[thechat] Re: Name Game

[Sabrina Dent, Apperception]

Yow with the name thing. Y'all should go to my parents' house, where the
mailbox reads:

Smith (my mother)
Skolink (my stepfather)
Smith-Skolnik (their child, my half-sister)
Skolink-Smith (their business)
Dent (me, product of one of my mother's previous marriages)

As Jen points out, I do wonder what will happen when my sister, Ms.
Skolnik-Smith, marries Mr. Powell-Jones. The mind boggles with the
possibilities :o)

My other half laughs at my family's name game. He did NOT, however, think it
was funny when I told him I was thinking about keeping my own last name when
we get married. He's a closet traditionalist. And a public Tory. And a Leeds
supporter. And from Essex.

Wait... why are we getting married, again.... ??

<g>

--Bri
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>   1. Re: Foot and mouth (Marlene Bruce)
>   2. Re: Re: Foot and mouth (Elfur Logadottir)
>   3. Re: Re: Foot and mouth (Marlene Bruce)
>   4. Re: blizzard's a'coming. (Daniel J. Cody)
>   5. Re: blizzard's a'coming. (T.Abbey)
>   6. Re: blizzard's a'coming. (Bob Davis)
>   7. Re: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America (Abhay S.
Kushwaha)
>   8. Frivolity from a spam (Tony Crockford)
>   9. Re: Frivolity from a spam (Abhay S. Kushwaha)
>   10. RE: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America (Simon
Batistoni)
>   11. RE: moving to the UK - why? (Simon Batistoni)
>   12. Re: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America (T.Abbey)
>   13. Re: [Admin] chat archive? (Daniel J. Cody)
>   14. Re: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America (Judah McAuley)
>   15. RE: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America
(McCreath_David)
>   16. RE: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America (Judah McAuley)
>   17. RE: Name Game (Jay Turley)
>   18. RE: Name Game (Jen Worden)
>   19. RE: RE: Name Game (McCreath_David)
>   20. RE: RE: Name Game (Jen Worden)
>   21. Re: RE: Name Game (David Wagner)
>   22. RE: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America (David Wagner)
>   23. RE: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America (Jay Turley)
>   24. Re: RE: Name Game (T.Abbey)
>   25. Re: RE: Name Game (Judah McAuley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:25:27 -0500
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> From: Marlene Bruce <marlene at digitizethis.com>
> Subject: [thechat] Re: Foot and mouth
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> >Martin
> >          Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you might want to look
at
> >this article.
> >
>
>http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=human&Repository=HUMAN_REP&R
e
>
>positoryStoryID=%2Fnews%2FIDS%2FHuman%2F2001-03-02T151837Z_01_L02431819_RTR
I
> >DST_0_ODD-STPATRICK-DC.XML
>
>
> Woah, Kev, that's some URL you got there!
>
> I believe Martin's incommunicado right now, but I'm not sure. He was
> leaving for the airport when I last heard from him on Friday. He'll
> be here Tuesday, so if he doesn't report in before then, I'll make
> sure he gets on-line.
>
> BTW, Martin is Scottish!
>
> Marlene
>
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> Message: 2
> Reply-To: "Elfur Logadottir" <elfur at members.evolt.org>
> From: "Elfur Logadottir" <elfur at members.evolt.org>
> To: <thechat at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: Re: [thechat] Re: Foot and mouth
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 00:30:32 -0000
> Organization: evolt.org
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> From: "Marlene Bruce" <marlene at digitizethis.com>
>
>
> | BTW, Martin is Scottish!
>
> yeah, but he had reported earlier, that he intended to be
> there - in dublin on st. patrick's day
>
> elfur
>
>
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> Message: 3
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> <0fe201c0a50b$817118f0$40aefea9 at DWARFS>
> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:37:32 -0500
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> From: Marlene Bruce <marlene at digitizethis.com>
> Subject: Re: [thechat] Re: Foot and mouth
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> >| BTW, Martin is Scottish!
> >
> >yeah, but he had reported earlier, that he intended to be
> >there - in dublin on st. patrick's day
>
> Oh, I see! Bummer for him!
