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Today's Topics:
1. Cross Browser Cacheing (Sowers, Matthew (CSC))
2. RE: MP3 Player [Unbelievably OT] (Matthew Fischer)
3. Javascript problem in IE 4.5 Mac (John Eckman)
4. Force download in ColdFusion? (Pete Prodoehl)
5. RE: href=# versus href=JavaScript..... (Bailey, Dan)
6. Javascript problem in IE 4.5 Mac (Gee)
7. Opera Technology Preview for Mac <finally>; TheChat? evolt at sxsw? (Joe
Crawford {From the iBook})
8. Re: Opera Technology Preview for Mac <finally>; TheChat? evolt at sxsw?
(Keni Barwick)
9. CFML Broadcast Email (Matt Mozer)
10. Re: Opera Technology Preview for Mac <finally>;
TheChat? evolt at sxsw? (Charles F. Johnson)
11. CFML Broadcast Email (Matt Mozer)
12. Beervolt London TONIGHT (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com)
13. RE: Beervolt London TONIGHT (Salvatore Palmisano)
14. RE: CFML Broadcast Email (Seth Bienek)
15. The Chat (Bob Davis)
16. RE: href=# versus href=JavaScript..... (Tab Alleman)
17. RE: Javascript problem in IE 4.5 Mac (Jerome Giudicelli)
18. Trouble Getting DW3 to apply templates (Scott Dexter)
19. Re: href=# versus href=JavaScript..... (Charles F. Johnson)
20. Re: Opera Technology Preview for Mac <finally>; TheChat? evolt at sxsw?
(Daniel J. Cody)
21. RE: Javascript problem in IE 4.5 Mac (sarah)
22. weblog tool (was Re: [thelist] Opera Technology Preview for
Mac <finally>; TheChat? evolt at sxsw?) (Matthew Haughey)
23. RE: href=# versus href=JavaScript..... (Aylard JA (James))
24. FIXED RE: [thelist] Trouble Getting DW3 to apply templates (Scott
Dexter)
25. RE: The Chat (aphelan (Andrea Phelan))
26. Re: Opera Technology Preview for Mac <finally>;
TheChat? evolt at sxsw? (Charles F. Johnson)
27. Re: weblog tool (was Re: [thelist] Opera Technology Preview for
Mac <finally>; TheChat? evolt at sxsw?) (Charles F. Johnson)
28. RE: href=# versus href=JavaScript..... (Tab Alleman)
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Message: 1
From: "Sowers, Matthew (CSC)" <Sowers at VOLPE.DOT.GOV>
To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:47:39 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"
Subject: [thelist] Cross Browser Cacheing
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Is there any way one can force a browser to only cache certain
images/objects in a web page?
We're thinking about running a page using layers of stacked GIF89s and only
generating certain of those images dynamically.
To better speed up the load time we were wondering if there was some sort of
flag we could incorporate into the page.
Kinda like "Cache this image, don't cache this one" type of thing
Sorry for being obtuse on this one, and tips forthcoming,
--Matt
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:57:08 -0500
From: Matthew Fischer <mfischer at e-fishsolutions.com>
Subject: RE: [thelist] MP3 Player [Unbelievably OT]
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > Related question that does relate to the website construction
> > industry: Is there a utility that can add/edit mp3 ID tags en masse?
>
Tag & Rename from http://www.softpointer.com can edit tags en masse, and can
also rename files based on tags (i.e., rename a group of files to
title-artist.mp3, removing all spaces and changing all text to lowercase).
You can rename using any scheme you want, it has tokens you insert in the
rename formula for Artist, Title, Album, Year, Genre, Comment and Track
Number.
It can also create ID3v1 tags from the ID3v2 tag, or vice-versa. Well worth
the $14.95 shareware fee, I used it to clean up/add the tags on about 1,200
.mp3's before transferring them to my brand-spankin' new Nomad Jukebox, and
it was much less painful then I thought it was going to be :-).
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:42:59 -0500
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
From: John Eckman <eckman at liquidsquid.com>
Subject: [thelist] Javascript problem in IE 4.5 Mac
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
At 10:47 AM 2/22/01, sarah <disaster7 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know of an issue
>this would cause in IE 4.5?
Yep. You can't detect the flash plugin in IE 4.5 Mac. At all.
