[thechat] outburst

deacon web at master.gen.in.us
Fri Jan 21 22:21:02 CST 2005

On 21 Jan 2005 at 19:53, William Anderson wrote:
> > Of the female jobs, how many of them require constant heavy 
> > exertion? None of them. (Nursing requires turning a body once in a 
> > while, but not constantly.)
> Clearly you've never worked in a nursing environment, and "female jobs"?
> Many male nurses would take dispute with your sweeping generalisation of
> their career path.

> What the hell are these "female jobs" you're alluding to?  I will wager
> there are few jobs left that are solely the preserve of women to hold them,
> and of those there will still be some that could conceivably present a
> danger to life in the right (or wrong, I suppose) circumstances.

Not mine - Tara found top-ten lists for male and female jobs, then 
eliminated the duplicates. They were 

Secretaries, typists, stenographers ($33,071. - Level II Administrative
Assistant) Bookkeepers ($32,489) Registered Nurses ($55,270) 
school teachers ($45,221) Nursing Aides, orderlies, attendants 
($22,196 -
Nursing assistant) Bookkeeping, Accounting, auditing ($32,489) 
($17,974 - Room Service Server - Casino) Receptionists ($25,653)


Truck drivers ($33,848 - heavy truck driver)
Janitors and cleaners ($22,650)
Carpenters ($39,475 - level two carpenter)
Computer systems analysts and scientists ($61,741  Applications 
Analyst II) Laborers, not construction ($25,229) Sales representatives,
not retail  ($64,912 Sales Representative II) Construction laborers
(Helper- Brick and Stone Mason $23,936) Auto mechanics ($38,698)

I didn't include the lists she came up with because I didn't see any 
reason to dispute that those were the unshared occupations in each 
gender's "top ten".

Is nursing a female job? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 
it's 92.9% female. http://www.bls.gov/cps/wlf-tables11.pdf  I know 
some male nurses, and my late wife, an RN, told me they were good, 
but they're still statistical outliers. 

Do RNs work hard? Yes. And it's stressful, knowing that a error in 
passing meds or charting can have serious consequences. On the 
other hand, when she moves something heavy, she's normally using a 
cart with casters, and she's normally working on a smooth floor. I'd 
guess an average truckstop waitress probably expends 50% more 
calories per hour than the average RN. But that's not hard labor, 
either. Carrying a 94-pound bag of cement or a hod of mortar over 
uneven ground - another one of Tara's top ten jobs - is heavy labor.
> > Of the female jobs, how many typically require you to be away from 
> > home overnight? None of them.
> Fucking hell mate, you need a slap but hard.  Or do nurses, who you seem to
> characterise as a 'women-only' career, not work night shifts where you are?
>  My mother has worked as a mental health nurse for the last 30-odd years,
> and night shift for around 25 of those.  Explain that, chauvinist-boy.

Most people who work night shift experience problems with sleep if the 
rest of the family is on a different shift, and there often is some social 
isolation. But at least you aren't away from home, and you have the 
comfort of familiar surroundings, your books and records, your piano 
and garden, your cat or dog. 

Typically someone who is regularly away from home overnight also has 
sleep problems from being in a strange bed and suffers considerably 
more social isolation than the average night shift worker. They cannot 
even find there favorite TV programs, because they are on different 
places on the dial in different cities. 



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