I've been coding CF since 4.1, and I think it's about time I go for another round of significant upgrades. OOP in CF still baffles me. Can someone recommend a good tutorial that goes from "You're an idiot, this is WHY you want an object oriented approach" to the actual how to step by step to the point where I can understand using getters and setters, and OOP frameworks like Mach II and Reactor and ColdSpring, etc? What I'm really asking for is a recommendation to a (preferably web-based) resource with a shallow learning curve that is still meaty enough to take me from zero to hero in a short while. Thanks. Frank Marion lists at frankmarion.com Keep the signal high.