[Theforum] [DesDev] RE: [Content] Article cleanup issue

Matt Liotta mliotta at r337.com
Tue Jul 23 12:30:13 CDT 2002

Sorry I'm late to the party, but I only recently became aware of the
issues affecting Evolt. Anyway, it appears as though a technical issue
is attempting to drive a business issue. That is a performance problem
is leading people to think about changing how content is presented to
the user. IMHO, this seems like the wrong way to go. How content is
presented to the user should have nothing to do with how it is
technically implemented and/or any problems with that implementation.

With that being said, the performance problem obviously needs to be
fixed. Again, sorry for being late, but I am sure that a technical
solution is available and would be happy to suggest one once I
understand the nature of the problem.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforum-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:theforum-
> admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of John Handelaar
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:28 AM
> To: theforum at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [Theforum] [DesDev] RE: [Content] Article cleanup issue
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: theforum-admin at lists.evolt.org
> > [mailto:theforum-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of .jeff
> > Sent: 23 July 2002 18:07
> > To: theforum at lists.evolt.org
> > Subject: RE: [Theforum] [DesDev] RE: [Content] Article cleanup issue
> OK, time for more contsructive behaviour from me. Hope
> you'll join in :-)
> > i said it was a mistake for doing it on my own without seeking
> > input from other members of theforum, content, whatever.
> I genuinely think that's a serious understatement, and
> it was rather more on the 'completely outrageous behaviour'
> end of the scale.
> > i don't
> > think that denying the articles i denied was a mistake.  go look
> > for yourself and you'll see the "quality" of content that lurked
> > in those articles.
> Not really the point.
> > then again, you seem to be more intent on
> > the absurd idea of not breaking any links
> You offer nothing to support that offensive use of 'absurd'.
> Why is breaking links a Good Thing, Jeff?  Really, I'm interested.
> When there's no reason to piss people off, and we're in a time
> where not pissing people off has become *critical*, why piss them
> off?
> > rather than solving the
> > issues of query response times i'm dealing with
> BING!   That's what this is about, right?  All the rest
> of this is just puff, and leads from Oracle's godawful
> response times.  Or is if CF?  We don't know.
> But with 1GHz on the processor and 1Gb of RAM, there's
> no excuse for response times like that.
> A more sensible way to proceed (I won't repeat Rudy's
> entirely-logical poke) is surely to get Sysadmin to
> identify the problem, and fix it?
> And if we/they can't fix it, then clearly we're using
> the wrong platform:  I don't doubt that you and I have
> both got databases *way* bigger than this which don't
> exhibit the kind of stupid behaviour you're reporting.
> > or complete lack
> > of quality in some of our early content.
> Covered this above.
> > does anyone here realize we're *seriously* in the majority with
> > the idea that *all* articles *ever* submitted and approved will
> > *always* be available?
> Assuming you mean 'minority', I don't care.  The Majority doesn't
> use CMS at all.  The Majority has Frontpage.  The Majority includes
> the San Jose Mercury, which recently broke every single link on
> its site and got buried by a shitstorm.
> The 'Majority' can sod off, frankly.  The question is not what
> the Majority does, it's what *we* do.  And what *we* do is what
> we determine is the Right Thing.
> The Right Thing doesn't include throwing out old stuff from
> volunteer contributors simply because we can't work our database.
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