[thelist] pricing for web sites?

Tania Leonian tania.leonian at kabbalah.com
Tue Sep 22 14:53:52 CDT 2009


Hi all - 
I'm moving to freelance work and want to know what a general ball park
amount people charge for a simple, mostly content web site - maybe
captures email addresses for newsletters, say about 5 separate pages
with side bar content and menu bar? Or if this isn't the place and you
can suggest a better way of going about it, that would be great. 
Thanks very much,
Tania


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   1.  Querying Vendor-specific CSS extensions (ivo)
   2.  CMS Recommendations (Todd Richards)
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   4. Re:  CMS Recommendations (Bob Meetin)
   5. Re:  CMS Recommendations (Dan McCullough)
   6. Re:  CMS Recommendations (Ron Dorman)
   7. Re:  CMS Recommendations (Robert Lee)
   8. Re:  CMS Recommendations (Fred Jones)
   9. Re:  CMS Recommendations (Todd Richards)
  10. Re:  CMS Recommendations (Will)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:36:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: ivo <cervantes_vive at yahoo.com>
Subject: [thelist] Querying Vendor-specific CSS extensions
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
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Hello listers,

Can I use the JavaScript API (in IE or Mozilla) to query for
Vendor-specific CSS properties applied to an element?
(http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/syndata.html#vendor-keywords)

I have a stylesheet with vendor extensions and I need to check the
elements to which specific ones are applied.


Thanks,

- Ivo



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:28:51 -0500
From: "Todd Richards" <todd at promisingsites.com>
Subject: [thelist] CMS Recommendations
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
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Hello -

I'm looking for a good CMS for a site for a bar/restaurant.  Flavor
isn't a
big deal - can either be .NET or PHP.  However, free/cheap is important.

Besides being easy to use, the two major "modules" that it needs is to
manage events, and have a GOOD photo gallery.  By "good", it would be
nice
to have the ability to upload multiple files at once.  The ones I've
been
looking at have options such as "if you want to upload multiple files,
click
the add button and choose your new file."  That won't work if you have
100
photos from an event they want to publish.  

I've looked at several, but without installing and hunting down modules,
I
can't tell if they will do what I need.  So if anyone knows of something
that fits the bill, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Todd





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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:24:56 +0100
From: ben morrison <morrison.ben at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [thelist] CMS Recommendations
To: todd at promisingsites.com, 	"thelist at lists.evolt.org"
	<thelist at lists.evolt.org>
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On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Todd Richards <todd at promisingsites.com>
wrote:
> Hello -
>
> I'm looking for a good CMS for a site for a bar/restaurant. ?Flavor
isn't a
> big deal - can either be .NET or PHP. ?However, free/cheap is
important.
>
> Besides being easy to use, the two major "modules" that it needs is to
> manage events, and have a GOOD photo gallery. ?By "good", it would be
nice
> to have the ability to upload multiple files at once. ?The ones I've
been
> looking at have options such as "if you want to upload multiple files,
click
> the add button and choose your new file." ?That won't work if you have
100
> photos from an event they want to publish.

Do you need the CMS todo everything?

E.G.

You could always use a service such as flickr to manage photos and
pull in the pics with their API.
http://www.flickr.com/services/api/

ben
-- 
Ben Morrison


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 08:28:52 -0600
From: Bob Meetin <bobm at dottedi.biz>
Subject: Re: [thelist] CMS Recommendations
To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <4AB78DA4.1010906 at dottedi.biz>
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Todd Richards wrote:
> Hello -
>
> I'm looking for a good CMS for a site for a bar/restaurant.  Flavor
isn't a
> big deal - can either be .NET or PHP.  However, free/cheap is
important.
>
> Besides being easy to use, the two major "modules" that it needs is to
> manage events, and have a GOOD photo gallery.  By "good", it would be
nice
> to have the ability to upload multiple files at once.  The ones I've
been
> looking at have options such as "if you want to upload multiple files,
click
> the add button and choose your new file."  That won't work if you have
100
> photos from an event they want to publish.  
>
> I've looked at several, but without installing and hunting down
modules, I
> can't tell if they will do what I need.  So if anyone knows of
something
> that fits the bill, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!
>
> Todd
>   
Joomla's Media Manager doesn't by default provide an option to load 
multiple files, however there are several slideshow components which 
provide this and/or the flexibility to upload a zip file.  You could 
write your own script as well.