See http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/mac_ie_issues.htm
which says, and I quote:
"There is no way to detect plug-in installation in Internet Explorer 4.5
and below on the Macintosh platform with scripting. "
and offers some workarounds.
So it isn't a javascript problem, so much as a bug in the way IE 4.x Mac
handles flash plug-in detection.
John
John Eckman "It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper
www.liquidsquid.com to just suck on a penny"
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Message: 4
From: Pete Prodoehl <pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com>
To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:51:19 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Force download in ColdFusion?
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
In perl I've used the following hack:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl
open (FILE, "/path/to/file");
local ($/);
$file = <FILE>;
close (FILE);
print "Content-type: application/x-unknown\n";
print "Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=file.tsv\n";
print "Content-Description: This is a tab-delimited file.\n\n";
print $file;
to present a "Save As..." dialog box and force the download of a file,
rather than have it displayed within the browser.
I'm looking for a way to do the same thing in ColdFusion, can anyone provide
pointers or a sample?
Thanks...
Pete
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Message: 5
From: "Bailey, Dan" <DBailey at digitalinsurance.com>
To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: RE: [thelist] href=# versus href=JavaScript.....
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:46:38 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Okay, here's the code snippet that started it all, and I can't seem to make
it jive. It could be that my brain is still in VacationMode(tm), so bear
with me:
<script language="JavaScript">
<!-- Begin
function NewWindow(mypage, myname, w, h, scroll) {
self.name = "di_main"; //names current window as "di_main"
var winl = (screen.width - w) / 2;
var wint = (screen.height - h) / 2;
winprops =
'height='+h+',width='+w+',top='+wint+',left='+winl+',scrollbars='+scroll+',r
esizable'
win = window.open(mypage, myname, winprops)
if (parseInt(navigator.appVersion) >= 4) { win.window.focus(); }
}
// End -->
</script>
<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans serif" size="2">
<p>Click <a
href="javascript:NewWindow('DisplayMessageNoZones.asp?Content%20Type=ca_spec
ific_footer','Individuals','400','400','yes');return false;">here</a> to
view age-banded rates.</p>
</font>
What am I missing?
-----------------------------------------
Dan Bailey
Content Engineer
Digital Insurance
dbailey at digitalinsurance.com
(610)-278-5471
When your only tool is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
"Shop smart! Shop S-mart!"
-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Mattheis [mailto:gozz at gozz.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:10 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] href=# versus href=JavaScript.....
I was just experimenting with different ways of triggering a
javascript function ...
http://gozz.com/temporary/no_href.html
Netscape does something weird when I put a style="" on the image ...
it takes the image out of the table, as if it were placed between
</tr> and <tr> or something ... both Mac and Win - 4.73 on both.
Also, on Nav Mac the <a href="#" onClick=""> works until you try the
one that has <img onClick=""> ... after which it won't work.
BTW, I hate it when I see href="#" to call javascript functions ...
at least add a window.status='' for me.
--
- Erik Mattheis
http://gozz.com/
(612) 827 3963
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Message: 6
Reply-To: "Gee" <gee at geedev.com>
From: "Gee" <gee at geedev.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:33:37 -0800
Organization: GeeDev Collective
charset="Windows-1252"
Subject: [thelist] Javascript problem in IE 4.5 Mac
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Sarah sez:
> I have this javascript that detects flash and writes
> the flash into the page if the user has it, and writes
> a static version if the user doesn't have it. It works
> fine on every browser except IE 4.5 on the mac, which
> doesn't display the the flash or the static version,
> it displays nothing.
You may find the script also fails on IE 3.x for Windows...I'll spare
everyone my interpretation of the labyrinthine reasons why, you can get an
explanation (along with a few suggested workarounds) straight from
Macromedia):
Flash and Internet Explorer Issues on the Macintosh Platform
http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/mac_ie_issues.htm
General Flash-detection Tips:
http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/uber_detection.htm#buil
tin
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:40:27 -0800
From: Joe Crawford {From the iBook} <jcrawford at avencom.com>
To: thelist <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: [thelist] Opera Technology Preview for Mac <finally>; TheChat?
evolt at sxsw?