>
> Marlene
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 20:54:40 -0800
> From: "Daniel J. Cody" <djc at starkmedia.com>
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thechat] blizzard's a'coming.
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> I'll second that bob ;) i'd take an A6 over a SUV in 3 feeet of snow
> *anyday*
>
> Bob Davis wrote:
>
>
> > NB - I'll fricken drive to Austin if I have to.  Nothing stops a Quattro
> > with snow tires - nothing.
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 21:08:44 -0600
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> From: "T.Abbey" <Abbey at abbeyink.com>
> Subject: Re: [thechat] blizzard's a'coming.
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> oh boy, I'm watching weather now and my husband's supposed to fly /into/
> LaGuardia tomorrow. Oh well.
>
> Those that make it to Austin -- have fun!
>
> <TAbbey />
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 22:10:20 -0500
> Subject: Re: [thechat] blizzard's a'coming.
> From: Bob Davis <bobd at members.evolt.org>
> To: <thechat at lists.evolt.org>
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> on 3/4/01 10:08 PM, T.Abbey at Abbey at abbeyink.com wrote:
>
> > oh boy, I'm watching weather now and my husband's supposed to fly /into/
> > LaGuardia tomorrow. Oh well.
> >
>
> I just saw on the news that they are canceling flights at Logan already.
> Don't know what's happening there though.
>
> > Those that make it to Austin -- have fun!
>
> Thanks!
>
> bob
>
> --
>
> bob davis
> bobd at members.evolt.org
>
>
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> Message: 7
> From: "Abhay S. Kushwaha" <abhay at kushwaha.com>
> To: "The Chat [Evolt]" <thechat at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: Re: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:13:29 +0530
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> I thought anybody could change their name any time by giving a public
> statement to that effect and getting it sanctioned/attested or
> something like that from some govt. office.
>
> Uh! I'm outta depth here but there I'm pretty sure there IS a Law
> something on those lines *everywhere*. [shrug]
>
> [abhay]
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T.Abbey" <Abbey at abbeyink.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 5:16 AM
>
>
> > > My friend Lauren was over for a visit last night. She was
> > > recently  divorced. In the state of Virginia the ex-husband has
> > > to grant the ex-wife the right to revert back to her maiden name.
> > > Lauren's
> > > husband has declined her permission, so she's stuck with his
> > > name. Can't change it legally unless she remarries, no
> > > exceptions.
> >
> > That is outrageous!
> >
> > I once used someone else's name. When the time came to return to
> > being me, I took it.
> ...
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> To: <thechat at lists.evolt.org>
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:02:37 -0000
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> Subject: [thechat] Frivolity from a spam
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> <quote>
>
> please reply back to us and we will be sending you an
> agreement which is to be signed and emailed back to us
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> </quote>
>
> Should I sign the screen?
>
>
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> Message: 9
> From: "Abhay S. Kushwaha" <abhay at kushwaha.com>
> To: "The Chat [Evolt]" <thechat at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: Re: [thechat] Frivolity from a spam
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> No.
>
> [abhay]
> - -aka- [the man of few words]
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Crockford" <tonyc at boldfish.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 5:32 PM
>
>
> > <quote>
> >
> > please reply back to us and we will be sending you an
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> > </quote>
> >
> > Should I sign the screen?
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> Message: 10
> From: "Simon Batistoni" <simon at newmediawhore.com>
> To: <thechat at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: RE: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:55:59 -0800
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
>
> > I thought anybody could change their name any time by giving a public
> > statement to that effect and getting it sanctioned/attested or
> > something like that from some govt. office.
> >
> > Uh! I'm outta depth here but there I'm pretty sure there IS a Law
> > something on those lines *everywhere*. [shrug]
>
> There certainly is in the UK, and it can be used to great effect.
>
> I'm pretty sure this is a true story...
>
> "After being charged 20 pounds for a 10 pounds overdraft, 30 year old
> Michael Howard of Leeds changed his name by deed poll to "Yorkshire Bank
Plc
> are Fascist Bastards". The Bank has now asked him to close his account,
and
> Mr Bastards has asked them to repay the 69p balance by cheque, made out in
> his new name."
