> I have to agree there. My pastor is fond of saying that if you > want to talk to a hungry man about God, first give him food. If > you want to talk to a thirsty man, first give him water. THEN > you can talk to him about God. Providing food and water for the hungry and thirsty makes them appreciative, and allows them to concentrate on your sales pitch - which is why the time-share salesman gives you coffee and donuts before he begins his sales pitch. But if that's why you do it, it's a piss-poor religion. You provide food and water for the hungry and thirsty because it's the right thing to do. > People like this give the rest of us a bad name. But I can say the same thing about your pastor - assuming you've presented him fairly. If someone has a flat tire, do they automatically need a valve job? Then why assume that someone who has physical needs - food, water, shelter - is lacking spiritually as well? Do we assume that Merv Griffin is holier than Mother Teresa was, because he has more wealth? If your religion is good enough, you don't have to sell it like Amway. You can simply be a Coke machine. Live your religion. If it serves you well, people will notice your glow. People will punch your buttons to the make a purchase, and that's when you deliver the product. deke -- RIP Adam Osborne, 1939-2003 And 23 pounds of thanks!