Matt > I am in a similar world as Martin, but on custom development > (web-based, mostly) projects. Exact same sales process. ahh ok > Just in case you thought it had something to do with the fact that he > is working on CRM rather than custom dev projects. ok. For me, I think CRM / event apps / organisers are the way to go, like basecamp et al. Been wanting to get out of static sites for a long time now; ought to spend 1 week with a framework and see what sort of application I can create :) A.