We use eve/groupee for our forums, and have a problems rendering in IE browsers. This problem is fixed if we can add a <doctype>, but their admin interface won't allow us to do that, and they don't use one. We have access to add code in the HEAD, so is there a meta tag or script that can we can use to fix this? To see this problem in IE, here is a mockup: This page has a doctype http://osstage.ny.publicus.com/mom_frame.html This page has NO doctype, all of the other code is the same. http://osstage.ny.publicus.com/mom_frame2.html Any ideas? -Vince