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
I've personally been waiting for this one for (riffles through web to
out of date resume --- 3 - 3.25 years! ), years. I was still at ARCO
when I filled out the "I would be interested to see Opera on the Mac"
form on opera.com.
http://www.opera.com/download/mac.html
Renders things quickly, nice and trim (relatively) download. Does
JavaScript nicely, does style sheets nicely from what I can tell.
Disappointing rendering of pre-existing dhtml stuff (partly beta bugs?
partly differences in standards support/implementation). *Love* the
images on/images off feature -- nice way to check the accessibility of a
page for alt tags. Also love the zoom feature where you can adjust the
page from 20% to 1000%. You can make your site huge! Or "take a step
back" and see it from a distance. Nice.
Worth a look for you Mac fans; And clearly a long time coming.
And hey, there are versions of Opera for Windows, Linux, BeOS, and EPOC
(EPOC?)
Check it out at:
http://www.opera.com/
- Joe <aka http://artlung.com>
p.s.: 2 questions - how do I sign up for "thechat" (and should that be on
thesite somewhere? -- and what's the word on evolt.org members and SXSW?
Time's a getting close! I searched for some names in the sxsw.com directory
but didn't find any evolters I recognized.
Also, another link: http://www.sxswb.com/
--
Joe Crawford |||||||||||||| mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com
|||||||||||||||||||||||| http://www.avencom.com
||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Avencom: Set Your Sites Higher
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:50:53 -0000
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
From: Keni Barwick <keni at barwick.net>
Subject: Re: [thelist] Opera Technology Preview for Mac <finally>; TheChat?
evolt at sxsw?
Reply-To: keni at barwick.net
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>And hey, there are versions of Opera for Windows, Linux, BeOS, and EPOC
>(EPOC?)
EPOC is the operating system for Psion Orginisers and its clones.
Nice bit of NONE MS software, but to be fair Pocket PC or what ever its
called anit that bad now.
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Message: 9
From: "Matt Mozer" <matthewmozer at hotmail.com>
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Cc: ckbailey at hotmail.com, matthewmozer at hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:59:52 -0600
Subject: [thelist] CFML Broadcast Email
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Hey all,
I have written below a broadcast email message in CFML that will query a
live MS DB called mstcont.mdb in table promo1 (as written in the source
below). This script has been tested and will send an email to about 3000
email addresses I have stored in the DB. The question I have is that I need
a way for CFML to send me back a response or confirmation stating whether
the emails were sent or returned say in the subsystem. I am not totally sure
that all the email addresses are current or still correct. Is there a way I
can do this with CFML? Please write back if I am not being specific or clear
enough.
Thank You
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>Text E-mail by file entry</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgcolor ="#ffffff">
<CFQUERY NAME="RECIPIENTS" DATASOURCE="mstcont">
SELECT * FROM promo1 ORDER BY EmailAcct</CFQUERY>
<CFMAIL TO="#EmailAcct#"
FROM="info at ddresorts.com"
SUBJECT="News from Wherever"
QUERY="RECIPIENTS">
THIS IS A TEST MESSAGE.
</CFMAIL>
<H1>ALL FINISHED!</H1>
<P>Your messages have all been sent.</P>
</BODY>
</HTML>
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:00:55 -0800
Subject: Re: [thelist] Opera Technology Preview for Mac <finally>;
TheChat? evolt at sxsw?
From: "Charles F. Johnson" <charles at littlegreenfootballs.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Joe Crawford {From the iBook} <jcrawford at avencom.com> typed:
> http://www.opera.com/download/mac.html
>
> Renders things quickly, nice and trim (relatively) download. Does
> JavaScript nicely, does style sheets nicely from what I can tell.
i've been waiting for this one too, and it looks very promising indeed. nice
interface, very speedy, very compact. it's a Good Thing that Mac folks now
have another browser to kick around, especially one that promises to support
W3C standards. iCab is nice, but its lack of CSS support is a real
show-stopper (for me, anyway).
but i've already discovered a problem with font sizes, on our weblog page:
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php
the code is validated HTML 4.01, and the stylesheet is validated CSS-1, but
for some reason Opera is showing the body text on that page about 2 pixel
sizes smaller than it should, even though the stylesheet specifies font
sizes in pixels. any idea why this might be? (i should probably just chalk
it up to bugs in the pre-beta release...)
