Martin wrote: > > On Wednesday, May 8, 2002, at 07:05 pm, Michele Foster wrote: > >> First of all, ALL of Admin used to have the task to administer thelist. > > > Sorry, Michele. Not the case. Only nominated individuals - Dan > plus those he chose to share it with. If you had access it wasn't > by right of your general admin access. I would have to reinforce Michelle's statement that all of admin list members used to have access and be able to handle the tasks of email management. If I remember correctly, only after the priv levels were introduced in version ???, did that change and become an invitation only with approval of the admin group. Your statement of "Dan plus those he chose to share it with" is a bit inaccurate also. That has been repeated so many times in past posts it is accepted as the truth by some. Read the archives for the reality of it all. We must be cautious of momentum in the wrong direction. It can be much more disastrous than simply wandering in the wrong direction. > > And I really do think the numerous posts today have emphasised > > 1) This is not a question of what other capabilities have been > developed - which are many and wonderful - but of *using* > one of them which was already there. So claiming all the other > features is an entirely different issue > http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/irrelev.htm > > 2) As Seb said, "it is *not* a technical decision to implement them. > When something like that affects literally thousands of people, then it > has > to be the informed decision of the entire community." When members of > a list request the implementation of a feature, how can a list admin > argue? Every list which has been allowed to express a preference has > unanimously or nearly (when thesite talked about it in Feb there were > 2 objections) demanded it. *That's* why it's the right answer - it's not > an a priori "subscribers-only is right" answer, it's a "the community > wants it" answer. Again, it's an irrelevant conclusion > I agree that if the users choose it, with good understanding of the results and implications, then yes it should be implemented. Did this ever go out to thelist for vote or feedback? While I agree that closing our lists to spam is very important, have we just gone against what we say we should be doing? Ron D.