Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: >>setting or if you can start java application (usually will be an exe or >>bat file that has the line of code that is needed to start the java >>piece) and run that from the command promopt. > Thanks for the ideas, I'll poke around. If you find out anymore please post! If there *is* a .bat file being used to launch the application, you can examine each line of it to see the environment variables it's looking for and/or setting, possible hard-coded file system paths, and so on. Frequently there's an "aha!" hidden in there :-) That won't work if there's only a .exe, of course. In that case, try to find the app's primary jar file. You may be able to start it from the command line as `java -jar appname.jar` in which case you can watch that window for startup error messages... HTH, -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code.