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: "Simon Batistoni" <simon at newmediawhore.com>
> To: <thechat at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: RE: [thechat] moving to the UK - why?
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:55:59 -0800
> charset="us-ascii"
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
>
> Dave Fitch wrote:
> > On 1/3/01, "Abhay S. Kushwaha" <abhay at kushwaha.com> said:
> >
> > >What is the RIP act?
> >
> > The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act.
> >
> > And  yes, wiretap includes monitoring your email at your ISP. Which
> > is why a number of people are moving mail servers to Ireland, where
> > they are remarkably more civilised about these sorts of things.
>
> What I'm not clear on is whether I'm supposed to attach our dedicated
email
> server, and our dedicated outbound SMTP relay (both of which are sitting
> under my desk) to one of the Government's black boxes. Am I breaking the
> law, or are they just hoping they'll grab my emails at the recipient
end...?
>
> > It is
> > also illegal to tell someone that they are being snooped upon,
> > hackers are now able to be prosecuted as terrorists, etc. etc..
>
> Yep, except this last one is in a separate bill - The Terrorism Act 2000,
> which became law last week. Of course, given (probably) the Real IRA's
> decision to leave an explosive-filled taxi outside the BBC on Saturday
> night, we'll no doubt be subjected to plenty of rhetoric in the coming
weeks
> about how lucky we are that we're all protected by these new laws. I
imagine
> most of this drivel will be spewed forth by Big Brother himself, our home
> secretary Jack Straw.
>
> Me, I'm working hard on making my millions asap, so I can go and live
> somewhere a little less totalitarian before they close the borders, and
> start forcing us to pray to giant effigies of Tony and Jack five times a
> day.
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:19:17 -0600
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> From: "T.Abbey" <Abbey at abbeyink.com>
> Subject: Re: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America
> <20010301230727.4A21CCA4 at relay.evolt.org>
> <4.2.0.58.20010303174255.009adb90 at mail.abbeyink.com>
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> At 01:13 PM 3/5/01 +0530, you wrote:
> >I thought anybody could change their name any time by giving a public
> >statement to that effect and getting it sanctioned/attested or
> >something like that from some govt. office.
>
>  From what I know, which isn't much, yes. You can change your name three
> ways in the US.
>
> 1) petition a court to have the name changed -- generally along the lines
> of an adoption
> 2) get married and, in Illinois, they automatically hand the female the
> Social Security form to change her name.
> 3) call up the local Social Security administration office and read the
> riot act until they realize I wanted /my/ name back and since the SS was
> originally under *Abbey* they grudgingly allowed me to change it back --
> for free, no court, no judge, no attorney, although they did ask for a
copy
> of the divorce paper right before they admitted they didn't need it.
>
> I was given an option to change my name as part of the divorce proceedings
> -- I don't know why I didn't take it, maybe there was an attorney fee or
> something, I don't remember. Perhaps this is the situation in Virginia? If
> you try to revert to the name you were born with through a state court,
the
> state laws take precedence and the state can write any law it wants and
> then enforce it as it sees fit as well as forget the law even exists.
>
> That was my experience anyway.
> <TAbbey />
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:26:08 -0600
> From: "Daniel J. Cody" <djc at starkmedia.com>
> To: admin at lists.evolt.org, thechat at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thechat] Re: [Admin] chat archive?
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> FYI - I just set this up.. Martin, when you get back from autsin, you
> may want to change the settings to weekly archives..
>
> http://lists.evolt.org/thechatarchive/
>
> .djc.
>
> Emily Christensen wrote:
>
> > Is there an archive for thechat?
> >
> > And: So, what's the weather in Austin like in early March?
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:59:23 -0800
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> From: Judah McAuley <judah at alphashop.com>
> Subject: Re: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America
> <20010301230727.4A21CCA4 at relay.evolt.org>
> <20010301230727.4A21CCA4 at relay.evolt.org>
> <4.2.0.58.20010303174255.009adb90 at mail.abbeyink.com>
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> At 08:19 AM 3/5/2001, you wrote:
>
> > From what I know, which isn't much, yes. You can change your name three
> > ways in the US.
