[Sysadmin] Re: [Finance] RE: [steering] Migration

[Martin Burns]

On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 11:15  pm, .jeff wrote:

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>> From: Martin Burns
>>
>> iow, discuss the details in sysadmin & desdev and bring
>> a worked out proposal back here for rubber stamp.
>> Steering should not sleepwalk into the old admin and
>> take over their roles.
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> in case you hadn't noticed, we have 4 weeks to get everything ported and
> moved.  that doesn't leave time for either discussion, proposal
> writing, or
> rubberstamping.  we're all in agreement that we need to resolve the
> current
> crisis, so let's cut that chatter and get to things that matter.  we
> barely
> have time to port, upgrade, and test before the window closes.  let's
> not
> miss it.

And my point was
a) Get to things that matter with the people who do it - desdev &
sysadmin (otherwise what's the point of having them) - and are qualified
to do it
b) Don't ask steering to make decisions on your request when steering is
*not* qualified to do it.

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>> <finance rep> Please supply details of and costings for
>> your proposed win2k/mssql based host, or I doubt budget
>> will be forthcoming. Bear in mind that rackshack is the
>> current benchmark - $100 a month plus taxes and a solid
>> setup that isn't dependent on owner goodwill.
>> </finance rep>
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> rackshack is *your* current benchmark.

No, rackshack is the host which has been suggested with details provided
past a level of handwaving.

>   unless they offer cf/win2k/mssql
> hosting, they're outta the picture entirely with regard to weo/teo.

Well, if desdev and sysadmin agree, sure.

> now, i've stated numerous times that there are plenty of hosts out there
> that offer cf/win2k/mssql in the bandwidth range we need for weo/teo for
> about $100/month.

And every time I've responded right back that that's handwaving and
vapourware without an accompanying "I recommend *this* one". Give a
*real* quote with a *real* host - complete with URL (references would
also be useful), not "There's lots out there" and it can be considered.

> i'm willing to take on
> weo (and teo), even if only for the short term, while we get the
> necessary
> monthly income to fund the $100/month it'll cost for weo.

$100 a month we have ($500 a month we don't). My vote will absolutely be
against temporary homes based on goodwill. We've had and lost two of
them in the last year. I would expect finance not to provide the budget
for this kind of setup, but to provide it for a full-time hosting
business that considers evolt as a commercial customer.

> i've been discussing shared hosting with a host that would be willing to
> offer us hosting for weo/teo at a discount.  it'd be on a box in a very
> large datacenter, with multiple, super fat pipes (oc48) and years of
> hosting
> experience.  if necessary, the site could go on one of their dedicated
> boxes, but billed as a shared plan because of my relationship with the
> host.

That's an OK setup - name names and prices. And assurances that we get
the same SLA as their other customers.

Cheers
Martin
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