Syed [..] > in serious problems and misunderstandings about Islam. Many > web sites are dedicated to the propaganda against Islam and > Pakistan. Being a Muslim and Pakistani, it is not tolerable > for me. So why not contact the publishers of these sites rather than making the massive, crass and potentially insulting assumptions that the entire list a) reads these sites and b) operates in ignorance of the nature of Islam. > I like to show the people real pictures of Islam and > Pakistan. When I tell people about Islam, I do Jihad. Yes, I am certainly aware of the true meaning of the word Jihad. I'm not suggesting that you do this on purpose, but often you appear patronising, self absorbed and arrogant. I am sure that these are not traits that a muslim would consciously adopt. > it's also Jihad. For most non-Muslims, Jihad is an Islamic > name of armed campaign against non-believers. But such > campaign is the most extreme type of Jihad which is only > applicable when a non-Muslim nation attacks or shows > aggression against a Muslim nation. Jihad is a struggle for > the religion of Islam. It has many types according to the > situations. Telling people about Islam is also Jihad and it's > also an obligation on every Muslim. It's the best way of > Jihad in peace. I think you will agree that I have never > criticized any religion. I just tell about Islam. Ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Religions by their very nature require active recruitment. Perhaps you should accept that the membership of this particular list is perfectly capable of doing their own research and reaching their own conclusions on the subject of religion. I'm sure that if someone has a specific question regarding Pakistan and Islam they would know where to turn by now :) > > what are you worried about? whatever happens, its a > statistical fact > > that, theres always gonna be somebody who doesnt like you/your > > religion/your country etc. > > I am worried about wrong perceptions about Islam and > Pakistan. I am worried about that international propaganda So why keep blathering on about it here? Surely your efforts would be better expended in a forum where people demonstrate applied ignorance rather than a forum where people are generally informed and open of mind. > which is going on against Islam and Pakistan. I don't say you > have to love my religion but I say don't criticize (referring > to propaganda) Islam and Pakistan just because you don't like Frankly, I'll criticise who and what I please for whatever reason I choose. It's called "freedom of speech", and should be preserved at all costs. I don't ask you to agree with my criticisms or even pay them any attention. Have I ever criticised Islam or Pakistan because I "don't like them"? Has anyone else on this list? Don't mistake people not liking an individual with people not liking an individual's beliefs. > them. (The pronoun "you" is NOT indicating to Ashok. Here > "you" can be anybody who dislikes Islam or Pakistan.) My > religious duty is just to tell people about Islam. It is > their problem if they agree or not. I'm sure that someone as enlightened as the prophet Mohammed would realise that in this day and age there is what's known as a time and a place. Feel free to exercise your religious rights, but bear in mind that you are an ambassador for your religion. If you irritate people in the name of Allah you are doing your religion no favours regardless of the purity of your motives. I'll state for the record I have made a conscious and informed decision not to follow any organised religion. I don't disbelieve in God, but for reasons forthcoming I find Hir irrelevant. Comment on this, Syed ;) God created the universe, ergo God is not within the universe. The universe is space-time, ie fourth dimensional. Thus, God must exist in the fifth dimension or above. We are three dimensional entities. A two dimensional entity would be a plane. Three dimensional entities are more complex than two dimensional entities, but we are unable to comprehend a two dimensional entity in anything other than mathematical terms. Therefore any interaction between us and a two dimensional entity is uninformed, thus arbitrary. Thus, God may well interact with us *but* in an uninformed manner, thus arbitrarily. This would certainly explain why churches fall on orphans, and why God does not meddle in the affairs of mortals (free will). IMHO attempting to answer the question "Does God exist?" is pointless when the real question should be "Is God relevant?". In fact, who cares about God anyway? What did God ever do for anyone? Why can't religious zealots ever concentrate on behaving appropriately within society not because "God says I should" but because it is _The_Right_Thing_To_Do_(tm). Surely in this case even if God exists you'll get to heaven anyway, having been a just and virtuous individual? Of course certain religious dogma would have you believe that you simply won't get to heaven (or whatever bullshit construct you wish to believe in) unless you accept that particular religion. Here we go back to recruitment. It surprises me that anyone would believe in a perfect God that totally misses the paradox of faith being something that you cannot learn, yet being a pre-requisite for admittance to heaven. > As a matter of fact I like cool religious and political > discussions. As indicated by somebody here earlier, pure > science (computer or any other) is off-topic for my buddies > who come here to relax. Okay, I'll indicate right now that I come here to relax, and religious zealots constantly banging on about their religion as if no one else has ever bothered to actually find out anything about it irritates the heck out of me. Understand: I DO NOT NEED EDUCATING on the subject of *any* religion unless I request education. Do not confuse this with a distaste for theological and religious discussion. I object to lengthly discourse containing about half a sentence-worth of actual information; the remainder being generalities backed up by nothing more than your enduring paranoia. This is not an attack on Islam or Pakistan. It is not a personal attack on you. Personally I find you very agreeable, but I object to your bigotry as I would object to bigotry from anyone. Regards Chris Marsh  Obviously there are exceptions; Judaism for example.  Although this is mandated in the US, it isn't in the UK.  For the record this is NOT aimed at you specifically.