On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Alan McCoy wrote: > This is the way we've done it for years in my family and it's always > fantasmagorical! There's some good recipes out there, but the really > good > ones will at the very least have onion, carrots, and potatoes. I've combined your suggestion with my mom's and a recipe from the Internet. My favorite part of the meal when my mom does it are the onions and potatoes, but don't care for cooked carrots, so I went heavy on the onions and put two stalks of celery in there too. I rarely cook beef; I had intended to get a ham shoulder for split pea soup, but they didn't have any where I went shopping so got that roast ... my mom said, "Oh your apartment will smell so good!" after she explained how she did it.