At 07:31 20/10/2003 -0400, rudy wrote: >jerome's post was a bit of a troll, wasn't it And then: >perhaps the difference is, conservatives want to use government to hold on >to what is theirs, while liberals want to use government to give them what >isn't Dude. I'd like you to meet my friend Kettle. I'm reasonably certain I'm a liberal - I don't think Sabrina and I would argue over much politically anyway - but I've never signed for the dole, or any other benefit in my life*. I want to to be available for those that need it, though. It's not so much wanting what I haven't got, as thinking that it's reasonable in this day and age to provide a decent standard of living for everyone. If someone's working, they're going to have a better standard, but if they can't, for whatever reason, they shouldn't be on the streets. Drew. * - Well, my folks got children's allowance for me. But everyone in the country gets that, automatically.