saw as potentially 
troublesome design decisions very early on, before they were too late to 
change easily.  I also volunteered honestly that I tended to want to 
build systems better than originally planned, and that this desire to 
improve-as-I-go often lead to late completion of my work.

He seemed to accept that answer well enough.  But I didn't recognize the 
question as a variation on the old "3 greatest strengths and 3 greatest 
weaknesses" saw until he followed up with the corresponding "And what am 
I going to like *most* about working with you in six months?"

So I used the same answer. :-)  I got the job, and loved it.  I think 
you're dead on that often interviewers are looking for a "cultural fit" 
as much as a technical one.  The people at this small company, I learned 
as I got to know them, often engaged in lively debates, enjoyed clever 
wordplay, and respected quick-thinking, especially the art of delivering 
a smart-assed answer to an inane question.

I don't know what the worst question I was ever asked was, but the most 
sweat I ever shed in an interview was the *third* interview with that 
same company.  With three of my future bosses sitting around the 
conference room table, and me now thinking I might actually get the job, 
the same guy pulls out a retail product package (the job was web 
development with no mention of retail product packaging), hands it to me 
and asks me what I would say was "wrong with it".

I took the box.  It was empty, and when sold had contained a 
"Veterinarian Barbie" doll.  I had no idea what he meant, or how to 
answer.  I asked a few lame questions like, "you mean, with the box 
itself?  Or the picture, the text?"  He wouldn't give me anything other 
than a non-committal "There's no right or wrong answer.  We'd just like 
to hear what you think is wrong with it.  Take your time."

The others were no help, just looking on silently with interest.  I 
learned later that everyone is given this "test", and it has no bearing 
on their decision to hire someone or not, but their unscientific 
conclusions were that those who they hired that had solved it, all 
tended to work out well as employees, but among those who could not 
solve it, there was no correlated conclusion that could be drawn -- some 
worked out great and others tanked.  Mostly they just liked to watch the 
victim squirm, and at this moment they all just had to work very hard 
not to crack a smile.

So take my time and squirm I did.  With a running banter, because I talk 
a lot when I'm nervous.  "Other than the fact that Vet Barbie has that 
big round mirror on her head that doctors haven't used in decades... and 
this box is pretty old, beat up an worn..." trying to cover all my 
bases, "it's empty... nobody would buy an empty box".  He assured me 
that the problem was with the box not the contents, or lack thereof. 
After what seemed like ten excruciating minutes, but was probably more 
like two, after reading all the copy, every word, twice.  Scanning for 
typos or omissions, turning it over and over again, looking for any 
defect that could be "what's wrong", scouring the brightly colored, 
simple line-drawing pictures of a smiling Barbie wearing a white lab 
coat, with a happy puppy in a simple examination room, standard 
stethoscope and other standard doctor paraphernalia, exam table, eye 
chart on the wall, and an assortment of unlabeled apothecary remedies in 
jars on a counter.  My banter was running thin and I was about to give 
up, when it hit me.

I was so relived it pretty well bubbled out of me "Wait! Barbie's a vet, 
Not an optometrist!  What's she doing with that eye-chart on her wall?" 
They all busted out laughing with a "wait for it..." look, as my brain 
made the final clicking sounds.  I'd seen *what* was wrong, but not, 
before opening my mouth, why it was wrong.

"Oh, well right.  And yeah, the other thing too, of course.  Y'know, 
that dogs can't read."

-dave

--
a perl web application programmer, aspiring ajax slinger and wannabe 
user experience guru working in NYC 



From esther at bitranch.com  Fri Oct  6 07:51:31 2006
From: esther at bitranch.com (Esther Schindler)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 05:51:31 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Help a journalist (again): best/worst interview
	questions?
In-Reply-To: <012801c6e905$939ac5a0$020010ac@cylon>
References: <8F760ECA-6A6A-4E9E-AD56-21F4FA96E3EF@bitranch.com>
	<012801c6e905$939ac5a0$020010ac@cylon>
Message-ID: <B55C23BE-642C-4A26-B337-CC274B1306F7@bitranch.com>

I love this. Because it's at the heart of what they _want_ to know.

Did you ask the same of the interviewer?

On Oct 5, 2006, at 9:31 PM, David Kaufman wrote:

> I was on a first interview with a company I suspected probably  
> would not
> hire me.   And he changed it up by asking the two parts of the  
> question
> separately (and reversed the usual order):
>
> "Six months from now, what am I going to like *least* about working  
> with
> you?"



From rob.smith at lexjet.com  Fri Oct  6 09:47:22 2006
From: rob.smith at lexjet.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:47:22 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Help a journalist (again): best/worst
	interviewquestions?
In-Reply-To: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E69DB5FBC@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
References: <56608562F6D5D948B22F5615E3F57E69DB5FBC@YGEX01WAL.onecall.local>
Message-ID: <25A592EB84583B48A16B86A25F56E7CE01F1D5F0@lesjetcorp01.lexjetcorp.com>

<snip>I have quit giving tests during interviews.</snip>

You know Jay, the only thing I remember from my test from you is the
fact that you liked it when I closed my </p> tag. Everything else is a
blur. You did give me some oddball questions though. 

