9px Verdana and not enough contrast with the background. I can still give you a few years, Bob :-). Cheers. Freda >Hmmm.....well, I'm certainly no spring chicken at 34.... > >It could just be a set-up thing. I haven't looked at their style sheet >though. > >You'd think that they'd be a little more savvy though...it being a >"clueless clients" thread and all.