not to toot my own horn unduly, but i mentioned kartoo three weeks ago -- http://lists.evolt.org/thechatarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020506/3608959.html i wish i could say i found it completely on my own, but i saw it mentioned in the daily lockergnome daypop seems only to have noticed it this week, though rudy p.s. eric's fine, still on intravenous antibiotics -- no food or drink -- and the tube through his nose draining his stomach is a nuisance, but his main complaint is that daytime tv is boring...