I have a few proposals after reading all the posts of the last couple of weeks and thinking a lot. This is a long one, but stay with it please. Both proposed fundraising projects would be long term monthly revenue as opposed to occasional calls for donations or drives for a specific purpose. One of these projects has been discussed and had considerable work already done. The second is a new idea that has not seen much discussion yet. Either of these projects has the potential to fund hosting on it's own. Operating both and launching quickly could easily cover all costs by the time we have to move the servers. By all costs, I mean hosting costs, shipping/delivery costs, new box, backup/replacement parts, spare backup box, technical support and some I haven't mentioned. We do have to be aware of, and plan for, all aspects of running and maintaining a large, always up operation. 1) Fundraising. We need some cash flow and the following two projects could accomplish this quickly. 1.a) TagWear, evolt.org branded clothing, sports wear, computing accessories, etc. Last week during talk about the wiki, I offered that my company, CSI, Inc., had a Linux workstation not being used that could be rebuilt as a server for zope/wiki to allow us more control and customization of our wiki system. ** CSI can also put phpShop on that server and quickly create a site for TagWear. ** CSI has a module for phpShop that provides zone shipping for UPS, Fed-Ex and USPS without using the InterShipper site/system. CSI has another module for it that process payments via AuthorizeNet and/or CyberCash(Verisign) and/or PayPal. CSI has put 3 sites together using this package in the past month. We can make the TagWear site happen pretty quickly. I have also talked with the owner of the company that did the shirts for us the last time and they are interested in moving forward with this project. They already have the "tag" screens, logo screens (there are opinions that the logo screen needs improving) and the logo embroidery, which evolt.org has not used yet. I think we can get TagWear up and running within a couple weeks and generate some profit from it, especially with all the php folks we have now and the work already done on it. I added to the wiki about this at http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/TagWear. 1.b) A couple of weeks ago someone posted about finding an affiliate hosting program. CSI has been working on getting things together to offer reseller hosting programs and is ready to launch within a week. An affiliate program with evolt.org would fit in with this very well. For example, any evolt.org member (registered list or site member) that hosted with CSI (personal and/or commercial sites), CSI would pay a percentage (I am thinking around 10%) of the fees to evolt.org. Page on wiki at http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/AffiliateHosting. 2) Hosting. evolt.org needs a place to park our servers and a plan to get them moved. I offer the following option. CSI can and will colocate/host evolt.org. While I wish I could do it for no cost as Dan has, it is not within my capability right now. CSI can do it very reasonably and donate some of the expense to evolt.org. We could keep all sites and lists as they are now, only needing to get a box together for meo and re-locate the boxes (and generate cash of course). CSI has people that can put a box together if we get parts donated instead of cash, or a combination of both. 3) Moving. We have basically two options for moving, here or anywhere. 3.a) No down-time move. This requires more planning, coordination and a few tasks not needed in a down-time move. We have enough capacity here to move some things (all right now) to our servers and keep them running while we move the boxes. We should have to resync data when the evolt.org boxes arrive here and then resume service off the evolt.org boxes again. The amount of services that could be moved here temporarily will depend on how much hosting comes into CSI between now and the move. We might be able to do it all at once, or we might have to do it a box at time. 3.b) Down-time move. This would require announcing a day or two of downtime, doing backups, shutting down, moving, starting and testing, then serving off the evolt.org boxes. I have done both types of moves and prefer the down-time move if possible. I have experienced much less problems and surprises with the down-time method. Our biggest issue is getting the boxes from Wisconsin to Virginia. Matt offered to do some hauling, but don't know if he would be willing to haul to Virginia. I did a check at http://www.mapsonus.com/ for the drive from Milwaukee, WI to Altavista, VA. It says 834 miles, 17 hours and 30 turns. I can say that anyone that does deliver boxes will have lodging and food taken care of at this end. Our other option of course is shipping. 1.b & 2 support information) CSI currently has two T1's in place with two more in the wings. CSI also has an OC-12 fiber with multiplexing for multiple providers planned and waiting for growth (vendors are already in the loop and waiting for go signal). First hop from CSI's primary router is the Washington DC NAP with two separate providers (Cable & Wireless and Sprint Data Services) for redundancy if one fails. The two T1's in the wings and the fiber are planned and staged for growth. The local CO is about 200 feet out CSI's back door and most of the cable to them is under ground. This provides a pretty safe link in the (usually) weakest part of the connection chain. From the local CO, the circuits run different paths so the the possibility of a cable cut bringing CSI down is minimized. CSI ran new 3 phase, commercial grade power to the part of the building CSI is in and has a 7.5KVA UPS with power conditioning and battery power for about 6 - 8 hours of backup power. CSI is also wired for a generator with auto-switching at power outage and is looking for a good deal on a generator for extended power outages. CSI experienced only 4 hours of downtime in 3 years and no longer uses the provider that caused the problem. We had a direct lightening strike on our building 2 weeks ago during a storm and did not go down even though the entire city block was without power for about 4 hours. The strike fried the compressors and fan motors in the air handling system for the rest of the building, but none of our equipment was damaged. CSI has good electrical systems in place. CSI's goal is 100% uptime and we are very close to providing it. CSI has RH Linux and Win2K Pro servers with lots of room for expansion. CSI a solid host that provides something many don't, person to person support in addition to email and on-line support. I have also talked with a few people this past week about financing (if needed) for expanding CSI's services. I have been told by more than one of them, that if CSI generates enough business to require expansion (currently at 10-12% of capacity) the needed cash would be available. I provide the above information so that all members can see that CSI, Inc. is serious about being a good hosting service and that we are not offering a short term option, but a good home for evolt.org. Ron D.