> > > For what i have seen, ther are no big sites that use > > > layers, most of them go tables. > > my old site uses layers (http://www.dnr.qld.gov.au) and it has about > > 30K pages > > Quick glance and I saw tables. Also, the page layout you have going on > there > is extremely simple. In that case, you wouldn't need much formatting to > create that page in the first place. Therefore, I don't think it fully > supports your argument. > then since I worked on the site over 6 months ago they have changed the design to utilise tables - the original one that was designed utilised layers throughout > > I hate designing with tables - I'm having a seriously hard time on > > the contract I'm on at the moment because the company that created our > > publishing package knew nothing about design and have designed the site > > utilising tables (and poorly designed ones at that), I'm not > > looking forward > > to having to come back here next financial year (when they've got money > to > > pay me again) and converting the tables to useable layers to fit with > > HTML4.01 strict. > > Hmmmm... I don't see how design has anything to do with tables. And, > poorly-coded tables are undoubtably just as much a problem as poorly-coded > layers. I think the two key points to consider are control and > degradeability. > no I think the main key point is accessibility and tables don't fit this mould the original email *was* about using tables for design (see below) <snip> At work, we just got new designers. They are very good at what they do, but not when it refers to html. The problem is that they are so used to move things around, that all they use are layers. And lots of them. They cant think tables. I tried to convince them of tables and to leave layers for "special ocasions". They didnt seem convinced that layers are bad since they dont work the same in all the browsers. For what i have seen, ther are no big sites that use layers, most of them go tables. I have to be honest, since I ran out of arguments very fast. So what i need to know is, is it, at this day, good to go layers ? Maybe i am the one who likes tables so much that wants to keep it that way. If anyone can clear me up the advantages/disadvantages of using tables vs layers and what you recommend, it would be great, so that i can have a reason to debate with the designers. For now, the designers refuse to do anything in tables, they think thats an engineering job :( All they use is the "convert layers to tables" in Dreamweaver. Can anyone recommend how you guys convert a design to html with tables ?? </snip> **************************DISCLAIMER******************************** The information in this e-mail message together with any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee, any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on this e-mail message is unauthorised. Opinions contained in this e-mail message and any attachments do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Government and associated organisations. If you received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and any attachments from your computer and/or your computer system network.