[thelist] What's a Programmer To Do?

[Barney Carroll]

Olivier,

What exactly is Jaxer? From their site, I just got really confused. How are
my 'DOM skills' going to help me build a decent back-end? Speaking as
somebody who can deal with just about everything front-end but struggles
with back-end and proper OO programming, the idea seems incredibly
tantalising but also a bit ridiculous…

Regards,
Barney Carroll
Web designer & front-end developer

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2009/4/1 Jon Molesa <rjmolesa at consoltec.net>

> I understand the pain and am personally moving away from Wordpress to
> CakePHP for the same reasons.  Upgrading is such a hassle and I can't
> run multiple WP installs off one code base.  With Cake I have the core
> in a system-wide location, apps in another, and html in the public
> folder.  I can symlink a specific cake version to just cake, or keep
> certain sites running on a specific version of cake if I like.  Or I can
> upgrade them all by just replacing the core folder, in my case recreate
> a symlink.  It's nice, clean, simple, scalable and I get to write the
> site/application specific code while not reinventing the wheel with each
> project.  I get the level of control I'm seeking as well.  IMHO, Drupal
> is not a framework and there's a huge deal of effort spent to my
> customizable user interfaces.  I don't understand that really.  Once an
> interface is set up to add/edit/delete data the only time the interface
> should change is if the data definition changes.  It just seems like a
> lot of configuration that I'd rather not do.  That specific issue make
> it difficult to deploy Drupal code to an already running live site.  All
> the manual configuration that was performed on the development side has
> to then be duplicated on the live site.  Drupal is nice to get a CMS up
> and running quickly, but in my experience, it's more work than necessary
> long-term.
>
> *On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 03:22:44PM +0200 Fred Jones <
> fredthejonester at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:22:44 +0200
> > From: Fred Jones <fredthejonester at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [thelist] What's a Programmer To Do?
> > To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> >
> > I started off some years ago programming in Perl and then switched to
> > PHP (not on purpose really). Of course HTML/CSS/JS/SQL are "par for
> > the course" in my business, which is making small to medium sized
> > sites for individuals, small businesses and NPOs. I then fell into
> > Drupal (not on purpose again) and have been working with that for
> > maybe 2 years. Before that I did a half a year with CakePHP.
> >
> > I am getting mildly tired of Drupal. One reason is that I just learned
> > about the upgrade and EOL issue (Drupal 5 will be EOL'd later this
> > year meaning no more security updates. I didn't realize that when I
> > built over a dozen sites with it in the past year or so). Second is
> > that Drupal is a lot about configuration and using available module
> > code and less about just programming. I miss programming. I studied it
> > in University and I like it but I don't do *so* much of it now. :(
> >
> > Could also just be that I am getting burned out of the same (Drupal)
> > project I have been working on for almost a year. :)
> >
> > I was thinking of trying to switch back to CakePHP b/c the work there
> > is inherently mostly just coding. But a friend said to me that, in his
> > experience, the market is 3 to 1 in favor of requests for Drupal work
> > than Cake work. I would also consider Ruby on Rails I suppose, but
> > there would be more of a learning curve there.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm just wondering what people think--I *may* be ready for a
> change. :)
> >
> > Thanks.
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