On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Sarah Adams <sarahwbs at gmail.com> wrote: > > Maybe it's me but they both seem woefully inadequate as web design apps. > I > > mean, they both work and obviously lots of people have done incredible > work > > with both (and fireworks) but they all lack web focus. No pre-flight for > > web, no concept of relative font sizes, no concept of the cascade, no > help > > with sprites, no notion of a hover state... fireworks gets pngs pretty > right > > but GIMP and PS fail pretty badly though cs4 is moving in the right > > direction. At least GIMP doesn't cost you a vacation to hawaii. > > Maybe I'm just being dense, but I'm really not sure what a lot of this > means. Why would a graphics editing program need to deal with relative > font-sizes? What on earth does it have to do with the cascade? (assuming > you mean the "cascading" part of CSS?) How do you propose it help with > sprites? Or with a hover state? Also, what's wrong with the way it > creates PNGs? > > I'm still somewhat of a PS newb, so feel free to educate me :) > > Well, that's just it - it's a great graphics editing program, not a great web designing program. If it were aware of the cascade and/or some sort of DOM, you could have things like link text, set a hover state for that link text and then have all other things set as link text display it's hover state - without creating 25 new layers. I dream of an design app where I set a base font size and then set the rest of my type based on that font size (illustrator may do this, not sure). When I'm finished, I click something like "prepare for web" and it generates a report that shows what all of my type sizes are in %s or EMs. This sort of stuff has existed for the offset print industry for years and PS is great at it (creating plates, font notes, registration marks....) - I just want to see the same level of detail in an app for the other place these documents end up: the web. The cascade is a bit of a dream where a layer folder has certain properties and the children of that folder inherit those properties. If you have a comp with 6 drop shadowed buttons, you make your buttons, add the layer fx and then copy and paste that effect to the other 5. Need to change it? do it 6 times. Flash has had the concept of library items and inheritance since 1945, it'd be cool to see it in a web design app. For sprite help, something like http://spriteme.org/ or http://spriteme.org/just built in. Made from layers or slices or whatever. PS's png compression has never been as good as http://optipng.sourceforge.net/ or http://pmt.sourceforge.net/pngcrush/Fireworks is better but I still get more smashing results from optipng. Ever try to paste a hex color into PS with the hash still on it? #ff0909? it's awesome, just says no (cs4) or cuts off the last character (cs3). annoys me every.single.time. I don't mean to detract from what photoshop is amazing it - editing photos. It's a remarkable bit of software. It's just not as web aware as I'd like. Sure, fireworks can do animated gifs but... ohai 1999. We need a modern web design application.