charles johnson
lgf web design
http://littlegreenfootballs.com
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Message: 11
From: "Matt Mozer" <matthewmozer at hotmail.com>
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Cc: ckbailey at hotmail.com, matthewmozer at hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:00:53 -0600
Subject: [thelist] CFML Broadcast Email
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Hey all,
I have written below a broadcast email message in CFML that will query a
live MS DB called mstcont.mdb in table promo1 (as written in the source
below). This script has been tested and will send an email to about 3000
email addresses I have stored in the DB. The question I have is that I need
a way for CFML to send me back a response or confirmation stating whether
the emails were sent or returned say in the subsystem. I am not totally sure
that all the email addresses are current or still correct. Is there a way I
can do this with CFML? Please write back if I am not being specific or clear
enough.
Thank You
html
<TITLE>Text E-mail by file entry</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgcolor ="#ffffff">
<CFQUERY NAME="RECIPIENTS" DATASOURCE="mstcont">
SELECT * FROM promo1 ORDER BY EmailAcct</CFQUERY>
<CFMAIL TO="#EmailAcct#"
FROM="info at ddresorts.com"
SUBJECT="News from Wherever"
QUERY="RECIPIENTS">
THIS IS A TEST MESSAGE.
</CFMAIL>
<H1>ALL FINISHED!</H1>
<P>Your messages have all been sent.</P>
/html
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Message: 12
From: <martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:04:52 +0000
To: thechat at lists.evolt.org, thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Beervolt London TONIGHT
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers
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Many apologies for the crosspost - I'd probably jump on
anyone else, I know, I'm crap. My one excuse is that
thechat hasn't been going long enough for me to be
comfortable that all the people are on it.
Beervolt London is taking place tonight, starting at
The Old Coffee House, on Beak St,
just off the south end of Carnaby St:
<http://uk2.multimap.com/clients/browse.cgi?client=M6&GridE=529342&GridN=180
943&width=700&db=ap&addr1=The+Old+Coffee+House,+49&addr2=Beak+Street&addr3=L
ondon&pc=W1F+9SF&SUBMIT=Find!&height=400&client=M6>
at 7pm (meet & 1 drink)
It then will up sticks and head round the corner to
Wagamama, on Lexington Street:
http://www.wagamama.com/wayto/london_soho.htm
at around 7:30
See you later
Cheers
Martin
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which she should receive.
Between the 2 systems, someone has to match A with B according
to a set of rules, and send it out to the Web server.
Most vendors of either tool will claim that they are best placed
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Message: 13
From: "Salvatore Palmisano" <spalmisano at usaiss.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: RE: [thelist] Beervolt London TONIGHT
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:11:57 -0500
charset="us-ascii"
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
What's thechat list?
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-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of
martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:05 PM
To: thechat at lists.evolt.org; thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Beervolt London TONIGHT
Many apologies for the crosspost - I'd probably jump on
anyone else, I know, I'm crap. My one excuse is that
thechat hasn't been going long enough for me to be
comfortable that all the people are on it.
Beervolt London is taking place tonight, starting at
The Old Coffee House, on Beak St,
just off the south end of Carnaby St:
<http://uk2.multimap.com/clients/browse.cgi?client=M6&GridE=529342&GridN=180
943&width=700&db=ap&addr1=The+Old+Coffee+House,+49&addr2=Beak+Street&addr3=L
ondon&pc=W1F+9SF&SUBMIT=Find!&height=400&client=M6>
at 7pm (meet & 1 drink)
It then will up sticks and head round the corner to
Wagamama, on Lexington Street:
http://www.wagamama.com/wayto/london_soho.htm
at around 7:30
See you later
Cheers
Martin
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Message: 14
Reply-To: <seth at sethbienek.com>
From: "Seth Bienek" <seth at sethbienek.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: RE: [thelist] CFML Broadcast Email
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:22:51 -0600
charset="iso-8859-1"
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Hey Matt,
There are a few different ways to go about doing this.
Cfmail is probably not the way to go if you are sending large quantities of
email. Since it connects to the smtp server through the SMTP port, it does
not lend itself to a high number of transactions, and there are some
well-known reliability issues dealing with cfmail and large quantities of
email as well.
