[thechat] Jedi Knight now an official religion in the UK...

spinhead evolt at spinhead.com
Tue Oct 9 09:37:12 CDT 2001

Interesting comments, Jesus. Just a technical point which many ostensibly
Christian folks miss: faith, as defined in the Bible, is based on evidence
("the evident demonstration of realities, though not beheld" is how Paul
worded it.) Believing something without evidence is credulity, not faith.
That said, though, you're absolutely correct that the existence of God can't
be proven empirically; I frequently point out that it can only be deduced
from the evidence.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesus G. Gorriti" <Jesus.Gorriti at iconmedialab.es>
To: <thechat at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:48 AM
Subject: RE: [thechat] Jedi Knight now an official religion in the UK...

> > What? With a name like Jesus? <shock> :O
> I know I know :) every time I go to a foreign
> country I get weird looks at me. :)
> > I'm an atheist too, but some people are agnostic. The
> > agnostic accepts the
> > possibility that god exists, but believes that it is
> > impossible to verify it.
> Used to be agnostic. Not anymore.
> Bruce wrote:
> > heh, I just love semantics ;0
> I don't. Specially when speaking english.
> Bloody language of yours.
> > I suppose so... but the real issue for me is that scientific method and
> > western religion have a basic and mutually exclusive conflict. Western
> > religions state that the existance of God is to be taken on faith and
> > the scientific method says that only that which can be proved to exist,
> > or can be shown to have a preponderance of evidence indicating it's
> > existence, can be said to actually exist.
> An old teacher of mine (thermodinamics) explained the
> existance of god through the maximum entropy concept.
> I stopped listening in the moment he used "faith" as part of his
> explanation. :)
> And, from my point of view, the issue is not which religion you are
> but which are the rules that guide your life. That is: I may be
> atheist, but my morals are christian. Which, at the end, are just
> based in the "show respect for eveyone else" rule.
> Blah. Is too damn early.
> /Jesús

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