seems like I run into this every time I edit javascript any more can anyone point out the childishly simple reason that I can submit this page w/o the validation routine firing at all? http://www.businessheretics.com/ck/login/welcome.asp?s=S-58D907802X8109305 FireFox error console doesn't show any errors. -- Joel at Bizba6.com http://BusinessHeretics.com/