Instead, consider writing the emails into the mailserver queue, per SGD's
EXCELLENT article series on using mail servers with web applicaitons:
<http://www.evolt.org/article/Using_files_to_send_emails_with_IIS_part_1_of_
2/17/3419/index.html>
<http://evolt.org/article/Using_Files_to_Send_Emails_with_IIS_part_2_of_2/17
/3875/index.html>
His examples are in ASP, but the same could be done with CF fairly easily; I
even wrote a custom tag for this purpose:
<http://sethbienek.com/dfwcfug/cf_maildrop.zip>
If you do decide to use cfmail, for whatever reason, the contents of the CF
mail undeliverable folder (default: C:\CFUSION\MAIL\UNDELIVR) should get you
the info you need.
Otherwise, email has a mechanism built in for this. Most email servers will
return a notification to the sender when an addressee no longer exists. Set
up a new email address solely for the purpose of collecting bounced email,
and use that email address as the "reply-to" address of your broadcast
message.
The bummer is that you will have to manually go through the bounce notices
to get the addresses that need to be removed from your database. The reason
for this is that there is not a standard format for bounce notices (that I
am aware of).
As I mentioned earlier, there are other ways of doing this, particularly if
you don't mind annoying your recipients with HTML-formatted email. But
that's another topic altogether.
I hope this gives you some ideas.
Regards,
Seth
------------------------------
Seth Bienek
Solutions Development Manager
Stonebridge Technologies, Inc.
972.455.7294 tel
972.404.9754 fax
ICQ #7673959
------------------------------
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Matt Mozer
>
> Hey all,
> I have written below a broadcast email message in CFML that will query a
> live MS DB called mstcont.mdb in table promo1 (as written in the source
> below). This script has been tested and will send an email to about 3000
> email addresses I have stored in the DB. The question I have is
> that I need
> a way for CFML to send me back a response or confirmation stating whether
> the emails were sent or returned say in the subsystem. I am not
> totally sure
> that all the email addresses are current or still correct. Is
> there a way I
> can do this with CFML? Please write back if I am not being
> specific or clear
> enough.
>
> Thank You
>
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:32:11 -0500
From: Bob Davis <bobd at members.evolt.org>
To: The List <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: [thelist] The Chat
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
To answer a couple questions about TheChat, I'll refer you all to Martin's
note of the 19th.
http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010219/150677.html
In short:
TheChat is a social, chatty list for us all. So far, the topics have been
movie and book recommendations, how to properly determine if someone's a
witch, various memes, food, music, drink, fun, etc. Basically if it's
something you'd like to share with the community but don't think it's
appropriate for thelist (i.e., not related to webdev or work), thechat is
the place to post it.
It's fun, and that's what it's meant to be. Come on over! We're the loud
table in the corner. Hope to see you there.
To signup, visit
http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat
bob
--
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bobd at members.evolt.org
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Message: 16
From: "Tab Alleman" <talleman at autobex.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: RE: [thelist] href=# versus href=JavaScript.....
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:47:35 -0500
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I know there's no shortage of pennies here, but I too have had cases where
href="javascript: ..." didn't work, but href="#" onclick="..." did work. I
haven't discerned the pattern, so my solution is to try href="javascript"
first, and if it doesn't work, switch to href="#". (Then if THAT doesn't
work, I debug my script.. :)
So my point to you is that it's not *always* sloppy coding.. sometimes it's
the only thing that seems to work.
And to Scott, using href="#" does screw up your history, unless you put more
javascript in there to fix it, and if a programmer's lazy enough to do
href="#", guess what? :)
there's 2 more cents.. keep the receipt.
Tab
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From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Anthony Baratta
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:51 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] href=# versus href=JavaScript.....
At 06:44 PM 2/21/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>I thought href=# was the more proper of the two (considering '#' is used
for
>an inline anchor); and --not that this validates the statement-- I've
>watched browsers puke on a href=javascript: call, and that's outside the
>cases where javascript is just turned off ...
>
>(curiously) why does it irk you so?
Because of the way I think the browser works. Its trying to interpret the
href and go "somewhere", yet you're trying to using Javascript to do
something else, either related to another file or something with the
current page. This IMHO leads to confusion. Too many times have I seen
pages screwed up because of this.
What I'm not saying is that anchors are bad. I just think that if the HREF
is not designed to go to another page or anchor on the same page - you
shouldn't be using href=# as a place holder for "go no where". I have come
to the conclusion that its just sloppy coding.