> >
> >1) petition a court to have the name changed -- generally along the lines
> >of an adoption
> >2) get married and, in Illinois, they automatically hand the female the
> >Social Security form to change her name.
> >3) call up the local Social Security administration office and read the
> >riot act until they realize I wanted /my/ name back and since the SS was
> >originally under *Abbey* they grudgingly allowed me to change it back --
> >for free, no court, no judge, no attorney, although they did ask for a
> >copy of the divorce paper right before they admitted they didn't need it.
>
> I took my wife's last name when I got married three years ago.  Most of it
> went pretty easily ( I love filling out "Maiden Name"), but the process
did
> confuse several people along the way.  In Oregon, they basically treated
> the situation just as if I was a woman getting married.  Getting married
> here entitles you to legally change your name without a court order.  I
> just had to fill out a request for a new social security card, then I
> showed my marriage certificate to the DMV to get a new drivers
> license.  After those two things were changed, I haven't had any
> problems.  Except with student loans, where they don't seem to understand
> that I can change my name.  But I don't expect much intelligence out of
them.
>
> Judah McAuley (formerly Judah Eckenberg, formerly Judah Hammond)
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> From: McCreath_David <McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us>
> To: "'thechat at lists.evolt.org'" <thechat at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: RE: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:06:21 -0900
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Judah McAuley
> >I took my wife's last name when I got married three years ago.
>
> Cool! I considered doing that, too, Judah. Still might do it if we decide
> one family name is important when it's time for kids. David Atkinson
sounds
> just as good as David McCreath to me.
>
> Anybody who knows me has heard me spout the statistic (which I can't
> support, but read somewhere reputable) that only 10% of American women
keep
> their own last name when they get married. It shocked both of us when we
> heard it because almost all of our married friends had each kept their own
> names. We thought it was a generational thing. Who knew!
>
> David
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:31:47 -0800
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> From: Judah McAuley <judah at alphashop.com>
> Subject: RE: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> At 10:06 AM 3/5/2001, you wrote:
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Judah McAuley
> > >I took my wife's last name when I got married three years ago.
> >
> >Cool! I considered doing that, too, Judah. Still might do it if we decide
> >one family name is important when it's time for kids. David Atkinson
sounds
> >just as good as David McCreath to me.
>
> Yeah, I did it largely for aesthetic reasons.  Judah Michael McAuley
sounds
> much better than Jocelyn Olivia Eckenberg.  Besides, I didn't particularly
> like the Eckenberg clan and I enjoy small acts of social rebellion that
> confuse people.
>
> Judah
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:38:56 -0500
> From: "Jay Turley" <jay at weberrific.org>
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> Reply-To: jay at weberrific.org
> Subject: [thechat] RE: Name Game
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> My wife and I had a big long discussion about this when we got married.
SHe
> thought about keeping her name; we talked about me taking her name; we
> talked about her taking my name; and we talked about her hyphenating he
> last name. Heck , we even talked about making up a new last name...
>
> The point we came up with is that when you get married, it has nothing to
> do with who is supposedly who's property or chattel. Instead, that taking
> of the last name of your husband or wife symbolizes (at least for us) the
> desire to create a new family unit, cleaving only to each other, forsaking
> all others, and the same last name symbolizes it. The same thing applies
to
> the wearing of wedding rings. I don't wear mine because my wife owns me,
> and she doesn't wear hers because she is my property. Instead, we wear
them
> because it is a sign of respect for each other and respect for the union
> and relationship that we have created together.
>
> I think that a lot of people get hung up on the taking of last names. I
> knew when we started talking about it that the idea that she would keep
her
> own last name made me really mad, but I didn't know why until we had
really
> discussed it in depth. I don't think it matters who takes who's name, but
> the fact that you do it seems to me to be indicating your desire for a
long-
> term commitment. With divorce such a easy way out these days, it seems
that
> hardly anybody is willing to commit all the way, especially when the
> marriage gets to the "worse" as opposed to the "better".