The only two questions that I remember from my various interviews is,
"How would you design this?" 

Loved the Barbie story though! I'll have to use it later.

Rob Smith
LexJet
rob.smith at lexjet.com
http://www.lexjet.com
(800)453-9538
(941)330-1210 Int'l
(941)330-1220 Fax
1680 Fruitville Road, 3rd Floor
Sarasota, FL 34236



From david at gigawatt.com  Sat Oct  7 20:50:38 2006
From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:50:38 -0400
Subject: [thelist] SOLVED: htaccess mod_rewrite help please!!!
References: <6F984153-B67A-4704-808C-4AB4C82D7D69@striderweb.com><001d01c6e769$60bba390$020010ac@cylon><EBB84D59-9BF7-45D3-BD61-BBEE84FA6A33@striderweb.com>
	<28C691F6-0A62-4668-B323-F997AE4A244F@striderweb.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01c6ea7c$27c11f50$020010ac@cylon>

Hi Stephen,

Stephen Rider <evolt_org at striderweb.com> wrote:
> This, in the blog directory (not root directory) did the trick:
> [snip]
> Very similar to David's suggestion.  Actually, I'm not sure why
> David's suggestion didn't work.

Me neither! Maybe I shoulda tested it first... :-)

> ...He lead me in certain directions, I
> bounced around the web a few times looking things up and trying
> various permutations, and when it finally worked I realized I had
> gone the long way around and was back very close to what was
> suggested.  :)
>
> Thanks for the help!

You're quite welcome.  Glad my leading you to bouncing helped!

mod_rewite is somehing of a black art.  In my experience with it, just 
about anything is possible, yet just about nothing ever seems to ever on 
the first try, and what finally does end up working usually looks 
nothing like what you though it would.

But such is the nature of all black arts.

-dave 



From skquinn at speakeasy.net  Sun Oct  8 00:41:32 2006
From: skquinn at speakeasy.net (Shawn K. Quinn)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 00:41:32 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive Flash editors that won't mess
	with	existing functionality
In-Reply-To: <5204cc90277f45f1980de1affb23d5f6@easylistbox.com>
References: <5204cc90277f45f1980de1affb23d5f6@easylistbox.com>
Message-ID: <1160286093.8271.2.camel@afterburner>

On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 08:02 -0700, Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com)
wrote:
> Speaking of FAQs...
> 
>     A client of a friend is looking for a way to update things like
>  contact info and images within their Flash site (
>  http://tinyurl.com/jzmjy ).  Their first thought was that they needed
>  a web developer -- which may be the best way to go -- but I was
>  wondering if anyone could recommend some easy-to-use editor that won't
>  cripple or mess up the existing content.

This is going to be hard to nearly impossible to do. This is exactly why
one should not put everything in a Flash movie (and it is more properly
called a Flash movie instead of a Flash site).

My advice is start over with HTML and CSS, which are designed to be
platform-independent and will work even on platforms that Adobe doesn't
think it's in their best interest to support.

-- 
Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn at speakeasy.net>



From ben.joyce at gmail.com  Sun Oct  8 06:16:59 2006
From: ben.joyce at gmail.com (Ben Joyce)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:16:59 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Printing from Flash (exe) without confirmation
In-Reply-To: <452446C4.4060905@adobe.com>
References: <cb118a440610041419h1b2884e2vff46f023610fa903@mail.gmail.com>
	<452446C4.4060905@adobe.com>
Message-ID: <cb118a440610080416o17e6760ambae3309e81ae884f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the reply.  We're still investigating our options.. I am
confident we'll find a solution! :)

Ben

On 10/5/06, John Dowdell <jdowdell at adobe.com> wrote:
> Ben Joyce wrote:
> > Does anyone know if it possible to print directly from a Flash
> > (compiled as an executable) without getting a print confirmation
> > dialog (in Windows) ?
>
> In the browser, no... the computer's owner has to consent to the
> printing before it will happen.
>
> But in a standalone, it depends on the standalone shell you're using, I
> think... on Windows, the Adobe Flash Player is delivered as an ActiveX
> Control, and other applications can invoke this control. It seems
> possible to do a printscreen at screen resolution (rather than Flash's
> vectors), where the Player would never know that its content was piped
> to a printer.
>
> jd
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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From ontheroad at frii.com  Sun Oct  8 13:06:58 2006
From: ontheroad at frii.com (Bob Meetin)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 12:06:58 -0600
Subject: [thelist] digishop shopping cart - cURL support is not installed
Message-ID: <45293E42.2050704@frii.com>

I'm setting up a shopping cart on a FRII.com linux server, transferring 
it from a windows system.

I get past the point of setting up myself as a customer, then get to the 
Choose Shipping Provider page (options are UPS or USPS).
Regardless of either choice, it fails when I select continue with the 
message:

SHOPPING CART ERROR
PHP with cURL support is not installed
--------------------------------------
Powered by digiShop

Of course, the shopping cart program is digishop.  Will this require a 
request to the ISP/hosting service or is there a way around?
I get the same error if I change the settings in the database to not 
have cURL reference PHP.

-Bob