Adrian, I don't think you are talking about changing the logo...? because I think that we have a kick-ass logo, and it is a strong/huge/historic part of our brand. There is also something about keeping a logo old-school that just rules... think Krispy Kreme... Coca Cola... IMO do not f w/ the cubes. IMO, the evolt cubes *are* sacred. I'd lose a piece of my heart if they changed, I kid you not. plus, don't a few of us have them tattooed on our bodies? hell yeah they are sacred. Maybe talking about how the cubes are incorporated into the design of the whole site? That is IMO more open, but I never felt that they *didn't* work. The current design has a "3 cube" theme happening: work/test/donate Martin's theme has a "4 cube" theme: work/test/play/support (support is IMO a better term than donate...) It's something that IIRC was really hashed out and thought through, and I think it works. Conceptually, the individual cubes are part of a whole. The RGB colors speak to that, the middle cube speaks to it... It's about as elegant as it gets. (Who designed that, anyway?) I see the core of evolt being: article content (which include community via profiles, ratings, and comments), thelist (which is the core community), and b.e.o (huge draw to evolt) -- though everything but l.e.o is lapsing right now. I like that member blog aggregator too. What a great way to get to know each other in a non-techie way. I am not sure what all Martin had in mind for the "play" section, but I kind of like the idea of it. As a side note... per Martin's Colophon page, I did not know that articles could be categorized in multiple areas... that was not apparent to me last time I submitted. Erika ------------------------------------------ Adrian Simmons wrote: > If we're really talking about a kick-ass new design and not just > redecorating then we have to think about re-architecting the site too > imnsho. I'd throw in re-branding to that too, tying a redesign to those 3 > cubes and the same old logotype is, I think, too limiting. The important > things about evolt are the community and the browser archive, coloured > cubes > shouldn't be at all sacred.