>
> Uhm, yea... anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts on the whole last
> name thing. But the fact that a divorced woman is not allowed to change
her
> last name is fricken' ridiculous. That perpetuates the whole property myth
> that isn't even what marriage is all about! Arghh!!
>
> Peace, y'all.
>
> - Jay Turley ---------------------------------------------------------
>   http://www.weberrific.org
>  "Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology"
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:50:08 -0400
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> From: Jen Worden <jen at meadoworks.com>
> Subject: [thechat] RE: Name Game
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> At 09:06 AM 3/5/01 -0900, McCreath_David wrote:
> >Cool! I considered doing that, too, Judah. Still might do it if we decide
> >one family name is important when it's time for kids. David Atkinson
sounds
> >just as good as David McCreath to me.
>
> Of course you could further confuse the issue by changing the *kids* name
> like we did.
>
> Jen Worden + Tom Rogers = Child Worden-Rogers
>
>
> cfn ... Jen
> Jen Worden - Web Developer
> meadoworks - http://www.meadoworks.com
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 19
> From: McCreath_David <McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us>
> To: "'thechat at lists.evolt.org'" <thechat at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: RE: [thechat] RE: Name Game
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:55:44 -0900
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jen Worden
> >
> >Of course you could further confuse the issue by changing the
> >*kids* name
> >like we did.
> >
> > Jen Worden + Tom Rogers = Child Worden-Rogers
>
>
> Yeah, we thought about hyphenating our names, but we both have enough
> trouble getting our own last names spelled correctly. We didn't want to
open
> the double can of worms, too. :) I dunno how we're going to handle the
> enventual kids' names, but I think we'll probably settle on one last name
or
> the other for simplicity's sake.
>
> We new a couple a few years ago who tacked each other's last name onto
their
> own. She became:
>
>    herfirstname herlastname-hislastname
>
> and he became
>
>    hisfirstname hislastname-herlastname
>
> They both had longish last names to begin, and the last names were
> alliterative, so it was kind of silly. The sort of thing you expect to see
> in a New Yorker short story.
>
> David
>
>
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:12:45 -0400
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> From: Jen Worden <jen at meadoworks.com>
> Subject: RE: [thechat] RE: Name Game
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> At 09:55 AM 3/5/01 -0900, McCreath_David wrote:
> >Yeah, we thought about hyphenating our names, but we both have enough
> >trouble getting our own last names spelled correctly. We didn't want to
open
> >the double can of worms, too. :) I dunno how we're going to handle the
> >enventual kids' names, but I think we'll probably settle on one last name
or
> >the other for simplicity's sake.
>
> Oh. *We* didn't change our names. Just the kids. In larger centers, people
> don't even bat an eye but here in Hinterland Who's Who, folks get mighty
> confused!
>
> My rationale was based on the fact that our branch of "Worden" was going
to
> die out if I didn't do something as I'm the only one that had children. It
> made sense to me at the time, a dewy-eyed 20 year old, anyway.
>
> And yes, I've heard "Well what happens when your son  marries a dual name?
> Are they really going to call their kids 'Worden-Rogers-Jones-Smith?! To
> which I generally reply, "No my problem." ;)
>
> cfn ... Jen
>
>
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:50:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: David Wagner <dave at worlddomination.net>
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thechat] RE: Name Game
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
>
> > My wife and I had a big long discussion about this when we got married.
SHe
> > thought about keeping her name; we talked about me taking her name; we
> > talked about her taking my name; and we talked about her hyphenating he
> > last name. Heck , we even talked about making up a new last name...
>
> ...Which reminds me of my favorite name solution of all time. A friend of
> mine has the last name "Townesmith"; after getting married, one parent
> kept the last name "Townes", the other kept "Smith", and they decided that
> they didn't much like hyphens, so the kids got a new name.
>
> --
>
> David Wagner
> dave at worlddomination.net
>
>
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>
> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:52:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: David Wagner <dave at worlddomination.net>
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Simon Batistoni wrote:
>
> > There certainly is in the UK, and it can be used to great effect.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure this is a true story...
