nice thread! thechat rocks! ....i do not follow any kind of strict diet as you mention, my weight is ok, i have a mild 'life saver' around my waist that i could get rid of, but i'm actually more interested in caring about my long term health than my current weight (69k / 184lb rings the eat less alarm for me - my height is 1.73m / 5.6ft), and strengthening my abdomen to keep the organs in place (and the rest of the body of course). that belly that normally grows in men is produced whan the abdominal muscles give, and the organs fall out of their normal position. i agree that excersise is fundamental, i walk quite some blocks every day to the bus, and i'm frustrated that i don't ride my bicycle as much as i'd want to. riding a bike on the streets of Santiago is a suicidal act :( streets are bad and driver's don't have the culture of expecting to see a biker on the street, they even do naughty signs at you and lean their cars TOWARDS you. Have any of you heard about hygienism? i couldn't find any resource on the web, i guess i didn't know the right place to look for it. i'm considering to follow a hygienist diet, or at least get closer to one. hygienism is about keeping a diet to strenghten you body. is starts by explaining that we are physiologically fruit eaters*, and whatever naughty thing you eat forces your body to produce more defenses. if you keep your blood stream clean, 'your body will work like a clock for years, only untill it runs out of energy' and you'll never get sick. this discipline has cured people from all kinds of diseases (cancer included). a hygienist diet does not have red meat, but a vegetarian diet can also be nocive. fried stuff is poison. i really don't know much about this stuff, but i really want to learn more about it. keeping a good weight is only a side effect of a hygienist lifestyle, the plan is to be healthy all around and keep diseases away for good. i found out about this when i met the only certified specialist in my country, it is a medical discipline (yes it's science) in a course we shared. he's the only practitioner i know of, but he learned all about it and got his certification in the US. * carnivores have shorter intenstines, when they eat they absorbe protein quickly and drop teh rest fast. when we eat meat, it soons starts to decompose inside our body. plantivores(sp?) have much longer intestines, ours are not long enough to get the best out of vegetables. i learned this when i was studying advertising, and was working on a campaign to reduce meat consumption. so when i heard this hygienism things starts on the same principle, it made perfect sense to me.