Luther, Ron wrote: > IIRC, the seams on the housing were even cheesier than on the 8". Lots > of nice gaps to gather dust. Heck, smoke too! This was back when folks > could smoke at their desks Yeah, those were the days :-) > Ah! Gotcha! The 12" drive I came across was on a machine I was using > as a dumb terminal in the early 80s. I have no idea who the > manufacturer was. (My guess would be Western Electric, but that's only > because most of the dumb terminals at the phone company where I was > working were made 'internally' at Western.) Ah, if we're talking about "the phone company", all bets are off -- $DEITY only knows what kind of wierd proprietary stuff they've done over the years (eons!). > * There was a machine with dual 8" floppy drives. I *think* that one > had an acoustic modem ... That awful black suction-cuppy thing you tried > to get the telephone handset to stick into? Oh, man. I used to maintain the telecom testing boxes for the IBM field engineering office in San Francisco. And there were still businesses using dial-up with acoustic modems then. Since there were no modular phone jacks, the only alternative was to hook the modem wires directly to the AT&T-supplied termination point on the wall. I had to give the customer a screwdriver and tell him or her which wire went where, because I wasn't allowed to touch AT&T equipment. Some customers were just too freaked to mess with it. All you youngsters probably have a hard time believing that :-) > * And there was one machine with a 12" floppy drive. Don't remember > much about it. I think it had a matte black 'pebbly' finish That certainly says "old" -- but I can guarantee that I *never* saw any IBM equipment with a floppy drive from that design era; boxes were all very clean/euro-industrial by the early/mid 70s. But look for the floppy stash -- we want confirmation! -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code.