new site changes (was: RE: [thesite] some constructive critic ism)

McCreath_David McCreath_David at
Fri Dec 15 13:16:23 CST 2000

From: aardvark

>> From: McCreath_David <McCreath_David at>
>> 1) I changed the text to #333333 and bumped it up to 12px. This looks
>> to me.
>i assume just in the CSS, right?

You betcha.

>> My only comment is that I HATE the underline on the article title. WAY
>> distracting. I figure there are two options: Make a new style to remove
>> underline from the linked article titles on the home page OR just unlink
>> titles. I think I would prefer to have a new style, because the title is
>> such an obvious thing to link.
>class="title" is the style for the titles on the front page... try 
>affecting that, first... you know, using the <a> style...

Okay. I'll give that shot.

>> 3) I took the nowrap attribute off the far left column because the larger
>> text size was making the main content column sooooo narrow (at 640x480)
>> it lost importance. 
>looks good... makes me wonder what removing it will break, since 
>it had to have been there for a reason... not to worry now, though...

Near as I can tell, it was to keep the date from wrapping (which happens
when the topic/center name is shorter than the date on the article page). I
was figuring that it was put on the home page for consistency's sake, but I
was thinking that the odds of *all* the articles coming from the centers
with short names is pretty slim.

>> 4) Just in case anyone missed it, yesterday isaac suggested adding some
>> padding on the article page to get some breathing for large blocks of
>> I also took the nowrap attribute off the date/subject cell in the upper
>> hand corner, and I have a comment about that. On the topics/centers that
>> have small names (see Jobs), that left hand column becomes too narrow,
>> I'd like to add a 1 x (datewidth) pixel spacer in the cell that has the
>> "Print Article" link to set a minimum width for the column. Opinions?
>not a bad idea, but we were trying eliminate spacer.gifs in order to 
>allow the user and the content to determine the best way to display 

I understand that *totally* and I want to support it as well. I guess the
other option would be to do a two row table for the date and center name
with a nowrap attribute on the cell with the date. Does that sound better or
>one other thing... the blacktabnavbarthingie is now broken from the 
>content table, offset, and has misaligned images within it... this is 
>in NN4.x... the live site doesn't have this problem...

Crap. I just looked at it. Does the sidebar lose style definition after the
login form for you? It does for me.

>are you *sure* you didn't munge any HTML, or add any new 
>styles?  adding new styles or modifying the HTML very much at all 
>will break everything from the style changer to how it displays...

Absotively sure. I used your table exactly as you had it set up. I'll have
to look at it again to see what I did. It must be a cascade problem from the
style sheet.

Thanks for checking, Adrian.


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