janet, could you please wrap your posts too? ta very much your last one was just two loo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oong lines -- http://lists.evolt.org/thechatarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020708/3611318.html rudy my rant -- http://lists.evolt.org/thechatarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020701/3611036.html ron's reply -- http://lists.evolt.org/thechatarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020701/3611048.html