michele, dan, jeff, anybody... could you please email me offlist with the ftp logon instructions i would like to ftp an image into http://evolt.org/evolt/images/ at least, that's what i think the right directory is -- if not, please add instructions i want to add my little icon to the evolt collection available through Where can I get evolt.org images? http://evolt.org/evolt_images/index.html i will update/reapprove the article myself, if that's okay rudy