> >
> > "After being charged 20 pounds for a 10 pounds overdraft, 30 year old
> > Michael Howard of Leeds changed his name by deed poll to "Yorkshire Bank
Plc
> > are Fascist Bastards". The Bank has now asked him to close his account,
and
> > Mr Bastards has asked them to repay the 69p balance by cheque, made out
in
> > his new name."
>
> And a good one it is!
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,3926244,00.html
>
> --
>
> David Wagner
> dave at worlddomination.net
>
>
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>
> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:00:40 -0500
> From: "Jay Turley" <jay at weberrific.org>
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> Reply-To: jay at weberrific.org
> Subject: RE: Name Game (was: Re: [thechat] Driving in America
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> Thank you David :)
>
> > And a good one it is!
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,3926244,00.html
> > David Wagner
>
> - Jay Turley ---------------------------------------------------------
>   http://www.weberrific.org
>  "Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology"
>
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>
> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 18:34:36 -0600
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> From: "T.Abbey" <Abbey at abbeyink.com>
> Subject: Re: [thechat] RE: Name Game
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> At 01:38 PM 3/5/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >The point we came up with is that when you get married, it has nothing to
> >do with who is supposedly who's property or chattel. Instead, that taking
> >of the last name of your husband or wife symbolizes (at least for us) the
> >desire to create a new family unit, cleaving only to each other,
forsaking
> >all others, and the same last name symbolizes it. The same thing applies
to
> >the wearing of wedding rings. I don't wear mine because my wife owns me,
> >and she doesn't wear hers because she is my property. Instead, we wear
them
> >because it is a sign of respect for each other and respect for the union
> >and relationship that we have created together.
>
> You do bring up some good points. My 4-year-old has the last name White
and
> I have to call the school and identify myself as Tamara Abbey, Alex
White's
> mom. Altho, with continuing the family name, maybe I should have
considered
> Abbey for him? My brother sure isn't producing. Or, at least not that we
> know of. So, I'm obviously not a tried-and-true feminist, I just want to
be
> me and I believe I /am/ better with my current husband -- I mean, he's put
> up with me for 10 years and that really is something. 8-)
>
> But, my college diploma has my ex-husband's name. That still stings. /I/
> earned that sucker and /my/ name should be on that. The one that noted
> about the student loans -- no, that thing is carved in stone since you
> originally signed it with the other name. And, that would be true of any
> loan -- once signed, they gotcha.
>
> Also, I come from a small town where people frequently talk about you
know,
> Susie, she used to be a _____
>
> That part makes me cringe -- used to be?? What is that anyway? Has this
> person been reincarnated?
>
> I wish there was a more graceful way to handle the situation. But for now,
> I need to go buy a new domain so the little guy can have an e-mail address
> at something /other/ than AbbeyInk since he's not exactly an Abbey (he
just
> acts like one!).
>
> <Tabbey />
>
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>
> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:49:05 -0800
> To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
> From: Judah McAuley <judah at alphashop.com>
> Subject: Re: [thechat] RE: Name Game
> Reply-To: thechat at lists.evolt.org
>
> At 06:34 PM 3/5/01 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >But, my college diploma has my ex-husband's name. That still stings. /I/
> >earned that sucker and /my/ name should be on that. The one that noted
> >about the student loans -- no, that thing is carved in stone since you
> >originally signed it with the other name. And, that would be true of any
> >loan -- once signed, they gotcha.
>
> Maybe I'm more of a feminist than you, but my take is that it's never been
> *his* name, its always been yours.  Every class you took, every paper you
> wrote, every hour of sleep you missed was all under that name.  If that
> sort of work doesn't make the name yours, then I don't know what does.
I'm
> on my third last name now.  It may or may not be my last.  Who knows?
Name
> changes may have been a marker in my life, but they certainly do not mean
> that one life was over and another one started.  Near as I can tell, I've
> only got one life and everything in it is accumulative.  And I just have
to
> deal with it the best I can.
>
> My $.02 (no sales tax since I'm in Oregon)
>
> Judah
>
>
>
>
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