Am I off base?
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:51:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Jerome Giudicelli <jayrom at earthlink.net>
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] Javascript problem in IE 4.5 Mac
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
I had the same problem recently.
The only solution I've found is to use a check page with an embedded 1-frame
flash movie. The frame has a GetURL action which redirects to the flash
version of your site, so that visitors with flash will be sent there almost
instantly. You need to add a refresh meta tag for the ones without flash,
with a short refresh time, which will redirect them to the non-flash site.
Hope this is clear.
Jérôme
------Original Message------
From: John Eckman <eckman at liquidsquid.com>
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Sent: February 22, 2001 4:42:59 PM GMT
Subject: [thelist] Javascript problem in IE 4.5 Mac
At 10:47 AM 2/22/01, sarah <disaster7 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know of an issue
>this would cause in IE 4.5?
Yep. You can't detect the flash plugin in IE 4.5 Mac. At all.
See http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/mac_ie_issues.htm
which says, and I quote:
"There is no way to detect plug-in installation in Internet Explorer 4.5
and below on the Macintosh platform with scripting. "
and offers some workarounds.
So it isn't a javascript problem, so much as a bug in the way IE 4.x Mac
handles flash plug-in detection.
John
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www.liquidsquid.com to just suck on a penny"
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Message: 18
From: Scott Dexter <sgd at ti3.com>
To: "Evolt (E-mail)" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:04:16 -0600
charset="iso-8859-1"
Subject: [thelist] Trouble Getting DW3 to apply templates
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
I've got a buncha files that I'm trying to get DW3 to apply a template to,
but for some reason it mysteriously skips over some but applies changes to
others.
Even if I make changes to the template, and accept the changes to the files
that use it, the dialog box that lists the pages DW will change is different
than the listing of its progress --some of the files identified as subject
to change just aren't touched...
any ideas?
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:05:20 -0800
Subject: Re: [thelist] href=# versus href=JavaScript.....
From: "Charles F. Johnson" <charles at littlegreenfootballs.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Tab Alleman <talleman at autobex.com> typed:
> I know there's no shortage of pennies here, but I too have had cases where
> href="javascript: ..." didn't work, but href="#" onclick="..." did work.
I
> haven't discerned the pattern, so my solution is to try href="javascript"
> first, and if it doesn't work, switch to href="#". (Then if THAT doesn't
> work, I debug my script.. :)
sorry for posting this again, but looks like my 2 cents got missed the first
time around! if for some reason you don't want to put your main javascript
code in the href, i've been able to get around the problems with href="#"
(specifically, reloading the page) by using a null javascript function for
the href attribute, like this:
href="javascript:;" onClick="etc. etc."
charles johnson
lgf web design
http://littlegreenfootballs.com
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:06:25 -0600
From: "Daniel J. Cody" <djc at starkmedia.com>
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Opera Technology Preview for Mac <finally>; TheChat?
evolt at sxsw?
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
charles what do you use for your weblog? is it something you rolled on
your own or somebody else did?
i'd like to set up something more similar to yours :)
Charles F. Johnson wrote:
> Joe Crawford {From the iBook} <jcrawford at avencom.com> typed:
>
>
>> http://www.opera.com/download/mac.html
>>
>> Renders things quickly, nice and trim (relatively) download. Does
>> JavaScript nicely, does style sheets nicely from what I can tell.
>
>
> i've been waiting for this one too, and it looks very promising indeed.
nice
> interface, very speedy, very compact. it's a Good Thing that Mac folks now
> have another browser to kick around, especially one that promises to
support
> W3C standards. iCab is nice, but its lack of CSS support is a real
> show-stopper (for me, anyway).
>
> but i've already discovered a problem with font sizes, on our weblog page:
>
> http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php
>
> the code is validated HTML 4.01, and the stylesheet is validated CSS-1,
but
> for some reason Opera is showing the body text on that page about 2 pixel
> sizes smaller than it should, even though the stylesheet specifies font
> sizes in pixels. any idea why this might be? (i should probably just chalk
> it up to bugs in the pre-beta release...)
