[thelist] Alternatives to Frames? (was: Jumping In With Both Feet, Part 2

joseph gannon ganemanrussell at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 14 08:57:11 CST 2001


Marc

Yes..I'm referring to Nielsen's 'Deconstructed
Homepages book. 

73

Joe
--- Marc Seyon <seyon at delime.com> wrote:
> At 12/13/2001 02:24 PM, you wrote:
> >Mark
> 
> ...(Marc) :-)
> 
> 
> >Although I dont recommend the use of frames in most
> >instances, I have some seen some implemetations
> that
> >make more sense to me than others.
> 
> Yes, agreed. There are always exceptions to every
> rule. Not that I'd 
> consider not using frames a rule, just a strong
> suggestion.
> 
> >One of the things I don't like about frames is that
> >the URL never changes if you use the same frameset
> >throughout the site.
> >
> >But, I have seen some sites that change the
> frameset
> >for each top level content. That way, the URL's
> >change.
> 
> Yes, that does solve the bookmarking and other such
> problems. Microsoft's 
> does it too.
> 
> >I worked on a site that used frames, and while it
> was
> >easy to maintain, users had problems.
> 
> As Joel pointed out earlier in this thread, "CSS and
> tables for layout, SSI 
> for code
> modularity" pretty much solves this maintenance
> issue in many cases.
> 
> >  For example,
> >when we a new navigation element to the left
> >navigation bar, we used noscroll. That was fine for
> >users with a monitor setting of 800x600..but our
> >company used 640x480, and the new content category
> got
> >pushed below the viewing screen. (call it dumb
> >implementation..or some would say a dumb user who
> uses
> >640x480..remember though the user is ALWAYS right.
> )
> 
> Poor implementation. Means the user has to scroll a
> secondary window (the 
> frame window) to see vitally important content -
> navigation elements.
> 
> >Yes there are arguments for and against them.
> >Nielsen's latest tome shows that only 4% used
> frames.
> >I'd suggest that since the number is so low, and
> based
> >on my experience, don't use frames.
> 
> Don't use frames unless you've got a compelling
> reason to do so, and until 
> you've considered the alternatives and
> repercussions.
> 
> Which Nielsen tome are you referring to? The
> 'Deconstructed Homepages' one? 
> Just out of curiosity...
> 
> regards.
> -marc
> 
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