-- 
Bob Meetin
www.dottedi.biz
303-926-0167



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:23:34 -0400
From: Dan McCullough <dan.mccullough at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [thelist] CMS Recommendations
To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
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Wordpress sounds like it would do the trick, I know its considered blog
software but it can function easily as a CMS.  You then could look into
Gallery 2 plugin which is a photo gallery and I know that WP has plugins
for
Events.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Todd Richards
<todd at promisingsites.com>wrote:

> Hello -
>
> I'm looking for a good CMS for a site for a bar/restaurant.  Flavor
isn't a
> big deal - can either be .NET or PHP.  However, free/cheap is
important.
>
> Besides being easy to use, the two major "modules" that it needs is to
> manage events, and have a GOOD photo gallery.  By "good", it would be
nice
> to have the ability to upload multiple files at once.  The ones I've
been
> looking at have options such as "if you want to upload multiple files,
> click
> the add button and choose your new file."  That won't work if you have
100
> photos from an event they want to publish.
>
> I've looked at several, but without installing and hunting down
modules, I
> can't tell if they will do what I need.  So if anyone knows of
something
> that fits the bill, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!
>
> Todd
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:51:58 -0500
From: Ron Dorman <rwd at csi1st.net>
Subject: Re: [thelist] CMS Recommendations
To: bobm at dottedi.biz, "thelist at lists.evolt.org"
	<thelist at lists.evolt.org>
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I have used Gallery on a couple of sites, one a roll-your-own, one a 
Drupal CMS.

Gallery, http://gallery.menalto.com, provides for multiple image import 
and management via Gallery Remote, multiple galleries, sub-galleries, 
password protected galleries, several other nice features. It's also 
Open Source, download and install.

Drupal has a module, http://drupal.org/project/gallery, for embedding 
Gallery 2 into a Drupal site. Drupal is Open Source, download and
install.

Ron D.

Bob Meetin wrote:
> Todd Richards wrote:
>   
>> Hello -
>>
>> I'm looking for a good CMS for a site for a bar/restaurant.  Flavor
isn't a
>> big deal - can either be .NET or PHP.  However, free/cheap is
important.
>>
>> Besides being easy to use, the two major "modules" that it needs is
to
>> manage events, and have a GOOD photo gallery.  By "good", it would be
nice
>> to have the ability to upload multiple files at once.  The ones I've
been
>> looking at have options such as "if you want to upload multiple
files, click
>> the add button and choose your new file."  That won't work if you
have 100
>> photos from an event they want to publish.  
>>
>> I've looked at several, but without installing and hunting down
modules, I
>> can't tell if they will do what I need.  So if anyone knows of
something
>> that fits the bill, I would greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions!
>>
>> Todd
>>   
>>     
> Joomla's Media Manager doesn't by default provide an option to load 
> multiple files, however there are several slideshow components which 
> provide this and/or the flexibility to upload a zip file.  You could 
> write your own script as well.
>
>   


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:01:37 -0400
From: "Robert Lee" <rob at rob-n-steph.net>
Subject: Re: [thelist] CMS Recommendations
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <001201ca3acc$6caac230$46004690$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I have Wordpress with the NextGEN Gallery plugin, and I have been very
happy
with it. 

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Subject: Re: [thelist] CMS Recommendations

Wordpress sounds like it would do the trick, I know its considered blog
software but it can function easily as a CMS.  You then could look into
Gallery 2 plugin which is a photo gallery and I know that WP has plugins
for
Events.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Todd Richards
<todd at promisingsites.com>wrote:

> Hello -
>
> I'm looking for a good CMS for a site for a bar/restaurant.  Flavor
isn't
a
> big deal - can either be .NET or PHP.  However, free/cheap is
important.
>
> Besides being easy to use, the two major "modules" that it needs is to
> manage events, and have a GOOD photo gallery.  By "good", it would be
nice
> to have the ability to upload multiple files at once.  The ones I've
been
> looking at have options such as "if you want to upload multiple files,
> click
> the add button and choose your new file."  That won't work if you have
100
> photos from an event they want to publish.
>
> I've looked at several, but without installing and hunting down
modules, I
> can't tell if they will do what I need.  So if anyone knows of
something
> that fits the bill, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!
>
> Todd
>
>
>
> --
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:10:09 +0300
From: Fred Jones <fredthejonester at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [thelist] CMS Recommendations
To: todd at promisingsites.com, 	"thelist at lists.evolt.org"
	<thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Message-ID:
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> I'm looking for a good CMS for a site for a bar/restaurant. ?Flavor
isn't a
> big deal - can either be .NET or PHP. ?However, free/cheap is
important.
>
> Besides being easy to use, the two major "modules" that it needs is to
> manage events, and have a GOOD photo gallery. ?By "good", it would be
nice
> to have the ability to upload multiple files at once. ?The ones I've
been
> looking at have options such as "if you want to upload multiple files,
click
> the add button and choose your new file." ?That won't work if you have
100
> photos from an event they want to publish.
>
> I've looked at several, but without installing and hunting down
modules, I
> can't tell if they will do what I need. ?So if anyone knows of
something
> that fits the bill, I would greatly appreciate it.

