here's another really funny t-shirt that it uses sql is a mere coincidence ;o) > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0 0 rows returned http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/595d.shtml HAT TIP: Ben Dyer's "Radical Bender" blog on members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/OKolzig37/beta/index.php oh, and speaking of "will code for xxx," how does $10,000 and a VIP trip to San Fran sound? http://www.google.com/programming-contest/ interesting that they suggest "Detecting pages that are near-duplicates of one another" as a possible application -- i'd heard that SEs penalize for that, but i guess they're not quite there yet, or at least google isn't... rudy