>
> charles johnson
> lgf web design
> http://littlegreenfootballs.com
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:12:28 -0800 (PST)
From: sarah <disaster7 at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [thelist] Javascript problem in IE 4.5 Mac
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Thanks for the suggestion, we use to use something
similar to this, but because the user got stuck using
the back button and getting redirected back again.
That's why we changed to what we use now.
Thanks again!
--- Jerome Giudicelli <jayrom at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I had the same problem recently.
> The only solution I've found is to use a check page
> with an embedded 1-frame flash movie. The frame has
> a GetURL action which redirects to the flash version
> of your site, so that visitors with flash will be
> sent there almost instantly. You need to add a
> refresh meta tag for the ones without flash, with a
> short refresh time, which will redirect them to the
> non-flash site.
> Hope this is clear.
> Jérôme
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: John Eckman <eckman at liquidsquid.com>
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Sent: February 22, 2001 4:42:59 PM GMT
> Subject: [thelist] Javascript problem in IE 4.5 Mac
>
>
> At 10:47 AM 2/22/01, sarah <disaster7 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know of an issue
> >this would cause in IE 4.5?
>
> Yep. You can't detect the flash plugin in IE 4.5
> Mac. At all.
>
> See
>
http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/mac_ie_issues.htm
>
> which says, and I quote:
>
> "There is no way to detect plug-in installation in
> Internet Explorer 4.5
> and below on the Macintosh platform with scripting.
> "
>
> and offers some workarounds.
>
> So it isn't a javascript problem, so much as a bug
> in the way IE 4.x Mac
> handles flash plug-in detection.
>
> John
>
>
>
> John Eckman "It'd be a hell of a
> lot cheaper
> www.liquidsquid.com to just suck on a
> penny"
>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:15:43 -0800
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
From: Matthew Haughey <matt at haughey.com>
Subject: weblog tool (was Re: [thelist] Opera Technology Preview for
Mac <finally>; TheChat? evolt at sxsw?)
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
On 01:06 PM 2/22/2001 -0600, Daniel J. Cody wrote:
>charles what do you use for your weblog? is it something you rolled on
>your own or somebody else did?
>
>i'd like to set up something more similar to yours :)
It looks like greymatter, a really nice server-side perl weblog tool that
writes to flat files:
http://noahgrey.com/greysoft/
Matt
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Message: 23
From: "Aylard JA (James)" <jaylard at equilon.com>
To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: RE: [thelist] href=# versus href=JavaScript.....
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:24:46 -0600
charset="windows-1252"
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Tab,
> I know there's no shortage of pennies here, but I too have had cases where
> href="javascript: ..." didn't work, but href="#" onclick="..." did work.
I
> haven't discerned the pattern, so my solution is to try href="javascript"
> first, and if it doesn't work, switch to href="#".
One ill side-effect that can occur when using the javascript:
protocol within the href when opening a new window is that the opener window
will in some browsers redirect to an otherwise blank page except for the
word "[object]" (IE) or "[object Window]" (Netscape 4.x). However, assigning
the window.open method to a variable avoids this. So:
<a href="javascript: window.open();">
will redirect the opener to [object] or [object Window]
<a href="javascript: var newWin = window.open();">
will pop the window without an opener redirect
However, I still *strongly* advocate placing the target URI in the
href attribute (like a normal link) and placing the javascript in an onclick
event handler (with the addition of "return false" at the end to cancel the
link's default behavior).
* Benefit of this approach stated previously: older and non-JS-enabled
browsers will still open the link, just without all of the classy chrome
modifications.
* Benefit of this approach *not* stated previously: religious shift-clickers
(i.e., those who open links in a new window) will still open the target
document in a new window without error. Try that with the javascript in the
href...
James Aylard
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Message: 24
From: Scott Dexter <sgd at ti3.com>
To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: FIXED RE: [thelist] Trouble Getting DW3 to apply templates
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:21:09 -0600
charset="iso-8859-1"
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Nevermind, DW expects a pretty specific order to the tags it uses for
templates.
</html><!-- #EndTemplate --> --Does NOT work, DW ignores the whole page
<!-- #EndTemplate --></html> --ahh, that's better. DW applies the template
sgd
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dexter [mailto:sgd at ti3.com]
> but for some reason it mysteriously skips over some but
> applies changes to
> others.
