> > ...Is it true that W3C are considering > > depreciating frames? Why don't you like them?? Discuss!! > > Yes, it is true that the XHTML 1.1 Working Draft does not support >frames at all (http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/changes.html#a_changes). There >we go again <g>. They're fully capable of deprecating frames, of course... >(not that I will pay the slightest attention). >In theory, the use of CSS 2 will allow the construction of sectioned pages >without the use of frames, but widespread support is not there yet (for >instance, Mozilla 0.8 supports "position: fixed", although Netscape 6.x >does not). Needless to say, it will be quite some time before the use of >CSS 2 will replace the use of frames in practice. Exactly. The point is, W3C is supposed to do stuff like this, kind of set out the lines for future development, and in theory they're right, CSS positioning can replace frames in, say, the Version 7 browsers. So, yes, their recommendation should include something about not using frames any more. The problem with this kind of ideas is that people seem to think that it's the True Gospel as soon as the recommendation has been released and will immediately start to send boring mails that Thou Shalt Not Use Frames, even though it doesn't (yet) make sense to rigidly follow the recommendation. We've seen this before with the deprecation of <IMG NAME> (and, to a lesser degree, with XHTML) and now we'll see it again with the deprecation of frames. So the bottom line is: please remember that W3C is right when talking about the *future* but that doesn't mean its recommendations should be followed to the letter in the *present*. Just my 2c, hoping to prevent yet more endless flame wars about this subject. <TIP TYPE="NN4 and borders" AUTHOR="ppk"> When using border declarations in style sheets meant for NN4, please remember that old NN4's (say, below 4.7) may crash on too many elements with borders. So be careful and test your page in NN 4.5 or 4.6 </TIP> ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.