Hello Evolt Ok, I still have a new problem. on: http://www.deltatraffic.co.uk/clients/aqg/ I want to be able to push the menu to the side of the central panel as in: http://www.deltatraffic.co.uk/clients/aqg/menu-to-side-of-content.png (from a FF2 rendering) so that the middle content is always centralised and the menu on the left nudges up to it. is this possible to do in XHTML? Anyway, it is currently rendering as: http://www.deltatraffic.co.uk/clients/aqg/ (in FF2) Any suggestions welcome on how I do this. Clever use of floats perhaps? thanks in advance. Alex -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0ffice: Claremont St, Aberdeen City, AB10 6QR Mobile (3 network): 07886 487 271