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Message: 25
From: "aphelan (Andrea Phelan)" <aphelan at confederationc.on.ca>
To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: RE: [thelist] The Chat
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:27:54 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
does Evolt have an IRC chat or something of the like?
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From: Bob Davis [mailto:bobd at members.evolt.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:32 PM
To: The List
Subject: [thelist] The Chat
To answer a couple questions about TheChat, I'll refer you all to Martin's
note of the 19th.
http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010219/150677.html
In short:
TheChat is a social, chatty list for us all. So far, the topics have been
movie and book recommendations, how to properly determine if someone's a
witch, various memes, food, music, drink, fun, etc. Basically if it's
something you'd like to share with the community but don't think it's
appropriate for thelist (i.e., not related to webdev or work), thechat is
the place to post it.
It's fun, and that's what it's meant to be. Come on over! We're the loud
table in the corner. Hope to see you there.
To signup, visit
http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat
bob
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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:32:12 -0800
Subject: Re: [thelist] Opera Technology Preview for Mac <finally>;
TheChat? evolt at sxsw?
From: "Charles F. Johnson" <charles at littlegreenfootballs.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Daniel J. Cody <djc at starkmedia.com> typed:
> charles what do you use for your weblog? is it something you rolled on
> your own or somebody else did?
>
> i'd like to set up something more similar to yours :)
the journal management software i use is called Greymatter, at:
http://noahgrey.com/greysoft/
it's a very nice Perl-based program, that does everything blogger does and
lots more. tons of template-based config options.
i'm using it a little differently than how it's intended to be used, though.
basically, i set its templates to output bare text files containing some
HTML tags, and then use PHP to include the text files into the main page
template. and i did have to hack the Perl code a bit to make all the
features work with this scheme.
if you use it as it was designed, it creates separate HTML files for the
entry index and each individual entry based on the templates.
charles johnson
lgf web design
http://littlegreenfootballs.com
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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:33:08 -0800
Subject: Re: weblog tool (was Re: [thelist] Opera Technology Preview for
Mac <finally>; TheChat? evolt at sxsw?)
From: "Charles F. Johnson" <charles at littlegreenfootballs.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Matthew Haughey <matt at haughey.com> typed:
> It looks like greymatter, a really nice server-side perl weblog tool that
> writes to flat files:
> http://noahgrey.com/greysoft/
>
> Matt
you got it, matt. there's a link at the bottom of the right column.
charles johnson
lgf web design
http://littlegreenfootballs.com
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Message: 28
From: "Tab Alleman" <talleman at autobex.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: RE: [thelist] href=# versus href=JavaScript.....
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:31:11 -0500
charset="Windows-1252"
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
That's good stuff, and so is the href="javascript:" onclick="..."
The only thing is I would swear that sometimes the javascript in the href
has bombed on things other than opening pop-ups.. things like self.close(),
for instance. But I could be wrong.. my memory has been sprouting leaks of
late, after all..
anh. Whatever.. I'll try both of those tips next time I encounter the
problem!
Tab
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From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Aylard JA (James)
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:25 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thelist] href=# versus href=JavaScript.....
Tab,
> I know there's no shortage of pennies here, but I too have had cases where
> href="javascript: ..." didn't work, but href="#" onclick="..." did work.
I
> haven't discerned the pattern, so my solution is to try href="javascript"
> first, and if it doesn't work, switch to href="#".
One ill side-effect that can occur when using the javascript:
protocol within the href when opening a new window is that the opener window
will in some browsers redirect to an otherwise blank page except for the
word "[object]" (IE) or "[object Window]" (Netscape 4.x). However, assigning
the window.open method to a variable avoids this. So:
<a href="javascript: window.open();">
will redirect the opener to [object] or [object Window]
<a href="javascript: var newWin = window.open();">
will pop the window without an opener redirect
However, I still *strongly* advocate placing the target URI in the
href attribute (like a normal link) and placing the javascript in an onclick
event handler (with the addition of "return false" at the end to cancel the
link's default behavior).
* Benefit of this approach stated previously: older and non-JS-enabled
browsers will still open the link, just without all of the classy chrome
modifications.
* Benefit of this approach *not* stated previously: religious shift-clickers
(i.e., those who open links in a new window) will still open the target
document in a new window without error. Try that with the javascript in the
href...
James Aylard
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