I used to use Frontier back in '96 - you know, before the end of the world. I enjoyed its setup, and it was a powerful concept for development.. everything you do consists of little scripts inside an outliner, and as a result it's extremely object-oriented, but not in the traditional way. But I got tired of Dave Winer and company and eventually moved on to Applescript and then a wee bit o' Perl and then PHP. Newer versions of Frontier now cost money, IIRC. Oh, and always back up your root file. :) -----Original Message----- From: zac [mailto:zac at pixelgeek.com] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:18 PM To: theList Subject: Re: [thelist] Mac tools > - Userland Frontier 5.0.1 (free) as the basic page, script and code > administration engine and Frontier is probably not for the faint of heart. You're better off getting MacPerl which has the benefit of running on more platforms than Frontier.