garret, that was you working on it, right? what's the status? or is my temporary hiatus making me miss that (still got friends in town, no time for major email reading, just quick scanning)? matt's got a good point in his comment here: http://members.evolt.org/djc/stdio/index.cfm/daddy/show/mommy/1 21#comment once we have a policy, all this is moot, and inconsistencies in how things happen now, ostensibly, go away... assuming we all follow them, whomever the ops may be as we roll more people into that roll...