dan (or anybody else here who's able to take care of this), could you take a look at the following url and see about implementing it on t.e.o. and w.e.o.? http://www.orafaq.com/msgboard/tools/messages/2146.htm i need this done as i'll need the ability to generate random numbers from within oracle. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/