rudy wrote: > here's that you-are-ell you wanted, david > > The GIF Pronunciation Page > http://skizzers.org/andy/stuff/gif/gif.html Thank why-oh-ewe, Rudy. That "inventor" can say whatever craziness he wants, and will no longer look at people who say "jif" (cue M. Python references) like they're silly, but I refuse to change. It's short for "graphic", and I shall use a hard "g" accordinjly. Now I will stop making Joe and the baby Jesus cry. David PS -- Joe, Judea is pronounced "Judy! AHH!" as in "I've just seen Liza's mother and now I may sigh contentedly."