http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020218/date.html (hopefully no one will post to theforum before you read this) that page doesn't exist and throws me into an infinite loop not a big deal because probably no one but me navigates to the admin archives, then replaces "admin" with "totc" to visit this week's totc archives, and then replaces "totc" with "theforum" to visit the latest theforum archives. just wanted to point it out in case it's a quick fix. thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com