You will not find anything better than Drupal. Check out the home page
RIGHT NOW to see the latest post that a top-60 site is migrating to
Drupal. Get on the bandwagon dude. :)

Fred, Drupal groupie


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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:49:55 -0500
From: "Todd Richards" <todd at promisingsites.com>
Subject: Re: [thelist] CMS Recommendations
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <015b01ca3ad3$2d935060$88b9f120$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Thanks for the suggestions everyone.  I appreciate the personal
recommendations.  And yes, I will look at Drupal again Fred!  :)

By the way, has anyone used, or have feelings about ExpressionEngine?
No,
not free but very reasonable.  And they supposedly can do what I'm
after.
I've read good things about them but haven't talked with anyone
personally
about it.  And I haven't had time to personally download and set up...

Todd


-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Jones [mailto:fredthejonester at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:10 AM
To: todd at promisingsites.com; thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] CMS Recommendations

> I'm looking for a good CMS for a site for a bar/restaurant. ?Flavor
isn't
a
> big deal - can either be .NET or PHP. ?However, free/cheap is
important.
>
> Besides being easy to use, the two major "modules" that it needs is to
> manage events, and have a GOOD photo gallery. ?By "good", it would be
nice
> to have the ability to upload multiple files at once. ?The ones I've
been
> looking at have options such as "if you want to upload multiple files,
click
> the add button and choose your new file." ?That won't work if you have
100
> photos from an event they want to publish.
>
> I've looked at several, but without installing and hunting down
modules, I
> can't tell if they will do what I need. ?So if anyone knows of
something
> that fits the bill, I would greatly appreciate it.

You will not find anything better than Drupal. Check out the home page
RIGHT NOW to see the latest post that a top-60 site is migrating to
Drupal. Get on the bandwagon dude. :)

Fred, Drupal groupie




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:11:45 -0700
From: Will <willthemoor at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [thelist] CMS Recommendations
To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
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Don't tie up your CMS decision with your media gallery decision.
though media is content, sounds like that's only there to support your
main content - events. As you start to want to extend the events model
(adding more meta, possibly assigning users/groups/who knows), you'll
be bummed that you went with the CMS that had bulk uploading as it's
main feature. If anything, calendering is way thornier. Better
questions are Does this support my existing workflow? Is this
something I can maintain and extend? Is there enough
support/documentation? Can I train content creators to use it?

There are lots and lots of photo services/galleries that you can tie
into your CMS. flickr, gallery2, zenphoto and about 123135135 more.
One nice thing about zenphoto is that it will allow you to dump 100
photos via FTP or directly from windows.
http://www.zenphoto.org/2009/07/zenphoto-uploader-for-windows/ No web
form in the world is going to make uploading 100 photos fun though
flickr comes closest.

My boss writes this blog (http://cmsmyth.com). It's perhaps enterprise
focused but I think a lot of it is very worth reading.


On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Fred Jones <fredthejonester at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> I'm looking for a good CMS for a site for a bar/restaurant. ?Flavor
isn't a
>> big deal - can either be .NET or PHP. ?However, free/cheap is
important.
>>
>> Besides being easy to use, the two major "modules" that it needs is
to
>> manage events, and have a GOOD photo gallery. ?By "good", it would be
nice
>> to have the ability to upload multiple files at once. ?The ones I've
been
>> looking at have options such as "if you want to upload multiple
files, click
>> the add button and choose your new file." ?That won't work if you
have 100
>> photos from an event they want to publish.
>>
>> I've looked at several, but without installing and hunting down
modules, I
>> can't tell if they will do what I need. ?So if anyone knows of
something
>> that fits the bill, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> You will not find anything better than Drupal. Check out the home page
> RIGHT NOW to see the latest post that a top-60 site is migrating to
> Drupal. Get on the bandwagon dude. :)
>
> Fred, Drupal groupie
> --
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:18:21 -0700
From: Will <willthemoor at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [thelist] CMS Recommendations
To: todd at promisingsites.com, 	"thelist at lists.evolt.org"
	<thelist at lists.evolt.org>
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On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Todd Richards <todd at promisingsites.com>
wrote:
> By the way, has anyone used, or have feelings about ExpressionEngine?
?No,
> not free but very reasonable. ?And they supposedly can do what I'm
after.
> I've read good things about them but haven't talked with anyone
personally
> about it. ?And I haven't had time to personally download and set up...
>

Expression engine is pretty great. Lots of things are not obvious as
far as custom implementations go (at least it wasn't to me). I think
they agree as they've been working on a really huge overhaul for EE2.
I've stopped recommending it to clients until I get a chance to see
what they do there. Some things about it are just ridiculous to me for
production work. For instance, it hard codes paths into the DB - a lot
of them. Need to move from dev to production? Enjoy the pleasure of
running 15 find and replaces on your SQL. Normally work on dev and
push to prod? Enjoy that everytime.

EE1.6 is a great CMS with (I think) a few serious shortcoming but EE2
looks to be a total and complete win. I'm actually excited about CMS.
FML.


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