i don't think the plastic.com cubes are very close to ours, not compared to the cubes at picozip.com -- but when i mentioned picozip on theforum (http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020624/005814.html), i got one positive response (http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020624/005820.html) and one negative (http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020624/005823.html) and that was the last it was mentioned folks there are too busy voting on other stuff, i guess okay, okay, cheap shot, i take it back!! i'm sorry!! rudy